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[Sen4lifE]

Medhia Nox wrote...

"A totally improper response to a complete stranger of the same gender." - griffondor

Is it a proper response to a stranger of a different gender griffondor?

I know what you are asking that for, and I do disagree with her comment, but for the sake no more arguing on this forum, I ask that we don't ask questions we know will lead to a debate about homosexuality.  Unless it's directly offensive, may we just ignore it?

[Sen4lifE]

Princess Katrina wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

But at sometimes, you don't actually a get a choice, which is a bit annoying, because personally, I'm straight.

This should go if you're gay and want to be without hitting on someone of the opposite sex.

It's frankly bad work of the conversation wheel.  I've been experiencing it a lot lately.


Really, the sentences wrote sometimes have abo****ely NO resemblance to what is actually said, and can really be irritating.  If it wasn't for the little icon in the center, I'd get really frustrated.

Here's what I'm talking about:

When you talk to Anders after you get back.  If you just want to learn your companions and NOT hit on them, you can not with him, unless you ****** him off, there is NO way of winning.

Blah blah, being weighty last time we talked, blah blah

1) Be a good friend
2) Make a sarcastic joke that pisses him off
3) Be an ass, make him mad

He talks

#) Hit on him
1) Encourage him like a friend
2) Be sarcastic, ****** him off
3) Be a jerk, ****** him off

He hits on you

You can:

1) Refuse, because you don't roll that way or don't want him and ****** HIM OFF with a, was it -10 or -15?
2) Hit on him
3) Hit on him

Okay, that's a what the **** moment for me.  With Zevran, if you just wanted to be friendly, you could tell him so without losing a ****-ton of influence.  If you seduced him and broke up with him, that's one thing.  But what the ****? He wasn't even remotely gay in Awakening, now you can't even avoid flirting with him while trying to make friends?

Seriously, this actually pisses me off a little, because I have to potentially ruin any other romance option just to try to learn one of my companions?  What kind of freedom is that?

Really, you can't say pretty much what you did with Zevran, whatever but I don't go that way?


I'm not intending to offend anyone of the homosexual orientation: this should go for any way, I just don't know if this is an isolated incident or if it happens with all companions.

Well, I play a female character (and pretty much always play her as a lesbian, which is what I am, though occasionally will make a char on a later playthrough who is not only a lesbian just out of curiosity and because I enjoy good romantic stories even if they're not lesbian in nature), but I didn't really have this issue with Anders.

I mean, yeah, he hit on me, but even on my current playthrough where I'm using the humor/charm dialogue options most of the time, I didn't ****** him off or gain any rivalry with him from it as I recall. He also didn't hit on me this time, though he did hit on my first char, who was diplo/friendly conversation choices. I had her simply tell him she wasn't interested. I don't know if it gave him rivalry points or not, can't remember, but it all played out rather logically.

As for Anders in Awakening, I have to disagree. He wasn't -gay,- but he was most definitely bisexual, and definitely a flirt. 

As for the rivalry points from telling Anders you're not interested, it does make sense to me. Anyone who's flirted with someone and immediately been told there's no chance of them being interested in you should be able to understand it. *shrugs* Also, as I recall, the three options with Anders when he hits on you are 1) Hit on him (with the little icon), 2) Neutral response that neither confirms nor denies any chance for future romance, and 3) make it clear you're not interested (which has the little </3 icon). 

What else would there be? =

As for your main concern, I haven't played a male char, so I can't say for Fenris (I know he'll make a flirtatious comment towards a female Champion pretty early on, though, but *shrugs*), but Merrill doesn't seem to be very aggressive romantically. Isabella, however, is -very- aggressive in that regard and very flirtatious, but that's just how some people are.

And I do see Anders being somewhat that way (though not nearly so extensively as Isabella) based on his behavior from Awakening.

Sorry, I do fully object, I do believe BioWare was going for making him straight in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.  In DA:O they seemed to have fixed orientations, straight/bi/gay, not tailored to your gender.

• Oghren: "Oh no, big templar man! What are you going to do with that sword?"
• Anders: Eww.

[Chaos_1001]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

"A totally improper response to a complete stranger of the same gender." - griffondor

Is it a proper response to a stranger of a different gender griffondor?

I know what you are asking that for, and I do disagree with her comment, but for the sake no more arguing on this forum, I ask that we don't ask questions we know will lead to a debate about homosexuality.  Unless it's directly offensive, may we just ignore it?

