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[orpheus333]

Its not a choice you insensitive clod.

[Qutayba]

If I understand the OP's point, he's less upset about there being gay options and the rivalry/friendship hit (though that seems to be part of it, too) than the role-playing choice between gay/polite and straight/rude, neither of which were completely positive for the OP. If that's the case, it's very much in keeping with the choices in both Dragon Age stories: you're forced to decide which of the evils will be lesser in the mind of your PC. In my opinion, that just makes it much more interesting than a simple good guy vs. bad guy choice. There were times when I felt railroaded into having to choose one of two horrific options when I could conceive of other possible solutions (the endings to Merrill's story upset me). But in the end, those choices added more dramatic impact to the flow of the story.  At least in this case, neither outcome is all that horrific compared to what happens to Merrill.

By the way, if you decide to stick with the choice of romancing Anders, it give an extra sense of despair and tragedy at the end of the story, if you like that sort of thing.

Modifié par Qutayba, 24 mars 2011 - 09:50 .

[Nerdage]

andyr1986 wrote...

Its not a choice you insensitive clod.

In-game, dear.

It's not hard to max Anders' friendship after taking the rivalry from turning him down, but an option to turn him down without having to take the "F you!" option might be nice. Maybe:
1) Flirt
2) Decline politely
3) "F you!"

[Sabariel]

Klimy wrote...

I was nice to Anders and that ****** forced a kiss on me. I had no option to tell him to stand back, or did I miss anything?
If that's they way game plays, at least I should have gotten a choice to punch him in the face after that. I'm nice to my friends (IRL) but if any of them will try to kiss me, then I will brake their nose. 

Did you miss anything? Yes. Beyond the first "neutral heart", do not pick any more of the glowing heart options.

[ScotGaymer]

Klimy wrote...

I was nice to Anders and that ****** forced a kiss on me. I had no option to tell him to stand back, or did I miss anything?
If that's they way game plays, at least I should have gotten a choice to punch him in the face after that. I'm nice to my friends (IRL) but if any of them will try to kiss me, then I will brake their nose. 

There was no need for you to resort to a derogatory slur to express your distaste with Anders hitting on your ManHawke. None whatsoever.

Many have come in and expressed it without resorting to being offensive and actively homophobic.

I didnt report passive/unintentional homophobia. But given my annoyed rant about the homophobic idiots on this forum surely you had to KNOW you would get reported for this.

Totally wont put up with it. Reported.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 24 mars 2011 - 06:21 .

[Old Silverbolt]

I feel the need to speak up and say that all this nonsense about using the console to fix everything should be stricken from the discussion. It is not a solution, nor even an alternative in any what shape or form. A relatively decent percentage of the people playing this game (including myself) have no console window because were not playing on the pc. Therefore, any reference to the console window or its use immediately renders any point that was trying to be made null/mute/void.

[Old Silverbolt]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Klimy wrote...

I was nice to Anders and that ****** forced a kiss on me. I had no option to tell him to stand back, or did I miss anything?
If that's they way game plays, at least I should have gotten a choice to punch him in the face after that. I'm nice to my friends (IRL) but if any of them will try to kiss me, then I will brake their nose. 

There was no need for you to resort to a derogatory slur to express your distaste with Anders hitting on your ManHawke. None whatsoever.

Many have come in and expressed it without resorting to being offensive and actively homophobic.

I didnt report passive/unintentional homophobia. But given my annoyed rant about the homophobic idiots on this forum surely you had to KNOW you would get reported for this.

Totally wont put up with it. Reported.

Oh shut up...... Everyone is entitled to like and dislike whatever and whomever they please. It's freedom of opinion and expression. He wasn't even being derogatory, nor was his comment sardonic, he was stating a fact (Anders actions at that given time were inarguably homosexual in nature and in meaning, and were intended to be understood as such)...you are simply overly defensive. I find your defensiveness offensive, you have just been reported.

Modifié par Old Silverbolt, 24 mars 2011 - 06:35 .

[Laurelinde]

Old Silverbolt wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Klimy wrote...

I was nice to Anders and that ****** forced a kiss on me. I had no option to tell him to stand back, or did I miss anything?
If that's they way game plays, at least I should have gotten a choice to punch him in the face after that. I'm nice to my friends (IRL) but if any of them will try to kiss me, then I will brake their nose. 

There was no need for you to resort to a derogatory slur to express your distaste with Anders hitting on your ManHawke. None whatsoever.

Many have come in and expressed it without resorting to being offensive and actively homophobic.

I didnt report passive/unintentional homophobia. But given my annoyed rant about the homophobic idiots on this forum surely you had to KNOW you would get reported for this.

Totally wont put up with it. Reported.

