DragonAddict wrote...
And someone's sexual choice or whatever it is, is a private matter and not a public one and should remain that way.
Modifié par lobi, 25 mars 2011 - 04:30 .
Mr.Kusy wrote...
I love how people go on raging about how if someone hits on you and you reject they get mad. Yeah, they do. In real life. In games it's ducking annoying when simple decisions duck up your gameplay.
It's not called realism people, it's called bad dialogue desing. And if something managed to frustrate so many players it means it is bad for the gameplay. End of story. You get punished by the game because you don't fancy boys and that's how the game is... nomather how much ammount of your pseudo-pro-LGBT-BioWareFanboy bullpoop you put in it, it won't change that fact.
Ryzaki wrote...
Mr.Kusy wrote...
I love how people go on raging about how if someone hits on you and you reject they get mad. Yeah, they do. In real life. In games it's ducking annoying when simple decisions duck up your gameplay.
It's not called realism people, it's called bad dialogue desing. And if something managed to frustrate so many players it means it is bad for the gameplay. End of story. You get punished by the game because you don't fancy boys and that's how the game is... nomather how much ammount of your pseudo-pro-LGBT-BioWareFanboy bullpoop you put in it, it won't change that fact.
Yes for shame this happens to FemHawke's as well.
How discriminated you poor male players are!
gingerbill wrote...
Dark83 wrote...
You (and a few others) have missed the point even still.lobi wrote...
You are roleplaying your player char not the NPC. News flash not everything Anders says is an attempt to get you into bed Gendercop.
We don't care about what Anders says, or his reaction. We're talking about the player character. We're talking about OUR dialog options, not how the NPC reacts. What we care about is what WE say. Homosexuality is also irrelevant - just look at it from a lesbian Hawke's point of view.
The point was that we get Flirt/Flirt/Rejection, instead of Flirt/Friend/Rejection.
If a guy came and said he liked me, I'd be more inclined to say "Sorry man, I'm flattered but I don't swing that way" as opposed to "Dude! Don't think of me like that!" As it is, there's no middle ground in Hawke's response in that dialog. It's either Flirt/Flirt or a really cold cut off. You can't even try to be just friends.
good post and exactly the point trying to be made.
Sabariel wrote...
Just use the heart option in the "sarcastic/witty" (middle) spot when Anders first hits on you. I tried it out as a dude, no rivalry points, and no "ghey" relationship happened. Problem solved.
FitScotGaymer wrote...
tmp7704 wrote...
Yes, complaining that you can't be polite towards a gay person in game if you want to let them know you don't want to be hit on is certainly homophobic and idiotic.FitScotGaymer wrote...
Its not.
Its just a bunch of homophobic idiots who dont even realise how appalling homophobic they are being but coming on here and going "Anders touched me! Its sooo gaaaayyy! and Wrong! Make it stop!"
Well yes it is because you clearly arent paying attention or even reading whats been posted in this thread.
It is perfectly possibly to reject Anders without being a total douche; and its possibly to not reject him at all but to avoid the subject all together.
If you do not believe me go check the youtube videos for DA2 related to Anders. There are ones there showing how you DONT need to be a **** to Anders to say no to him.
This has been pointed out several times and yet you people ignore that and keep effing whinging about it.
So yes I think you (and people like you - ranty DA2 haters) are being idiotic and homophobic.
EDIT:
The only reason I haven't reported anyone in this thread or messaged a moderator about this thread is because I dont believe the homophobia is intentional.
Its a reactionary/reflexive kind of homophobia.
But just because it isnt outright deliberate doesnt make it any less prejudice and homophobic.
Modifié par Sen4lifE, 25 mars 2011 - 04:42 .
Dark83 wrote...
I agree with this, and not just for Anders. I heard there was a bug in the ending over who you leave with, so I intend to only romance one companion exclusively. I find that sometimes there's no gentle let down.Sen4lifE wrote...
It's really that the dialogue choices at some moments are just very lacking. I understand there are 3 options you can cram on one side. Then why not for Ander's dialogue at this moment would their not be a homophobic or rude option, an option to say you just want to be friends and an option to flirt? Two options to flirt that give the exact same outcome is a waste of the 3 conversation spaces, and in my opinion, a considerable oversight.
Preferrably, for Ander's initial dialog, there should be :
1. Flirt
2. "Sorry, I'm not interested in you like that, can't we just talk?"
3. "Ewie ewie no ******!"