Indeed .  I have said this a couple of times at least.. Stay on topic or it will be locked. Period  !

[Ryzaki]

Yes everyone knows that not finding rape appealing = not being attracted to the gender that would do the raping. Your logic is irrefutable Sen4lifE

[Medhia Nox]

He had a cat named Ser Pounce A Lot - he was gay in Awakenings too.

[Sen4lifE]

TS2Aggie wrote...

"I'm for the right to choose to be gay, but.."

Okay, I read the title of this thread and figured that the last word pretty much indicated that the previous wording was going to be completely invalidated by the body of the post. And I was right.

As in, I'm okay with being able to choose to be gay with Anders (or Fenris, if you will), but... [here's the problem I have with this scenario]

Evidently, you didn't read, you assumed.  And you know what they say about "ass-u-me"

Shavon wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...


Sorry,
I do fully object, I do believe BioWare was going for making him
straight in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.  In DA:O they seemed to
have fixed orientations, straight/bi/gay, not tailored to your gender.

Ah, DEFINITELY not true, as Bioware never had any intentions of creating romantic subplots for the Awakenings add-on.

However, he doesn't seem to take kindly to men playing with "swords." xD

However, this is just for speculation.  It doesn't matter, he's bi now.  Get Oghren drunk enough, I'm sure he'd be anything.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 27 mars 2011 - 03:16 .

[Princess Katrina]

Sen4lifE wrote...
Sorry, I do fully object, I do believe BioWare was going for making him straight in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.  In DA:O they seemed to have fixed orientations, straight/bi/gay, not tailored to your gender.

That Oghren/Anders reference really wasn't a good example of trying to prove Anders was straight. As was already mentioned, Oghren's joke implies -rape,- which Anders unsurprisingly found disgusting, and Anders has a particular dislike for Templars. It's entirely reasonable that the idea of sex with a templar, of any gender, would be disgusting to Anders.

Also, Anders very well may have had an image of a Templar actually utilizing the -hilt- of a real sword on him in a sexual way (which is what Oghren's joke made -me- think of), in which case the gender of the Templar would be irrelevant and the implication would simply be that Anders doesn't like sex toys, or at least not the idea of swords used as sex toys. 

[Chaos_1001]

Sen4lifE

Evidently, you didn't read, you assumed. And you know what they say about "ass-u-me"

I actually smiled at that hehe

*edit* sorry for the off-topic

Modifié par Chaos_1001, 27 mars 2011 - 03:32 .

[Sen4lifE]

Princess Katrina wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...
Sorry, I do fully object, I do believe BioWare was going for making him straight in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.  In DA:O they seemed to have fixed orientations, straight/bi/gay, not tailored to your gender.

That Oghren/Anders reference really wasn't a good example of trying to prove Anders was straight. As was already mentioned, Oghren's joke implies -rape,- which Anders unsurprisingly found disgusting, and Anders has a particular dislike for Templars. It's entirely reasonable that the idea of sex with a templar, of any gender, would be disgusting to Anders.

Also, Anders very well may have had an image of a Templar actually utilizing the -hilt- of a real sword on him in a sexual way (which is what Oghren's joke made -me- think of), in which case the gender of the Templar would be irrelevant and the implication would simply be that Anders doesn't like sex toys, or at least not the idea of swords used as sex toys. 

It's up for speculation.  And really, it doesn't matter: he's bi now, and it's off-topic.  If you want to make a "Has Anders always been bisexual" thread, feel free to. xD

[Chaos_1001]

In my opinion the character companions exhibit the following personalities :

Anders -- Very outgoing and very much influenced by the main character's actions toward injustices (mages specifically) and does not take gender into consideration.

Isabella - Very open about her sexuality and very influenced by humorous actions (especially that of the main character) also does not consider gender when thinking / talking about romance

Merrill - A very focused individual on her studies / goals but also very naive. Also not easy to enter a relationship with but like others she will look past gender when deciding on relationships

Fenris - A very troubled grudgefull and violent companion. Based on the main character's actions toward magic in general, Fenris will either side with or side by the main character even if they themselves are a mage. Fenris reguards the main character's actions and intentions toward him above all else. He also will overlook gender.

Varric- narrarrator and not subject to the main character's romantic life

Aveline - At the first meeting with the main character held a truce of sorts. As time progressed became the main character's friend. As with Varric, no romance is available

Sebastian - An exiled prince and devout man of the chantry. A fiercly loyal companion that will always back the main character [ yes I'm intentionally leaving out a major piece here about sebastian so no /flaming ! ] This is the only character companion that can be romanced by a female main character.

