FitScotGaymer wrote...
@Sen4Life.
Okay firstly I am not going to report you or any of the other people in this thread simply because you might have said some rather homophobic stuff but I am firmly of the belief that in spite of it being homophobic and kind of judgemental and prejudice that it was more borne of ignorance and stupidity than being vicious or nasty.
I might not agree with what you said or how you said it, its just ignorance as near as I can tell.
I am not going to report people for being idiots.
I will however report them if they are being hateful, nasty, or inflammatory. Such as that user that used the word ****** in a derogatory way. It was uncalled for and plain nasty. No need for it at all.
Secondly, the phrase accident of birth simply means that being homosexual is a genetic fact that is irreversible. It is to reinforce the point that being gay isnt a choice (though being honest and true to yourself and acting on it is).
I am gay in case you couldnt guess, so I am hardly going to be calling unintentional accidents. That is more of a religious and philosophical discussion that I dont want to get into here.
I only reported that one user for using unnecessarily derogatory terminology. And i'd report inflammatory hate speech too.
It doesnt matter if its homophobia, racism, sexism, or whatever. If I see it its getting reported.
I like BSN; not gonna let a bunch of idiots who have outdated and horrible attitudes that should have been left behind decades ago ruin the site for me.
@James Moriarty.
Calling us "benders" is derogatory mate. I doubt you have ANY gay "friends" if thats how you refer to them in a serious context.
And there is such a thing as passive homophobia that comes from ignorance, and stupidity, and in many ways it can be even more hurtful and destructive than outright hatred or disdain for a persons sexuality.
I hope that when you grow up you dont have any gay children because god help them if they have a dad like you.
EDIT:
I am not trying to derail this thread or get it locked.
I think this is a valid discussion to have; even if I dont agree with those of you saying that Bioware is "forcing" Hawke to either be an ass or a ******/bisexual.
However it is possible and preferred that this be a discussion that is had without resorting to derogatory or hateful terminology like "******", or "bender", or "poofter". Or ranting about "TEH GHEY!" Thank you very much...
Ignorance? M'kay, explain to me, out of the posts I have made, how I am being ignorant. Maybe you should stop pretending like you are unflawed and perhaps admit that you missed the point and intention of this thread entirely?
Acting like everyone is out to condem you because of your sexuality is as prejudgist as what you are accusing me of. Hypocracy, my friend, is the only thing you have demonstrated this entire time. Again, this thread has more than likely been checked by a moderator before and they have not deemed it as a hate speech. So perhaps -YOU- are the one making the ignorant mistake? Did that cross your mind? No, probably not, I should save my energy.
And I understand homosexuality being genetic, however as a previous poster stated, to a point it is a choice, because you can decide to hide it from yourself. Being attracted to men is genetic, acting on it is a choice. Just like some heterosexuals dedicate their lives to not having sexual intercourse at all. In any instance, regardless of sexual orientation or gender, acting on it is a choice. But that is all technicalities.
And I guessed you were gay, but I wasn't going to make assumptions on whether or not you were homosexual or heterosexual. Assuming things of people usually doesn't lead to anything good, even if it's something obvious.
And to your edit, it is not that we (me and those who post in agreement and understandment) are feeling "forced to be gay" but that with the dialogue option it is giving you a black and white decision: be gay or be homophobic.
I feel, like others here, that the option to decline is rather harsh. The way you tell Anders is kind of a "back off, ******" way, which gets Anders fired up. A lot of people are arguing "well when people get rejected..." obviously not many people have listened to what he says. He says, clearly, that he feels like people try to control his emotions. It feels as if the only way I can decline him is by sounding homophobic and it feels like he's reacting as if I am.
Other than that, I can flirt with him. To put this in comparison, with Zevran, you could define your character. You could flirt with him, you could react homophobically (which I think should be an option, as, even though not everyone agrees it's a morally good reaction, it is still a reaction that could happen) OR you could tell him that you just want to be friends (and you could more or less tell him that you don't roll that way but you don't really care that he does).
I did not feel that kind of freedom in this case. In the other encounters I've had, you have the option to flirt with them, be rude, or say "I just want to be friends." Sometimes this angers them, but at least it gave you the option.
So for a character that I have made to be sarcastic yet heroic and friendly at times where it matters, I did not feel I was given the option that I usually am. They gave you only 2 paths to take, which is not enough, especially when in most conversations they give you at least 3, sometimes more. I thought it was poor writing. Also, it bothers me that the text written, even with the icon, does not always reflect what Hawke says, which is just rather annoying.
This isn't exactly an isolated case, it was just the final event that made me mad enough to go to the forums, because I like Anders. Gay or not, he was one of my favourite characters in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening and I'd rather like to have a friendship with him.
You can argue all you want that Rivalry is not a bad thing, however, if a player wants to build Friendship and not Rivalry because they prefer to have friendships, they should be allowed to. Vica versa, as well.
I hope this explains to you the point I and others have been trying to get across. If you choose to ignore it further, then I've done all I can.
FitScotGaymer wrote...
As Nyx.Aeterna pointed out the lack
of options on how people react to what you say or do or to your PC
happens else where; I kind of like the "lack" of an option from time to
time and Anders going off in a strop. It seems kind of fitting; the PC
doesnt get to control everything you know.
Its nice that NPCs react like real people would in a similar context I think.
As I stated, I do not know if it happens later (I haven't gotten impressively far into the game yet), and I said if it does, this applies to those situation also.
You don't have to agree with wanting more dialogue choice, just as long as you actually understand this is about dialogue choice.
Modifié par Sen4lifE, 25 mars 2011 - 10:41 .
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