As it is, the only non-flirt response "I'd like to keep this professional" shuts down the conversation entirely. Hello? I'd like to keep it professional, yes... and ask you about that spirit that makes you kill people. Jeez.
Fenris is much easier in this regard - I can avoid flirting with him and still keep the conversation going. The options with Anders is just...
Edit: I'd like to highlight that I'm talking about his FIRST conversation - which you can have with him immediately after recruitment, as you're in his clinic upon completion of Tranquility. Not the automatic one that ends the quest. In this first conversation you initiate, the response is 1. Flirt, 2. Flirt, 3. "I'd like to keep this professional." Which shuts down the conversation. There's no "let's be friends" option.Sabariel wrote...
Just use the heart option in the
"sarcastic/witty" (middle) spot when Anders first hits on you. I tried
it out as a dude, no rivalry points, and no "ghey" relationship
happened. Problem solved.
I did this initially on my first playthrough, but that still sets (to my understanding) the romance flag as active, even if you no longer persue him, until you find a dialog tree to Reject him.
lobi wrote...
Guaicow wrote...
it's funny, ppl want to have full bluebar with a gay character and expects the bloke not to hit on you
THIS
FitScotGaymer wrote...
Old Silverbolt wrote...
Oh shut up...... Everyone is entitled to like and dislike whatever and whomever they please. It's freedom of opinion and expression. He wasn't even being derogatory, nor was his comment sardonic, he was stating a fact (Anders actions at that given time were inarguably homosexual in nature and in meaning, and were intended to be understood as such)...you are simply overly defensive. I find your defensiveness offensive, you have just been reported.
I don't know why I am bothering to reply to you because you are clearly an idiot who has no concept of what its like to be treated with disdain, dislike, or outright hatred simply because of an accident of birth.
He was being derogatory for no reason other than to display his homophobia. Its morally wrong, and more importantly against the Bioware Social Network terms of use.
Yes people are entitled to like and or dislike whatever or whomever they please. If it was a simple expression of his dislike of Anders along the lines of "Anders is a pushy backstabbing ass and i HATE him!" then I wouldnt have minded.
But he isnt and wasnt hating on Anders for being pushy or cowardly or backstabbing. He wasnt hating on him for his actions or the type of person he is. He was hating on him for being "gay" or in his own words "that ******". And for daring to hit on his ManlyManManHawke. Thats Derogatory and Homophobic and isnt a simple expression of dislike.
I do hope you get banned for Abusing the Report Button.
lobi wrote...
As far as you knowSen4lifE wrote...
lobi wrote...
Nothing happens when I click the heart. /disappointment
OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...
Omg a charater in a video game is hitting on you but it's only not cool cause he's gay!!!!! You don't complain when isabela hits on you do ya? Means you actually can't stand gays but claim too for the appearance of neutrality.
Modifié par Sen4lifE, 25 mars 2011 - 05:46 .
lobi wrote...
As far as you knowSen4lifE wrote...
lobi wrote...
Nothing happens when I click the heart. /disappointment
Garak2 wrote...
A long time ago when the gay movement started they claimed that they would not be shoving their ideas down everyone's throats. Some people knew better since all movements reach that point.
So today we have a lot of people who think that a homosexual relationship should be treated as equal to a heterosexual one which is ridiculous because life is not created from homosexual relationships and no amount of political correctness will ever change that. Maybe science will one day but the day is not here yet.
Modifié par Sen4lifE, 25 mars 2011 - 06:06 .
Sen4lifE wrote...
Garak2 wrote...
A long time ago when the gay movement started they claimed that they would not be shoving their ideas down everyone's throats. Some people knew better since all movements reach that point.
So today we have a lot of people who think that a homosexual relationship should be treated as equal to a heterosexual one which is ridiculous because life is not created from homosexual relationships and no amount of political correctness will ever change that. Maybe science will one day but the day is not here yet.
Do not bring these kind of arguments into this thread or this forum. This is not a homosexual speculation thread. This forum serves the purpose to discuss things related to Dragon Age 2, not to detest homosexuality because life can not be created from it. It is not to detest homosexuality or wether or not heterosexuality makes you elite in comparison for any reason, and this thread is concerning dialogue choices presented to the player, not your personal opinion of homosexuality. If you would like to discuss that, I would suggest taking it out of BioWare.com entirely.
"Just say no nancyGarak2 wrote...
Sen4lifE wrote...
Garak2 wrote...
A long time ago when the gay movement started they claimed that they would not be shoving their ideas down everyone's throats. Some people knew better since all movements reach that point.