So there it is . The personalities in a nutshell. Might be worth keeping in mind when approaching them in dialogue. I myself when I was romancing Merrill had in fact Anders and Isabella try to make the moves on my female main character mage. But, by the end of the game , I had all the friendships maxed except for the one it didnt matter in ( which I now regret) and that was Sebastian.

It really does come down to how you play with the dialogue in interacting with them. Some scenes have more impact than others, especially personal quests.

Some dialogue choices could have been more elaborate, true. Overall you have to take the above into consideration with each circumstance as it arises.

[Sen4lifE]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

In my opinion the character companions exhibit the following personalities :

Anders -- Very outgoing and very much influenced by the main character's actions toward injustices (mages specifically) and does not take gender into consideration.

Isabella - Very open about her sexuality and very influenced by humorous actions (especially that of the main character) also does not consider gender when thinking / talking about romance

Merrill - A very focused individual on her studies / goals but also very naive. Also not easy to enter a relationship with but like others she will look past gender when deciding on relationships

Fenris - A very troubled grudgefull and violent companion. Based on the main character's actions toward magic in general, Fenris will either side with or side by the main character even if they themselves are a mage. Fenris reguards the main character's actions and intentions toward him above all else. He also will overlook gender.

Varric- narrarrator and not subject to the main character's romantic life

Aveline - At the first meeting with the main character held a truce of sorts. As time progressed became the main character's friend. As with Varric, no romance is available

Sebastian - An exiled prince and devout man of the chantry. A fiercly loyal companion that will always back the main character [ yes I'm intentionally leaving out a major piece here about sebastian so no /flaming ! ] This is the only character companion that can be romanced by a female main character.

So there it is . The personalities in a nutshell. Might be worth keeping in mind when approaching them in dialogue. I myself when I was romancing Merrill had in fact Anders and Isabella try to make the moves on my female main character mage. But, by the end of the game , I had all the friendships maxed except for the one it didnt matter in ( which I now regret) and that was Sebastian.

It really does come down to how you play with the dialogue in interacting with them. Some scenes have more impact than others, especially personal quests.

Some dialogue choices could have been more elaborate, true. Overall you have to take the above into consideration with each circumstance as it arises.

Yes and I much prefer getting friendship (maybe to see how the story goes I'll go for rivalry) on my companions.

As far as this specifc scenario, I'm just sticking to the middle option as it doesnt bring up the romance flag and then continueing just being friendly as I have yet to actually get in a situation where it presents a similar condition with him (I be rude [no "agreeable"/diplomatic Hawke option] or I flirt).

So, I guess that work around is okay.

[planed scaped]

Calling Isabela "flirty" is putting in mildly.

Insatiable W*** is more the term I'd use >__>

Modifié par planed scaped, 27 mars 2011 - 05:42 .

[Sen4lifE]

planed scaped wrote...

Calling Isabela "flirty" is putting in mildly.

Insatiable W*** is more the term I'd use >__>

Good point... so I wonder what that burning sensation is.. it only started after she...wait..nevermind.

[snackrat]

ACTUALLY, when he says "We got a bit weighty the last time we talked" if you immediately choose the aggressive option, Hawke will say that their relationship is strictly professional. Janders will accept this without complaint and end the conversation. No relationship change. If you choose the snarky response he gets mildly offended. Only if you are diplomatic (aka 'the boring option') will he be flirty.

In reality a little rivalry is easy to deal with, since he gains friendship incredibly quickly should you agree with his ideals. And bring him along to witness events showing your agreement - which, face it, you probably will since he's the only healer unless you're a mage yourself.

[Mad-Max90]

Awakening Anders I would be happy with, broody abomination Anders,not so much. Why only make the gay characters in this game feel like they've been ripped out of a tween novel, I hated it, but that's just my opinion

[neppakyo]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Awakening Anders I would be happy with, broody abomination Anders,not so much. Why only make the gay characters in this game feel like they've been ripped out of a tween novel, I hated it, but that's just my opinion

I think Anders in Awakenings read the twilight books and we got Emo glittery bi-Anders.

[Sen4lifE]

Karsciyin wrote...

