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[Garak2]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

A long time ago when the gay movement started they claimed that they would not be shoving their ideas down everyone's throats. Some people knew better since all movements reach that point.

So today we have a lot of people who think that a homosexual relationship should be treated as equal to a heterosexual one which is ridiculous because life is not created from homosexual relationships and no amount of political correctness will ever change that. Maybe science will one day but the day is not here yet.

Do not bring these kind of arguments into this thread or this forum.  This is not a homosexual speculation thread. This forum serves the purpose to discuss things related to Dragon Age 2, not to detest homosexuality because life can not be created from it.  It is not to detest homosexuality or wether or not heterosexuality makes you elite in comparison for any reason, and this thread is concerning dialogue choices presented to the player, not your personal opinion of homosexuality. If you would like to discuss that, I would suggest taking it out of BioWare.com entirely.

Apparently DA2 is shoving it down players throats though. As usual though the Politically Correct position is ok to push but the opposite is not.

However, your post was not relevant to dialogue option, the situation or even DA2 at all and was an argument on the right of sexual orientation.  Whether or not you believe this to be an unalienable right or not is NOT a discussion that should be on this forum.

First of all, the only reason this is being discussed at all (and I have read about this on two other sites so far)  is because BioWare decided to push a political ideology.

Second, who the hell are you to be giving orders to other posters? You report me and get a mod to tell me that stuff and Ill be happy to comply but until you get MODERATOR under your name you need to back up.

Read the Terms of Use, that has authority.

...but you don't so back up.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I did read it so dont assume I didn't, you want too explore the charater without getting romantically involved witch you can without getting romantic, but you don't want anders too say anything flirty, but isabela is the same way witch really means you can't stand gay flirting witch means, you say you support gay dialogue and romances just for the appearance of neutrality......

[Paraxial]

Sen4lifE wrote...

 wether or not heterosexuality makes you elite in comparison for any reason

I hear heterosexuals get a special group membership and top hats when they join the straight federation. Also, why are we typing in funny colors?

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 25 mars 2011 - 06:34 .

[Sen4lifE]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

I did read it so dont assume I didn't, you want too explore the charater without getting romantically involved witch you can without getting romantic, but you don't want anders too say anything flirty, but isabela is the same way witch really means you can't stand gay flirting witch means, you say you support gay dialogue and romances just for the appearance of neutrality......

Evidentally you did not or you were not capable of understand.

And hypocracy is not logic's friend: if I were a homosexual, you would not detest my speculation on dialogue choice in this situation.

Works both ways, Bud.

Anyhow, if you actually took a moment to pay attention, you'd realize, as many others have (continue reading) that this thread is about the limited choice you get to response to characters.  This situation is just an example and in my opinion, one of the best as it gives you a very "one or the other" choice.

If I were detesting this because it is a homosexual encounter, why would I have implied I was okay with the encounter with Zevran?  Obviously, you need to recheck your argument, because it is not working, is it?

You need to either learn to read, or try to get a better grasp on the situation at hand.

I, like others, am upset about what options you actually get in this situation.  Did I ever mention that I think Ander's shouldn't hit on me or am upset because he did? No, I did not.  If you don't have evidence I did, then leave it at that.  And you do not, because I did not.

The problem is not being able to accept that he is gay, it's the exact opposite, if you'd bother reading the post.  It is that when presented with this situation, you can either be rude to him, in which he reacts aggressively because he feels that you are "trying to control his emotions."  It is either that, or you can flirt with him.  Out of the three options, 2 do the same, which is flirt, 1 rudely rejects him.  In most situations, even in this game, there would be 1 flirt option, one rude option and one option to say, "I just want to be friends."  Even if you got rivalry points for that, that wouldn't bother me near as much, because at least you got that option.

When talking to Isabela, you -DO- get that option.  So no, I don't have a problem with the time she hits on you, because the game DOES give you the option to ask to just be friends.

So, let's put the spotlight on you.  Why is it that in the heterosexual encounter I have the option to choose to just be friends, flirt or be rude but in the homosexual encounter I only have the option to flirt or be rude?

[Garak2]

Why is it that in the heterosexual encounter I have the option to choose to just be friends, flirt or be rude but in the homosexual encounter I only have the option to flirt or be rude?

because BW was trying to force you down the gay path?