Oh shut up...... Everyone is entitled to like and dislike whatever and whomever they please. It's freedom of opinion and expression. He wasn't even being derogatory, nor was his comment sardonic, he was stating a fact (Anders actions at that given time were inarguably homosexual in nature and in meaning, and were intended to be understood as such)...you are simply overly defensive. I find your defensiveness offensive, you have just been reported.

Um, no, he's right actually.  Calling someone "******" in that way is hate speech, simple as.  Granted it is a character and not a real person;  but it would not be acceptable, for example, to say in respect of Duncan, "that [n-word] forced me to become a Grey Warden", so why would this be any different?

No one is making you, or your characters be gay, and you can feel it's immoral all you want, but that doesn't mean you can use nasty slurs on the forums or IRL.

[gingerbill]

Nimpe wrote...

You don't have to be gay. But Anders is gay, and he hits on you. It's realistic. Everyone isn't going to wait for you to get romantic.

And if you flirt with someone you like, and they deny it, you're going to feel upset.

maybe when your a kid at school you act like this hehe . So a gay person willl always flirt with any guy they meet and then get annoyed when they turn them down ?, errrr no.

i agree with the OP .

[gingerbill]

Dark83 wrote...

lobi wrote...

You are roleplaying your player char not the NPC. News flash not everything Anders says is an attempt to get you into bed Gendercop.

You (and a few others) have missed the point even still.

We don't care about what Anders says, or his reaction. We're talking about the player character. We're talking about OUR dialog options, not how the NPC reacts. What we care about is what WE say. Homosexuality is also irrelevant - just look at it from a lesbian Hawke's point of view.

The point was that we get Flirt/Flirt/Rejection, instead of Flirt/Friend/Rejection.

If a guy came and said he liked me, I'd be more inclined to say "Sorry man, I'm flattered but I don't swing that way" as opposed to "Dude! Don't think of me like that!" As it is, there's no middle ground in Hawke's response in that dialog. It's either Flirt/Flirt or a really cold cut off. You can't even try to be just friends.

good post and exactly the point trying to be made.

Modifié par gingerbill, 24 mars 2011 - 08:14 .

[Guaicow]

it's funny, ppl want to have full bluebar with a gay character and expects the bloke not to hit on you

[lobi]

Guaicow wrote...

it's funny, ppl want to have full bluebar with a gay character and expects the bloke not to hit on you

THIS

[lobi]

randallman wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...


Justice is the one thats gay, he's the one that was in a man in Awakenings afterall.  kidding.

honestly, i think it has a little bit to do with Bioware filling in the gay relationship demand. Overall, there isnt much choice in LIs, I kind of wish there were non companion LIs but alas only people who fight are the only ones worthy of love.

Firstly, Im no homophobe.  I've got friends who are openly gay, though none who are 'bi' that I am aware of.

Secondly, allow me to repeat this statistic again.  Exit polls in the 2008 US election indicated just over 4% of the US Population was openly gay.  If that number were double (adjusting for people who didn't want to admit it), it would be 8%.  Surely not a large enough % of the population to make half of the potential romantic encounters in a video game gay-centric.

Sorry, I'm not buying it...

--Randall

Your arguement is invalid.
Considering the State  legislative and Tax penalties for married gay couples as opposed to defacto hetro couples it is not surprising gay couples do not out themselves to the Govt. You do not have to be gay in the game but you do have to interact with gay/bi people at least once.
Also Isabella looks like she's had the op, sorrry guise (magic remember)

[ScotGaymer]

Old Silverbolt wrote...

Oh shut up...... Everyone is entitled to like and dislike whatever and whomever they please. It's freedom of opinion and expression. He wasn't even being derogatory, nor was his comment sardonic, he was stating a fact (Anders actions at that given time were inarguably homosexual in nature and in meaning, and were intended to be understood as such)...you are simply overly defensive. I find your defensiveness offensive, you have just been reported.

I don't know why I am bothering to reply to you because you are clearly an idiot who has no concept of what its like to be treated with disdain, dislike, or outright hatred simply because of an accident of birth.

He was being derogatory for no reason other than to display his homophobia. Its morally wrong, and more importantly against the Bioware Social Network terms of use.

Yes people are entitled to like and or dislike whatever or whomever they please. If it was a simple expression of his dislike of Anders along the lines of "Anders is a pushy backstabbing ass and i HATE him!" then I wouldnt have minded.
But he isnt and wasnt hating on Anders for being pushy or cowardly or backstabbing. He wasnt hating on him for his actions or the type of person he is. He was hating on him for being "gay" or in his own words "that ******". And for daring to hit on his ManlyManManHawke. Thats Derogatory and Homophobic and isnt a simple expression of dislike.

I do hope you get banned for Abusing the Report Button.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 24 mars 2011 - 10:23 .

[Oloos]

Erm guys... Did you know you did'nt HAVE to be full friendship with any character right ? Did you even know that the rivalry path is as valid as the friendship one ? And that you can have a full friendship bar with any character in act 2 even after gain about 20/30 rivalry points ?