ACTUALLY, when he says "We got a bit weighty the last time we talked" if you immediately choose the aggressive option, Hawke will say that their relationship is strictly professional. Janders will accept this without complaint and end the conversation. No relationship change. If you choose the snarky response he gets mildly offended. Only if you are diplomatic (aka 'the boring option') will he be flirty.

In reality a little rivalry is easy to deal with, since he gains friendship incredibly quickly should you agree with his ideals. And bring him along to witness events showing your agreement - which, face it, you probably will since he's the only healer unless you're a mage yourself.

That really wasn't the point.  We know what he says, and I know the outcomes, I've tested it before I made this thread.  The point is is I believe at times like these, the player's options really gets limited to a rediculous and even frustrating point.

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Awakening Anders I would be happy with,
broody abomination Anders,not so much. Why only make the gay characters
in this game feel like they've been ripped out of a tween novel, I
hated it, but that's just my opinion

That's a very conflicting question.  Anders and Fenris are only gay if you are male, and straight if you are female (making them and all LIs bisexual).

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 28 mars 2011 - 10:40 .

[Dark83]

I'd like to point out that Oghren's jokes are pretty much "Ew" by default from most of the companions, regardless of if they're straight or gay.

Sen4lifE wrote...

That's a very conflicting question.  Anders and Fenris are only gay if you are male, and straight if you are female (making them and all LIs bisexual).

Actually, Fenris is only gay if you're gay. If you never flirt with him, it never comes up and he never expresses any interest in you. Then, if you don't give Isabela a good time, he does. So... he's actually straight by default.  Only you can give him teh gays. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Dark83, 28 mars 2011 - 11:23 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

You know, I managed to get through his dialog without him hitting on me and without him getting mad (getting rivalry points)
All I did was not click any heart options. The first convesation that had a broken heart icon I clicked and no rivalry.

I'm really not seeing the problem here.

[AlexMBrennan]

Anders disapproves of nearly everything you do, so get over the 15 rivalry points you get for turning him down. And unlike DA you don't have to go along with your companions' hypocrisy to get their support during the endgame.

Note that a moderator does have the right to close this thread if it becomes more about that than the issue of dialogue option or what you think of this situation.

Of course they do - it's their site.

Edit: Fixed multiple errors.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 28 mars 2011 - 11:48 .

[sheppard7]

Nimpe wrote...

You don't have to be gay. But Anders is gay, and he hits on you. It's realistic. Everyone isn't going to wait for you to get romantic.

And if you flirt with someone you like, and they deny it, you're going to feel upset.

Only if you're like OJ Simpson would someone get upset like that. Geez, where are all these insecure psychos you people find in the world so I can continue to avoid these idiots.

[snackrat]

Dark83 wrote...

I'd like to point out that Oghren's jokes are pretty much "Ew" by default from most of the companions, regardless of if they're straight or gay.

Sen4lifE wrote...

That's a very conflicting question.  Anders and Fenris are only gay if you are male, and straight if you are female (making them and all LIs bisexual).

Actually, Fenris is only gay if you're gay. If you never flirt with him, it never comes up and he never expresses any interest in you. Then, if you don't give Isabela a good time, he does. So... he's actually straight by default.  Only you can give him teh gays. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Well, he makes that remark about "Had I known Anso would send a man so capable, I would have asked him to look sooner." That sort of counts, since you can call him a flatterer (he then says he'll have to practice for next time), have it go over your head, or be "I'm sure capable was all he was looking for. :ph34r:"

[Rhys1984]

I'm getting conflicting information about the dialog options, i'd have to start a game and run my way up to anders initial conversations to get this going again.
as i know it you can turn him down and not take the hit to any points. however i understand people want the opportunity because the flirt flirt rebuff options make them uncomfortable, dont you think it would be similiar on the other side of the fence, playing a homosexual male character and having isabella initially try to sex you up.

[Well]

Rhys1984 wrote...

I'm getting conflicting information about the dialog options, i'd have to start a game and run my way up to anders initial conversations to get this going again.
as i know it you can turn him down and not take the hit to any points. however i understand people want the opportunity because the flirt flirt rebuff options make them uncomfortable, dont you think it would be similiar on the other side of the fence, playing a homosexual male character and having isabella initially try to sex you up.

I dont really care myself about the points.Still you shouldnt get rival points in either case.I had 115 points in Rival with Merrill in one shot.Dont know if it is a record.Lol it was cool. It was about a quest not romance. 

Modifié par Well, 30 mars 2011 - 10:40 .