So today we have a lot of people who think that a homosexual relationship should be treated as equal to a heterosexual one which is ridiculous because life is not created from homosexual relationships and no amount of political correctness will ever change that. Maybe science will one day but the day is not here yet.
Do not bring these kind of arguments into this thread or this forum. This is not a homosexual speculation thread. This forum serves the purpose to discuss things related to Dragon Age 2, not to detest homosexuality because life can not be created from it. It is not to detest homosexuality or wether or not heterosexuality makes you elite in comparison for any reason, and this thread is concerning dialogue choices presented to the player, not your personal opinion of homosexuality. If you would like to discuss that, I would suggest taking it out of BioWare.com entirely.
Apparently DA2 is shoving it down players throats though. As usual though the Politically Correct position is ok to push but the opposite is not.
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Garak2 wrote...
Sen4lifE wrote...
Garak2 wrote...
A long time ago when the gay movement started they claimed that they would not be shoving their ideas down everyone's throats. Some people knew better since all movements reach that point.
So today we have a lot of people who think that a homosexual relationship should be treated as equal to a heterosexual one which is ridiculous because life is not created from homosexual relationships and no amount of political correctness will ever change that. Maybe science will one day but the day is not here yet.
Do not bring these kind of arguments into this thread or this forum. This is not a homosexual speculation thread. This forum serves the purpose to discuss things related to Dragon Age 2, not to detest homosexuality because life can not be created from it. It is not to detest homosexuality or wether or not heterosexuality makes you elite in comparison for any reason, and this thread is concerning dialogue choices presented to the player, not your personal opinion of homosexuality. If you would like to discuss that, I would suggest taking it out of BioWare.com entirely.
Apparently DA2 is shoving it down players throats though. As usual though the Politically Correct position is ok to push but the opposite is not.
Sen4lifE wrote...
Garak2 wrote...
Sen4lifE wrote...
Garak2 wrote...
A long time ago when the gay movement started they claimed that they would not be shoving their ideas down everyone's throats. Some people knew better since all movements reach that point.
So today we have a lot of people who think that a homosexual relationship should be treated as equal to a heterosexual one which is ridiculous because life is not created from homosexual relationships and no amount of political correctness will ever change that. Maybe science will one day but the day is not here yet.
Do not bring these kind of arguments into this thread or this forum. This is not a homosexual speculation thread. This forum serves the purpose to discuss things related to Dragon Age 2, not to detest homosexuality because life can not be created from it. It is not to detest homosexuality or wether or not heterosexuality makes you elite in comparison for any reason, and this thread is concerning dialogue choices presented to the player, not your personal opinion of homosexuality. If you would like to discuss that, I would suggest taking it out of BioWare.com entirely.
Apparently DA2 is shoving it down players throats though. As usual though the Politically Correct position is ok to push but the opposite is not.
However, your post was not relevant to dialogue option, the situation or even DA2 at all and was an argument on the right of sexual orientation. Whether or not you believe this to be an unalienable right or not is NOT a discussion that should be on this forum.
Garak2 wrote...
Sen4lifE wrote...
Garak2 wrote...
Sen4lifE wrote...
Garak2 wrote...
A long time ago when the gay movement started they claimed that they would not be shoving their ideas down everyone's throats. Some people knew better since all movements reach that point.
So today we have a lot of people who think that a homosexual relationship should be treated as equal to a heterosexual one which is ridiculous because life is not created from homosexual relationships and no amount of political correctness will ever change that. Maybe science will one day but the day is not here yet.
Do not bring these kind of arguments into this thread or this forum. This is not a homosexual speculation thread. This forum serves the purpose to discuss things related to Dragon Age 2, not to detest homosexuality because life can not be created from it. It is not to detest homosexuality or wether or not heterosexuality makes you elite in comparison for any reason, and this thread is concerning dialogue choices presented to the player, not your personal opinion of homosexuality. If you would like to discuss that, I would suggest taking it out of BioWare.com entirely.
Apparently DA2 is shoving it down players throats though. As usual though the Politically Correct position is ok to push but the opposite is not.
However, your post was not relevant to dialogue option, the situation or even DA2 at all and was an argument on the right of sexual orientation. Whether or not you believe this to be an unalienable right or not is NOT a discussion that should be on this forum.
First of all, the only reason this is being discussed at all (and I have read about this on two other sites so far) is because BioWare decided to push a political ideology.
Second, who the hell are you to be giving orders to other posters? You report me and get a mod to tell me that stuff and Ill be happy to comply but until you get MODERATOR under your name you need to back up.
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