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[BCBUDS]

All I can say is "Why are the first two potential relationships I face in the game GAY?"
Seriously. The freaking dwarf rogue, and Anders? Both totally limp wristed and here I am hunting for the trophy by pinning some broad and going all the "way" for that PS3 trophy, and I'm forced into homosexual conversation. It's one thing to be gay, but forcing it on others, and advertising it is way out to lunch. I mean, do I throw on my man pants every day, puff my chest out and scream to the world about how straight I am?. No.. I just have a normal day. I don't feel the urge to flaunt around the fact that I'm straight and then cry about it because no one cares.
If you're gay, no one cares!. Go about your life and be gay, but using gay for attention blows my mind. Again why are the relationship choices early on in game homosexual natured?. I don't know and only the Devs have an answer but thanks to it I'm already losing appeal on the game, and secondly, the bug that now forces me to go back 5 hours worth of gameplay where I can't loot a body until AFTER she's done talking just makes this already not fun. I had higher expectations of DA 2. Epic Fail sadly.
DA3 should go MMORPG or simply go home.
Most people are straight, some are gay, but really at least make it an option what sex you can choose to have relationships with in game, and don't force the "gay" on people who have genes that define straight.
Especially without some straight action to choose from.

Apart from that have a happy gay day to those of you who choose to love their own sex.

Modifié par BCBUDS, 23 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[Tomkay]

yea, you can't let them down gently or just be netural or something. maybe let you just walk away. haha, Its weird how many gay options there are in this game. Im not a homophobe, but Im just taken back a little. I never been hit on by a gay video game character before. lol. I guess the gay culture is making it self known these days. times are changing I guess.

[Crossroads_Wanderer]

BCBUDS wrote...

All I can say is "Why are the first two potential relationships I face in the game GAY?"
Seriously. The freaking dwarf rogue, and Anders?

Varric (the dwarf) isn't a potential relationship and he really doesn't seem gay to me. I admit that my gaydar has been pretty spotty in the past, but he acts pretty much like every other fictional bard (except cooler) and bards get lots of ladies.

[Sen4lifE]

BCBUDS wrote...

All I can say is "Why are the first two potential relationships I face in the game GAY?"
Seriously. The freaking dwarf rogue, and Anders? Both totally limp wristed and here I am hunting for the trophy by pinning some broad and going all the "way" for that PS3 trophy, and I'm forced into homosexual conversation. It's one thing to be gay, but forcing it on others, and advertising it is way out to lunch. I mean, do I throw on my man pants every day, puff my chest out and scream to the world about how straight I am?. No.. I just have a normal day. I don't feel the urge to flaunt around the fact that I'm straight and then cry about it because no one cares.
If you're gay, no one cares!. Go about your life and be gay, but using gay for attention blows my mind. Again why are the relationship choices early on in game homosexual natured?. I don't know and only the Devs have an answer but thanks to it I'm already losing appeal on the game, and secondly, the bug that now forces me to go back 5 hours worth of gameplay where I can't loot a body until AFTER she's done talking just makes this already not fun. I had higher expectations of DA 2. Epic Fail sadly.
DA3 should go MMORPG or simply go home.
Most people are straight, some are gay, but really at least make it an option what sex you can choose to have relationships with in game, and don't force the "gay" on people who have genes that define straight.
Especially without some straight action to choose from.

Apart from that have a happy gay day to those of you who choose to love their own sex.

This is part of my point.  It's a bad choice is dialogue option (though this post could have done without the controversial "gays are ragers" piece.)

For example, the male elf prostitute you have to talk to in order to complete a quest.  My opening comment was flirting with him, and I did not even get a conversation wheel to choose from and I know I have not been chronically flirting with men so the game should not instantly considering me gay/bi.  It should not even consider be straight.  Moments like those should be 100% up to the player, even if you act gay/bi/straight throughout the entire game.

It's really that the dialogue choices at some moments are just very lacking.   I understand there are 3 options you can cram on one side.  Then why not for Ander's dialogue at this moment would their not be a homophobic or rude option, an option to say you just want to be friends and an option to flirt?  Two options to flirt that give the exact same outcome is a waste of the 3 conversation spaces, and in my opinion, a considerable oversight.