[Sen4lifE]

Garak2 wrote...

Why is it that in the heterosexual encounter I have the option to choose to just be friends, flirt or be rude but in the homosexual encounter I only have the option to flirt or be rude?

because BW was trying to force you down the gay path?

Couldn't say that, because there was an option to just be a dick to him.  Now, if you said BioWare was forcing me to be homosexual or homophobic, in this instance, I'd agree.

[lobi]

Garak2 wrote...

Why is it that in the heterosexual encounter I have the option to choose to just be friends, flirt or be rude but in the homosexual encounter I only have the option to flirt or be rude?

because BW was trying to force you down the gay path?

Friends sometimes push. Just own it Garak.

[Garak2]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Why is it that in the heterosexual encounter I have the option to choose to just be friends, flirt or be rude but in the homosexual encounter I only have the option to flirt or be rude?

because BW was trying to force you down the gay path?

Couldn't say that, because there was an option to just be a dick to him.  Now, if you said BioWare was forcing me to be homosexual or homophobic, in this instance, I'd agree.

Well, with a choices like: 1) Be an **** or 2) Be gay....that's a no win and if you have spent the whole game being diplomatic then option 1 is no option at all.

[JamesMoriarty123]

See this is why I like Mass Effect. You can actually work up some brotherly camaradarie with the guys you're fighting alongside (kind of like the real world) without the terrible knowledge that they're all programmed to be gay/bi benders who will try and chat you up the first chance they get.

I'm all for having an explicitly gay character, but all this "oh, he's Bi" **** does my swede in. It's NOT how the real world is. I don't think I've met anyone in my life who is actually bisexual, and I know only a handful of guys who are gay.

Also as I mentioned before, as soon as you make them "Bi" you remove the "brothers-in-arms" angle because you can't get there without the inflection that the character wants you sexually, which, believe it or not, IS actually uncomfortable for a lot of straight people.And yes, you can be uncomfortable with it and NOT be a "homophobe". Once you gay peeps start flinging that term around you clearly lose any credibility.

Kettle. Pot. Black. Etc.

[lobi]

Diplomacy is not about blurring lines it's about setting firm boundarys for a negotiation.

[Garak2]

lobi wrote...

Diplomacy is not about blurring lines it's about setting firm boundarys for a negotiation.

Ok, let me rephrase.

If you spent the whole game NOT BEING RUDE then option 1 (which is to be rude) is no option at all.

[lobi]

Garak2 wrote...

lobi wrote...

Diplomacy is not about blurring lines it's about setting firm boundarys for a negotiation.

Ok, let me rephrase.

If you spent the whole game NOT BEING RUDE then option 1 (which is to be rude) is no option at all.

Straight talking is not being rude. The NPC reaction is overly emotional and that fuels the feeling of having been to harsh, when in fact all Hawk did was remove uncertainty in a responsable manner.

[Abispa]

Just go ahead and flirt with Anders anyway, man or woman. You don't have to sleep with him. After a while he'll BEG you to break off your courtship before he "hurts" you. Just tell him that he's right, you should break it off, and BAM! He's your best buddy with the "friendship" icon.

[Garak2]

Abispa wrote...

Just go ahead and flirt with Anders anyway, man or woman. You don't have to sleep with him. After a while he'll BEG you to break off your courtship before he "hurts" you. Just tell him that he's right, you should break it off, and BAM! He's your best buddy with the "friendship" icon.

In other words, take the gay path.

[Garak2]

lobi wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

lobi wrote...

Diplomacy is not about blurring lines it's about setting firm boundarys for a negotiation.

Ok, let me rephrase.

If you spent the whole game NOT BEING RUDE then option 1 (which is to be rude) is no option at all.

Straight talking is not being rude. The NPC reaction is overly emotional and that fuels the feeling of having been to harsh, when in fact all Hawk did was remove uncertainty in a responsable manner.

Explain that to the Friendship/Rivalry system.

[Spartansfan8888]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Why is it that in the heterosexual encounter I have the option to choose to just be friends, flirt or be rude but in the homosexual encounter I only have the option to flirt or be rude?

because BW was trying to force you down the gay path?

Couldn't say that, because there was an option to just be a dick to him.  Now, if you said BioWare was forcing me to be homosexual or homophobic, in this instance, I'd agree.