You people are depressing... Making a huge thing of a tiny ridiculous thing absolutely not game-breaking... (moreover, Anders is a pain in the ***, so be a jerk with him as much as you want, not a problem)

[Blue Face Beast]

Anders is Anders. He is what he is. If you do not like how he approaches your Hawke then you have plenty of opportunities to tell him to go to hell. If however you are worried you might need him later then you have to be more diplomatic and careful. That's what a CHOICE is.

Either way the story will unfold and it will all work out one way or another. Too bad for you if this powerful mage is not what you want him to be, deal with it. Or don't. And see what happens.

A pissed off rival Anders is as good as a friendly Anders. Just answer whatever you want to him and see what happens. Really.

[AntiGrav1ty]

Have to agree with op. I felt like I was forced into homosexual relationships when i played da2.
They shouldn't have made just about anyone gay and romancable. Can't have a freakin normal conversation without hittin on someone, even from the same sex.

[rabidhanar]

It is not about the rivalry/friendship bar...
It is more in the tune of the fact that he could not be friendly without picking a romance option.
It was a pick romance/romance/breakheart option set.
There was no friendly, no I do not swing that way, but i still want to be friends option.

The easiest way to handle this was to have Hawke be the one to initiate the romance on all options anyway. If I was Anders I would not let my heart out like that without truly knowing the person I want the relationship with. I would not throw such a big potential wrench in the works by announcing that I am physically attracted to someone after only meeting him/her a few days/hours ago. Even if I am attracted to a person, I am damn sure to know that we could potentially become a couple before expressing it. Fenris has this, so does Merril. Why, god forbid, the other characters would not be so open about it. (perhaps without the very "special" Isabella, im not sure if it would work with her character stereotype)

And this rant about homophobia is getting rediculous.
homophobic or homophillic who really cares people. I am hetero you are ******, describes the most likely relationship type/your preference. it's no insult (unless used in a negative connotation), it is just a term to describe the current situation of an individuals experience.

EDIT: Shavon, he feels forced because Anders initiates the romance plot, the player can choose not to continue it but Anders does indeed state that he wants to get in Hawke's pants.

Modifié par rabidhanar, 24 mars 2011 - 11:16 .

[lobi]

Absolutly no one is a 'Nice guy" 24-7 Telling someone you are not interested in no uncertain terms immediatly is not rude by any stretch of the imagination. "Not interested in your weird personal habits I just need those maps" Is straight talk not meaness. Face it, Anders personal life which includes being possesed and being a Fanatical Mage Freedom rebel (escaped from the most liberal Circle outside of Tevinter) is just freaking weird.
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I still went for it second play through for a threesome with Anders and Justice. Just wanted some fun and kicked him to the kurb for someone I was full rival with, who was also a freak. So their ass was out the door immediatly after the sex. Spent the rest of the game wishing the Blooming rose was more like the pearl. I miss my Transgender Dwarf. Theres the spoiler there are no Transgender Dwarfs. $60 and can't even,...mumble mumble mumble.

[DragonAddict]

Being gay, lesbian or whatever the modern terms are is partially choice and always will be. We have moral free will and can do whatever we wish, there is no gun to our heads. Just because you think it or feel it, doesn't mean you have to do it, its all choice. Homophobia is a modern term to all who don't support or agree with homosexuality. Basically, support it or you're bad. Last time I checked we live in a free democratic country and we have the right to live our lives in peace with no one telling us what to do. If some disagree with homosexuality, peacefully mind you, then let them and shut up already. And someone's sexual choice or whatever it is, is a private matter and not a public one and should remain that way.

And just like in real life, DAO and DA2'c characters have that choice built into them. I wasn't offended about Anders, I just chose not to persue a realationship with him, no big deal. I think the way these games were programmed was cool and reflects the modern world.

Modifié par DragonAddict, 25 mars 2011 - 03:51 .

[jess_chapman]

I agree with this post because:

-This a fantasy game, not real life, so we don't have to make "realistic"
-It makes me uncomfortable when I have npcs of the same sex hitting on me in a game... 
-In Origins I don't remember any npcs initiating flirting like that conversation with Anders in this game.  If YOU want to flirt with a character of the same sex and initiate it by YOUR dialogue choices, fine, whatever.  But I don't want to even deal with dudes trying to come on to me in a game.  Seriously. 

[Kusy]

I love how people go on raging about how if someone hits on you and you reject they get mad. Yeah, they do. In real life. In games it's ducking annoying when simple decisions duck up your gameplay.

It's not called realism people, it's called bad dialogue desing. And if something managed to frustrate so many players it means it is bad for the gameplay. End of story. You get punished by the game because you don't fancy boys and that's how the game is... nomather how much ammount of your pseudo-pro-LGBT-BioWareFanboy bullpoop you put in it, it won't change that fact.