[Old Silverbolt]

@ Sen4lifE

Most of the people in this thread seem to be partially getting your point or not getting it at all. Let me assure you that I understand and agree with your opinion wholeheartedly. Although I have a different take on it than you do. Here is how I see it:

Bioware has made a great career out of developing games in which millions of gamers can feel more immersed in the story because they are given the option to make decisions that reflect the decisions the gamers would actually make if they weren't just playing the character in the story but were genuinely living the story themselves as their character.

I enjoy pursuing the relationship aspect in Bioware games.

If you meet the requirements, there are 4 female companions in DAII. Aveline is a stuck-up snob who starts the game married (I would explain what happens later but this is a No Spoiler forum), Bethany is your sister (and this isn't Star Wars), Merrill is a emo cutter who has made a deal with basically the devil, and Isabela is a risque harlot whose appearance basically screams "do me and 'it' will fall off." So in other words, there is no female I would ever touch with a 32 and 1/2 foot pole.

I am not gay, nor do I have any intentions of ever playing a gay character in a game. However, if I was gay, the male companions in this game are: Anders, a misunderstood bad-boy with a soft side who is running from the law for doing what he thought was right; Fenris, An exotic elf with a dark past and a tragic life who seems detached and is basically begging for companionship; Sebastian, A Prince....a Prince....a *expletive deleted* *expletive deleted* mother *expletive deleted* full blown *expletive deleted* Prince. ; Varric, a sarcastic comedian who I can only assume is meant to appeal to women who like guys "with a sense of humor.' ; and Carver, our brother, who my wife described best as "he seems like he needs a hug."

Now go back and read the women.

Now read the men again.

Now convince me that the relationship aspect of this game was not geared towards women, or homos.

3 Women (inclusing a Satanist and a Streetwalker) versus 4 Men (including a Prince....a Prince....a *expletive deleted* *expletive deleted* mother *expletive deleted* full blown *expletive deleted* Prince).

Game over (straight) man, game over.

Modifié par Old Silverbolt, 23 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[Sen4lifE]

Old Silverbolt wrote...

@ Sen4lifE

Most of the people in this thread seem to be partially getting your point or not getting it at all. Let me assure you that I understand and agree with your opinion wholeheartedly. Although I have a different take on it than you do. Here is how I see it:

Bioware has made a great career out of developing games in which millions of gamers can feel more immersed in the story because they are given the option to make decisions that reflect the decisions the gamers would actually make if they weren't just playing the character in the story but were genuinely living the story themselves as their character.

I enjoy pursuing the relationship aspect in Bioware games.

If you meet the requirements, there are 4 female companions in DAII. Aveline is a stuck-up snob who starts the game married (I would explain what happens later but this is a No Spoiler forum), Bethany is your sister (and this isn't Star Wars), Merrill is a emo cutter who has made a deal with basically the devil, and Isabela is a risque harlot whose appearance basically screams "do me and 'it' will fall off." So in other words, there is no female I would ever touch with a 32 and 1/2 foot pole.

I am not gay, nor do I have any intentions of ever playing a gay character in a game. However, if I was gay, the male companions in this game are: Anders, a misunderstood bad-boy with a soft side who is running from the law for doing what he thought was right; Fenris, An exotic elf with a dark past and a tragic life who seems detached and is basically begging for companionship; Sebastian, A Prince....a Prince....a *expletive deleted* *expletive deleted* mother *expletive deleted* full blown *expletive deleted* Prince. ; Varric, a sarcastic comedian who I can only assume is meant to appeal to women who like guys "with a sense of humor.' ; and Carver, our brother, who my wife described best as "he seems like he needs a hug."

Now go back and read the women.

Now read the men again.

Now convince me that the relationship aspect of this game was not geared towards women, or homos.

3 Women (inclusing a Satanist and a Streetwalker) versus 4 Men (including a Prince....a Prince....a *expletive deleted* *expletive deleted* mother *expletive deleted* full blown *expletive deleted* Prince).

Game over (straight) man, game over.

Yes, it was very pathetic.  I see the point of Isabela, because some men just want a ****.  And maybe some people would like Merril's shy, naive attitude.  But making those the only two options was rather sad.

It was in a way like they were trying to be too specific with their personalities.

In DA:O, you got Morrigan, who could fullfill the **** role if you wanted (by ignoring going into "love" and just getting into the tent with her), or become a precious lover, who was also a heartless ****, but at key moments (like the way she had a real soft heart when people were locked up, and not just to mages, if you remember Sten) she could change with that.  You had a real influence on what she was in a way, so the game allowed you to find the person you wanted.  It's like they were generalized, in a good way.