It's not a matter of ******/hetero sexuality in this case it's just the possible responses to what Anders says to you. Fenris says something about you being a "capable" during his first convo and you have a heart, broken heart, and neutral green choice icon to respond. With Anders it's heart, heart, broken heart. 

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Well if your soo upset about that why not just read the codex and not talk too him at all? Then he'll always be your good friend, and don't try too appear like the intelligent "in right you dont know what your talking about" when your so passionate about this your making stars swearing about this I was good friends with anders as a guy got too know humans he didn't flirt with me once....and I'll just keep posting too get you fired up because in the end your just a troll that likes too look politically correct infront of other readers because that's the only way you can type responses too your thread with snark comments and bias criticism.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

And before you remark on my spelling aswell I'm on my iPhone that try's spell checking every word I type....

[lobi]

You did not go there to get Anders you went there to get the item. Anders said to get the item you must do this for me in exchange. So Hawk does that thing that will bring scrutiny on his family from authoritys. Hawk more than completed his end of the bargain and wants his item. He is entitled to be a little annoyed with Anders. I wanted the Murder Knife as soon as I found out about the passenger but didnt have that option. The guy led you into danger, turned into a monster, murders and now he wants to be buddys? What nice guy wants to be around someone like that?
You can start on the wrong foot in any relationship. No one gets on with everyone not even in my little pony cartoons. If you think you may need him go back later and apologise if you feel the need and have a reasonable conversation.

Modifié par lobi, 25 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[lobi]

spoilered so removed.

Modifié par lobi, 25 mars 2011 - 07:51 .

[lobi]

If you get rivalry from Anders solution.
During deep roads you talk to Sandals dad a second time and he tells you a nug ran off with a amulet. You go to where the nugs are and search them. The nug with the amulet is in a side cavern, you will know its him when Varrick yells "He dropped the Amulet!" then quickly save the game reload and click on the nug for friendship points.

[Nyx]

Personally, I don't think this has anything to do with sexuality, but rather the type of character we're interacting with. Female Hawkes are presented with nearly the same set of choices -- i.e, they don't get to "reject" Anders without earning rivalry points. If you select most of the "charming" options, the least amount of rivalry you can earn is 5.

This automatic dislike isn't that different from Fenris' rivalry (5-20+) when encountering MageHawke. No matter how diplomatic, neutral, etc. MageHawke acts, (s)he will still gain rivalry points in the first meeting. While I would have prefered Fenris not to antagonize someone who just saved his hide, it suits his personality.

We don't get a choice in that situation either. Fenris simply harbors a deep hatred of anything magical. Just as Anders is prone to admiring, and even falling in love, with those who share his philosophy. He states a few times in the beginning that he's surprised if Hawke is supportive of Mages, because of the general negative responses. It's not really farfetched for someone who is utterly devoted to their cause, to feel a (albeit oneside) kinship with a person who shares their beliefs.

That, and if you're a mage-supporting Hawke, it's extremely easy to rack up friendship points with Anders. No harm done. First impressions aren't everything.

[nicethugbert]

You do get to let Anders down easy. He just doesn't take it that way. He doesn't believe in compromise as he made extremely explicit in the end. That's the way he is.

I wouldn't say BW is making me gay just because Anders doesn't take rejection very well.

Now you're all bent out of shape about it because you're straight and Anders is bi or gay. But it's not like he follows you around and humps your leg all the time. Dog is the one you have to watch out for.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 25 mars 2011 - 09:26 .

[0x30A88]

Isn't the question mentioned (Anders) followed by a question where you actually decide it? At least it's so for LadyHawke when Anders ask this question. Let's not forget Allistairs 1) love, 2) love, 3)****** off, 4) ****** off choise for females.

[Tyrium]

I was going to go with "yeah there should be a no rivalry option for man Hawke" but actually it makes perfect sense.

Anders is a hell of a lot more emotional in that conversation with a male Hawke - after all, if Hawke is male, the guy has just killed his ex lover. It makes perfect sense for him to react much more emotionally to a rejection.

If Hawke is female, he's "only" had to kill a friend, and yeah, that sucks, but he's nowhere near as pissed, and is thinking much more clearly (at least at that point).

Modifié par Tyrium, 25 mars 2011 - 12:08 .