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[Panzer_89]

Gah, this part irked me too.

It's impossible to NOT do one of the following:

a) Shoot him down and sound like a complete dick about it
Try to avoid doing that, while avoiding his advances and end up with the rivalry points
c) Gay out with him

Was a, "Sorry I don't swing that way, let's still work towards each others goals and be good friends, but NOT share the same bed." option too much to ask for?

I mean Origins was weird about it too sometimes. Being a male Warden making nice dialogue choices gains you the interest of Morrigan, and Leliana, AND Zevran.

[Nimpe]

Stop dramatizing the negative choice. Give us the actual said line.

[Orist24]

I think people are missing the bigger picture. This game has a friendship and a rivalry scale for a reason. Part of the game is about dialog and decisions you make having a negative or positive reaction to people. Aveline gets mad if you rob people and Anders gets mad if you reject him. Whats the big deal. The "easy way out" option would trivialize the games attempts to make your decisions carry any weight.

[Ryzaki]

First off rivalry isn't a "bad" choice nor is it "losing" influence.

It's a different type of influence.

2nd of all people aren't going to like it if you reject them no matter how nicely you do it. You see a pretty girl and you hit on her and she turns you down no matter how gently she does it, chances are you'll be disappointed.

And the choice is easily avoided by not constantly picking the gentle comforting options to someone as desperate as affection as Anders would latch on to. You don't have to be a douche, but acting kind and supportive and then acting shocked that someone who hasn't had any intimate contact for a while latches on to that is...eh.

Just pick the broken heart and call it a day .The world isn't going to explode

If I have to deal with Hawke leering at Isabela you can deal with a mere 15 rivalry points that'll be easily canceled out.

I'm not even getting into the "retconning" of Anders sexuality despite him telling us pratically nothing about his sex life tidbit. And not having time to enter a relationship with anyone during the events of Awakening. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 10:04 .

[Panzer_89]

Nimpe wrote...

Stop dramatizing the negative choice. Give us the actual said line.

I'm not dramatizing a thing. I also don't have a save anywhere remotley close to that part of the game, nor am I planning another play through anytime soon. What I DID do was play through that part about five times trying to find the magical dialouge choice that fit my Hawke's personality, but I can't say I found one I was truely happy with.

[Medhia Nox]

You really don't want to be friends with Anders anyway - just tell him off.

[Ryzaki]

I have a save. I'll record it right now.

Because honestly it's easily avoided. Just pick the middle option instead of "You can tell me anything"
Edit: Hawke simply says "I don't want you thinking about me that way." 

It's a bit dry but it's not unnecessarily cruel or anything. People can be sensitive. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 10:11 .

[Nimpe]

DSerpa wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

Stop dramatizing the negative choice. Give us the actual said line.

Hawke yells out something like, "I don't want you thinking of me that way!" with a disgusted look on his face.

If that's the line, then that's simply saying "I don't want you liking me." And if he really is as disgusted as you said, (if you can really read this game's facial expressions) were you playing a playthrough where you were picking mainly the red choices? Picking alot of a personality tweaks some dialog said by hawke to a different tone.

Either way, that's far from telling Anders to stop being gay.

Modifié par Nimpe, 18 mars 2011 - 10:09 .

[Ryzaki]

The vid where you choose both "helpful" options and end up propositioned.

Avoiding that by not choosing both helpful options. 

And yes that works with aggression. 
 
If anyone is being jerky its Anders. He is emotional though and he does snap. Everyone doesn't take rejection well. So Hawke isn't being a homophobic douchebag I don't see where you got that impression. 

Anyways rivalry isn't losing influence as I said before. I constantly rivalry romance Anders.

And 10 points? Pu-lease. 10 points isn't anything. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 10:31 .

[LemuresXL]

Sounds like Bioware really wants us to experiment... no thanks.

[Nimpe]

DSerpa wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

DSerpa wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

Stop dramatizing the negative choice. Give us the actual said line.

Hawke yells out something like, "I don't want you thinking of me that way!" with a disgusted look on his face.

If that's the line, then that's simply saying "I don't want you liking me." And if he really is as disgusted as you said, (if you can really read this game's facial expressions) were you playing a playthrough where you were picking mainly the red choices? Picking alot of a personality tweaks some dialog said by hawke to a different tone.

Either way, that's far from telling Anders to stop being gay.

I'm just saying what I remember. Might not be correct.

On the whole, though, you shouldn't have gotten rivalry points from that. 

Alright, I saw the video, Anders is a bit touchy about it, but you would of gotten rivalry points regardless, even if he said something along the lines of "alright, I understand." because you just rejected him. He got his guts up to flirt with you and you said no.

Although, the "everyone is controlling me" could of been just a mildly sarcastic remark, and the rivalry was from the rejection itself. I don't know, but my point still stands, you would of gotten rivalry regardless.

[Kenaris]

Crossroads_Wanderer wrote...