Leliana could do the same for other purposes.  Though I don't know her well enough to say what. XD

I don't know if it's as much as they tried to hard to make this game ******-friendly, romanticize it for women or what it really seems like to me: they didn't give a ****.  I'm a huge BioWare fanboy, but I feel like they did not give a dragon's tail about the romances in this game, not in comparison to how they used to.

Then again, if they had taken a little longer than 18 months, this might be different.

It's things like this that put DA2 at about a 7/10 average, a 2-3 point difference (which can be a lot, mind you) from most of their games.  Why oh why didn't they just take their time?!

[AngelicMachinery]

Your disappointment is noted, please QQ less.

[BiowarEA]

I don't have a problem with individuals of the same gender hitting on you, so long as it fits the setting, which I guess in the case of DA 2 can be whatever Bioware wants. I remember that the brothel in DA: O served all kinds of sexual orientations, so in that case they're at least consistent.

I'm more annoyed that they retconned Anders from Awakenings, but with all the rushing in this game it's hardly even surprising.

The problem I have is with Bioware romances in general: they're awkward, detached from the plot, and obvious fan service. They exist for the sake of existing rather than to further the storytelling. It's no wonder people treat them like features.

And really, they need to ditch this "be gay or be square" approach to character relations. The way to prevent people feeling like the entire NPC is a loss if they don't fulfill the sexual orientation requirement is to introduce meaningful relations beyond romance. Some of Bioware's most popular characters weren't or at least didn't start off as romantic interests (ie Minsc, Edwin, Imoen, Jolie, Tali, Mordin, etc.) There's no point to building a character for romance if you can't make him/her/it interesting in the first place.

Take PS:T as a model. The romantic gestures are there. But the NPCs stand on their own with or without romance, and their relations with TNO are meaningful regardless of whether they engage in a romance with him.

That's good storytelling.

[Sen4lifE]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Your disappointment is noted, please QQ less.

Your trolling is noted, please >:@ less.

[AngelicMachinery]

Sen4lifE wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Your disappointment is noted, please QQ less.

Your trolling is noted, please >:@ less.

That's not really trolling, it's like... my oppinion man.

[Sen4lifE]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Your disappointment is noted, please QQ less.

Your trolling is noted, please >:@ less.

That's not really trolling, it's like... my oppinion man.

And it's off-topic, thus spam, thus trolling.  Then again, I guess I'm the hypocrit.  Fair game. xD

And again, this topic isn't being homophobic about being hit on by gays, it's the lack of choice you get at moments like those.  It seriously feels sometimes as if I don't get a choice in my character's sexuality.

[Nyuneko]

Guess they could always add in a question at the start of the game, asking your character's intended sexual preference... Though since the game isn't a dating sim, there would be those who'd argue if that is necessary, then of course there is those who may be offended by it for various moronic oversensitive reasons.

So, I guess... I am not adding much to the discussion.

[AngelicMachinery]

Sen4lifE wrote...


And it's off-topic, thus spam, thus trolling.  Then again, I guess I'm the hypocrit.  Fair game. xD

And again, this topic isn't being homophobic about being hit on by gays, it's the lack of choice you get at moments like those.  It seriously feels sometimes as if I don't get a choice in my character's sexuality.

I really don't think your main gripe here has anything to do with being hit on by a guy,  I think it would be similiar if isabella hit on you and she weighed in at over 3 tones,  and she duel weilded twinkies.

[Sen4lifE]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...


And it's off-topic, thus spam, thus trolling.  Then again, I guess I'm the hypocrit.  Fair game. xD

And again, this topic isn't being homophobic about being hit on by gays, it's the lack of choice you get at moments like those.  It seriously feels sometimes as if I don't get a choice in my character's sexuality.

I really don't think your main gripe here has anything to do with being hit on by a guy,  I think it would be similiar if isabella hit on you and she weighed in at over 3 tones,  and she duel weilded twinkies.

I don't see your relevance... wait, now that you mention it, Anders could use a diet.

If you must, re-read the OP and all my successing posts.  It's about dialogue option, not who it is with.

Do not make me get FacePalmBear out again..

[AngelicMachinery]

Sen4lifE wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...


And it's off-topic, thus spam, thus trolling.  Then again, I guess I'm the hypocrit.  Fair game. xD

And again, this topic isn't being homophobic about being hit on by gays, it's the lack of choice you get at moments like those.  It seriously feels sometimes as if I don't get a choice in my character's sexuality.

I really don't think your main gripe here has anything to do with being hit on by a guy,  I think it would be similiar if isabella hit on you and she weighed in at over 3 tones,  and she duel weilded twinkies.

I don't see your relevance... wait, now that you mention it, Anders could use a diet.

If you must, re-read the OP and all my successing posts.  It's about dialogue option, not who it is with.

Do not make me get FacePalmBear out again..

Are you really? It's difficult to tell,  I'm not entirely sure this topic would have arose if it was a female character that had been so forceful in her advances.  Though, I guess I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and vacate the thread.

[Sen4lifE]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...


And it's off-topic, thus spam, thus trolling.  Then again, I guess I'm the hypocrit.  Fair game. xD

And again, this topic isn't being homophobic about being hit on by gays, it's the lack of choice you get at moments like those.  It seriously feels sometimes as if I don't get a choice in my character's sexuality.

I really don't think your main gripe here has anything to do with being hit on by a guy,  I think it would be similiar if isabella hit on you and she weighed in at over 3 tones,  and she duel weilded twinkies.

I don't see your relevance... wait, now that you mention it, Anders could use a diet.

If you must, re-read the OP and all my successing posts.  It's about dialogue option, not who it is with.

Do not make me get FacePalmBear out again..

Are you really? It's difficult to tell,  I'm not entirely sure this topic would have arose if it was a female character that had been so forceful in her advances.  Though, I guess I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and vacate the thread.

.. are you illiterate?  Really, I can't tell if you're just trying to intentionally be a troll or if you are just that stupid.

If you must, re-read the OP and all my successing posts.  It's about dialogue option, not who it is with.

Let me repeat this again, so you understand.

If you must, re-read the OP and all my successing posts.  It's about dialogue option, not who it is with.

Let me repeat this again, so you understand.

If you must, re-read the OP and all my successing posts.  It's about dialogue option, not who it is with.

Let me repeat this again, so you understand.

If you must, re-read the OP and all my successing posts.  It's about dialogue option, not who it is with.

Do you understand? No?

If you must, re-read the OP and all my successing posts.  It's about dialogue option, not who it is with.

Oh well, I've lost hope.


Compare "It's about dialogue option" to "...character that had been forceful..."  Is there relevance? No, there is not.  If you do not find yourself able to seperate those two aspects of virtual conversation, then this entire thread is lost to you.

My speculation and focus is on the end-user's options of what responses they have at their disposal.  Your accusation is on what said character was doing.

For the [insertcounthere] time, this is not what I am talking about.

I am talking about the poor choice of availability to the player in response to this situation.  It gives you a very "one or the other" option.  Two options with the same effect, effectively wasting a slot they could allocate to something such as, "I just want to be friends."  This they have with the other encounters.

To your question: I do not have this problem with the female characters.  Why?  Because when I talk to the female characters, the option, "I just want to be your friend" is selectable.

It's not just this case that has bothered me, it was just the one that finally made me rage.


Now that I have elaborated to the very, very best of my ability, do you think you can understand?  Catch up with the big kids.

-PS: To imply that my only frustation with this scenario is because it is a homosexual encounter and implying I would not be if it was not to indirectly call me discrimitive is discrimitive in that if I was a homosexual making this complaint you would not as it would be more difficult for me to be homophobic and you would not assume so.

Hypocracy is not logic's friend.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 23 mars 2011 - 04:11 .

[BiowarEA]

Children! Stop this bickering!  

[Sen4lifE]

BiowarEA wrote...

Children! Stop this bickering!  

Yes, Mother. D:

[Crossroads_Wanderer]

Old Silverbolt wrote...

<snip>

I am not gay, nor do I have any intentions of ever playing a gay character in a game. However, if I was gay, the male companions in this game are: Anders, a misunderstood bad-boy with a soft side who is running from the law for doing what he thought was right; Fenris, An exotic elf with a dark past and a tragic life who seems detached and is basically begging for companionship; Sebastian, A Prince....a Prince....a *expletive deleted* *expletive deleted* mother *expletive deleted* full blown *expletive deleted* Prince. ; Varric, a sarcastic comedian who I can only assume is meant to appeal to women who like guys "with a sense of humor.' ; and Carver, our brother, who my wife described best as "he seems like he needs a hug."