Maybe Anders is just the pushy sort. There are some people in real life that you have to shut down hard to get them to stop hitting on you.

Anders is a stalker he watches your hawke bathe through the bathroom window of your mansion

[Eterna]

I'm Gay and have had to deal with having heterosexual romances flung at me all my life.

Deal with it.

[AngelicMachinery]

You know, I denied Anders and actually got +10 or so friendly with him.

[royceclemens]

SarcastiHawke does not have this problem. Do that.  And why in God's name is it being implied that this is endemic only to male Hawkes?  I've had two female NiceHawkes get propositioned by Anders as well at that exact same point.

Modifié par royceclemens, 19 mars 2011 - 09:41 .

[CRISIS1717]

You obviously seem broken up over the issue maybe you should give him pity sex.

[Fidget6]

vigna wrote...

Gay guys generally don't randomly hit on guys they think are straight though unless it's to see how homophobic they are. That's my experience.

I agree. With me and with other gay guys I know, if I'm interested I'll bring up gay rights in a conversation beforehand, to try to find out what their postion is on it, and if they feel comfortable mentioning their own sexuality. I don't make a move unless I'm pretty damn sure they swing that way. 

[Cobra5]

Anders is just really sensitive. Choosing the "I'm not interested" option Hawke is actually very gentle about it- Anders gets kinda broken up anyway (Resulting in the -15). In the long run though he gets over it, and really, -15 is nothing.

I know the exact scene you are talking about. Saying that you have to be a jerk to him is not true at all. Hawke says, calmly in exact words: "I don't want you thinking about me in that way". There is even a pause in the middle, it sounds like he's trying to be as considerate as possible.

Anders is gay (if you're a dude). He's also troubled and emotional, being turned down hurts his feelings, but he gets over it.

That said:
I really do think Bioware did a bad job on this: I'd rather see characters be "Straight" or "Gay" and make that part of their persona. As it is their sexuality has nothing to do with their character past the first time they hit on you. It feels more like a game mechanic then a character trait. Of course he doesn't need to be a fairy or anything but, if he's gay, let him (and you, and other party members) comment on that, ask about it, and joke about it, without hitting on him... Still waiting for the day for an actually fleshed out gay character...

[osmiumskin]

Sen4lifE wrote...

But at sometimes, you don't actually a get a choice, which is a bit annoying, because personally, I'm straight.

This should go if you're gay and want to be without hitting on someone of the opposite sex.

It's frankly bad work of the conversation wheel.  I've been experiencing it a lot lately.


Really, the sentences wrote sometimes have abo****ely NO resemblance to what is actually said, and can really be irritating.  If it wasn't for the little icon in the center, I'd get really frustrated.

Here's what I'm talking about:

When you talk to Anders after you get back.  If you just want to learn your companions and NOT hit on them, you can not with him, unless you ****** him off, there is NO way of winning.

Blah blah, being weighty last time we talked, blah blah

1) Be a good friend
2) Make a sarcastic joke that pisses him off
3) Be an ass, make him mad

He talks

#) Hit on him
1) Encourage him like a friend
2) Be sarcastic, ****** him off
3) Be a jerk, ****** him off

He hits on you

You can:

1) Refuse, because you don't roll that way or don't want him and ****** HIM OFF with a, was it -10 or -15?
2) Hit on him
3) Hit on him

Okay, that's a what the **** moment for me.  With Zevran, if you just wanted to be friendly, you could tell him so without losing a ****-ton of influence.  If you seduced him and broke up with him, that's one thing.  But what the ****? He wasn't even remotely gay in Awakening, now you can't even avoid flirting with him while trying to make friends?

Seriously, this actually pisses me off a little, because I have to potentially ruin any other romance option just to try to learn one of my companions?  What kind of freedom is that?

Really, you can't say pretty much what you did with Zevran, whatever but I don't go that way?


I'm not intending to offend anyone of the homosexual orientation: this should go for any way, I just don't know if this is an isolated incident or if it happens with all companions.

As a homosexual.. I'm happy. I mean, why wouldn't I be? I'll say though that I understand, because it's just not very well balanced. You've got an additional option as a homosexual male or heterosexual female  and I'd be upset myself ..and II have been.. in Origins. In Origins, straight females had the choice of Alistair and Zevran, straight males and gay females had the option of Morrigan or Leliana..and homosexual males had the option of Zevran.  I mean, Zevran was enough to handle lol, but there was no option for a "serious" romance for gay males. I'm biased and am somewhat happy that the the shoe is on the other foot this time around, so to speak, but I hope that with the potential Dragon Age III that they take more consideration into the balance of it.

[Black List]

 I think I speak for Anders when I say I hope you get ran through with a sword!

[ErebUs890]

lol Anders getting all butthurt at me for not wanting to be his gay lover is a little ridiculous.

[osmiumskin]

Sorry, there is no additional option for the homosexual orientation. So..I change my entire stance and the queers should have an extra in the third or a DLC as Origins was uneven. So, there. Hmph.