Now go back and read the women.

Now read the men again.

Now convince me that the relationship aspect of this game was not geared towards women, or homos.

3 Women (inclusing a Satanist and a Streetwalker) versus 4 Men (including a Prince....a Prince....a *expletive deleted* *expletive deleted* mother *expletive deleted* full blown *expletive deleted* Prince).

Game over (straight) man, game over.

Your post and my response are basically going to be way off-topic, but here goes:

Really? You think that that selection is going to make all the women happy? Sebastian is way too religious, and being a prince isn't really a turn-on. Frankly, it's an overplayed romance stereotype. Fenris is way too broody. If you think that that appeals to the average woman, again, you're relying too heavily on stereotypes. Even if Carver wasn't Hawke's brother, he is still totally obnoxious. Anders is...okay. He isn't exactly a happy character, and he's kinda moody. Not really ideal. Varric would have been the most appealing romance, if he could be romanced. I think Avaline and Varric were the best of the companions, but neither was available as a romance option, so, by my judgement, I'd say that every orientation got the short end of the stick.

I think they intentionally chose flawed characters for romance options, though. And I think that the male LIs' flaws were worse than the female LIs' flaws, but that may just be from my perspective as someone interested in men. I think you aren't considering things in a balanced way when you complain about the guys getting it worse. Everyone got LIs with major personality issues.

[Aeducan Himself]

Okay, so Anders I can maybe understand. But why are people complaining about Fenris? I just finished the game and Fenris never hit on me once.

[Sabariel]

Just use the heart option in the "sarcastic/witty" (middle) spot when Anders first hits on you. I tried it out as a dude, no rivalry points, and no "ghey" relationship happened. Problem solved.

Modifié par Sabariel, 23 mars 2011 - 05:39 .

[KealaFerret]

I personally am lovin' that Anders hit on my male Hawke... :: snicker ::

Conversely, my husband has been making jokes since hitting that first major conversation last night: "Anders is trying to show me his mage staff!" It came on strongly enough that he noticed (great morning commute topic, I tell you). However, my husband did not rise to the "bait", and got the same number of approval points that I did for the same conversation. So it doesn't look like you get penalized for it, if you choose the right options. :: shrug ::

I can agree he comes on a bit strong, but at the same time, well.... my husband was massively hit on this last weekend by a guy who was really pestering him (friendly, of course) to go out and have a drink with him, and telling him how hot his kilt was. My husband rolled with it and probably made some comment about getting home to his wife. Sometimes people just rush in like that. Sometimes someone brings something out of nowhere and you're like "whoa wait wut?" And that goes for lots of things (ever meet that person that you meet for the first time and they tell you every detail about their rotten childhood, and you wonder "uh, you don't even know if I give a darn yet, wtf"?).

[Dark83]

Sen4lifE wrote...

It's really that the dialogue choices at some moments are just very lacking.   I understand there are 3 options you can cram on one side.  Then why not for Ander's dialogue at this moment would their not be a homophobic or rude option, an option to say you just want to be friends and an option to flirt?  Two options to flirt that give the exact same outcome is a waste of the 3 conversation spaces, and in my opinion, a considerable oversight.

I agree with this, and not just for Anders. I heard there was a bug in the ending over who you leave with, so I intend to only romance one companion exclusively. I find that sometimes there's no gentle let down.

Preferrably, for Ander's initial dialog, there should be :
1. Flirt
2. "Sorry, I'm not interested in you like that, can't we just talk?"
3. "Ewie ewie no ******!"

As it is, the only non-flirt response "I'd like to keep this professional" shuts down the conversation entirely. Hello? I'd like to keep it professional, yes... and ask you about that spirit that makes you kill people. Jeez.

Fenris is much easier in this regard - I can avoid flirting with him and still keep the conversation going. The options with Anders is just...

Edit: I'd like to highlight that I'm talking about his FIRST conversation - which you can have with him immediately after recruitment, as you're in his clinic upon completion of Tranquility. Not the automatic one that ends the quest. In this first conversation you initiate, the response is 1. Flirt, 2. Flirt, 3. "I'd like to keep this professional." Which shuts down the conversation. There's no "let's be friends" option.

Sabariel wrote...

Just use the heart option in the
"sarcastic/witty" (middle) spot when Anders first hits on you. I tried
it out as a dude, no rivalry points, and no "ghey" relationship
happened. Problem solved.

I did this initially on my first playthrough, but that still sets (to my understanding) the romance flag as active, even if you no longer persue him, until you find a dialog tree to Reject him.

Modifié par Dark83, 23 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[jweath]

Actually it seems more like this.
1. Untouchable Aveline/Varric the most normal campions
2. Goth Fenris/Merill
3. Good boy Sebastian no counterpoint since he is DLC
4. Bad girl/boy with a soft spot Isabella/Anders.

Not my favorite choices but balanced with stereotypical characters on each side or should I say both ways? So if you don't have DLC or you are not playing a woman, it is broody goth/satan worship type or cheesy romance novel/movie bad boy/girl. Pretty limited choices regardless of sex or orientation. Couldn't they just a well mannered young woman chantry woman who has threesomes and ties you up behind closed doors? Part of that was Leiliana. Really why not one more stereotype thrown in?

Come on wouldn't Sebastian be a little more interesting if he had a paddle with Andraste written on it that only comes out in a relationship or if you could harden him and have a threesome with Isabella? After which he is not available for the next half story segment while he says confession and works out his penance? Or even better breaks up with you because you talked him into doing unnatural things so he leaves the party all together to atone and get away from your corrupting influence. jk.

To pharaphrase Eric Cartmen "This game has warped my fragile little mind." 

Modifié par jweath, 23 mars 2011 - 08:13 .

[Old Silverbolt]

Crossroads_Wanderer wrote...

Your post and my response are basically going to be way off-topic, but here goes:

Really? You think that that selection is going to make all the women happy? Sebastian is way too religious, and being a prince isn't really a turn-on. Frankly, it's an overplayed romance stereotype. Fenris is way too broody. If you think that that appeals to the average woman, again, you're relying too heavily on stereotypes. Even if Carver wasn't Hawke's brother, he is still totally obnoxious. Anders is...okay. He isn't exactly a happy character, and he's kinda moody. Not really ideal. Varric would have been the most appealing romance, if he could be romanced. I think Avaline and Varric were the best of the companions, but neither was available as a romance option, so, by my judgement, I'd say that every orientation got the short end of the stick.

I think they intentionally chose flawed characters for romance options, though. And I think that the male LIs' flaws were worse than the female LIs' flaws, but that may just be from my perspective as someone interested in men. I think you aren't considering things in a balanced way when you complain about the guys getting it worse. Everyone got LIs with major personality issues.

While I can completely understand how my post initally seems as though it is off-topic, it isn't. Let me clarify. Sen4lifE created this thread (I assume) to share/discuss his evidence that Dragon Age II does not allow a gamer to experience the same quality of choices that they did in previous games. His example was poorly developed dialog options with potential LI's. My example was the choice of LI's as a whole.

The point is still the same. We love Bioware games, and this one let us down for the reasons we expressed.

I would like to note that I appreciate your perspective on the relationships. I am not a woman or a homosexual, so I cannot speak with any authority on whether the Male LI's were any more appealing. What I can say, is that you both missed my point and nailed it on the head at the same time. Many of the male LI's were (as you so accurately described) "overplayed romance stereotypes." The only aspect of any of the female LI's that could even remotely be considered appealing is the streetwalker-esque personality of Isabela that would appeal to shallow sex-driven men (which thankfully is not a stereotype). For the record, Merrill's demonic pact thoroughly overpowers the "innocent/shy" persona that Bioware was apparently going for.

What I am saying is that the LI's were not balanced. If the female LI's fit into "overplayed romance stereotypes", there would have been a "hard-to-get" valley girl cheerleader and a nerdy shy self-berating geek...oh wait....thats ME2. Simply put, as you believe that the male LI's flaws were worse than the female LI's flaws, I simply believe the opposite. We are both entitled to our opinion.

Overall, It doesn't matter whose opinion we go with, the shared conclusion is that neither of us had the choice of a LI which we would have genuinely attempted to develop a relatioship with, if we were immercing outselves in the game (as was possible in some previous Bioware titles.) This resulted in a detached feeling, which did not need to exist and would have made the game and the story a better experience by its absense.

I think am with Sen4lifE in that we both believe the choices should have been better developed, or at the very least that there should have been more of them.

Modifié par Old Silverbolt, 23 mars 2011 - 09:01 .