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[fchopin]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Really, the sentences wrote sometimes have abo****ely NO resemblance to what is actually said, and can really be irritating.  If it wasn't for the little icon in the center, I'd get really frustrated.

The dialogue options were so bad that i never had any idea what my character was going to say.
 
This is probably the worst dialogue choices in an RPG i have ever played.

[Rhys1984]

Mass Effect 2 Fchopin, don't forget that.

[Heavensrun]

vigna wrote...

Gay guys generally don't randomly hit on guys they think are straight though unless it's to see how homophobic they are. That's my experience.

Because as you all know, we all wear signs and nametags expressly highlighting our sexual preferences.

Edit:  Addressing the OP, I agree that this conversation bottleneck was a little annoying?  (and that's playing a female character)  But I just turned him down, mended fences later, and everything was cool.  He got a little judgy about Merrill later, which I actually thought worked pretty well with the whole "relationship DENIED" scene from before.  Like he's cool being friends, but he's still a little sour about the rejection.  It felt human and real to me.

Modifié par Heavensrun, 29 mars 2011 - 11:48 .

[griffondor]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

"A totally improper response to a complete stranger of the same gender." - griffondor

Is it a proper response to a stranger of a different gender griffondor?

I know what you are asking that for, and I do disagree with her comment, but for the sake no more arguing on this forum, I ask that we don't ask questions we know will lead to a debate about homosexuality.  Unless it's directly offensive, may we just ignore it?

My response went over everybody's head... I feel compelled to clarify.

The comment Isabella makes to femHawk is inappropriate, not because she is a woman making a sexual innuendo at another woman, it's inappropriate because female sexuality is different from male sexuality.  

Why would a woman assume that another woman wants to look at her ass?  I can appreciate a nice ass, male or female, in the context of beauty, but focusing on body parts for sexual arousal is not a feminine trait. It's not gay women, but straight men, who create the demand for silicone breasts, for example.  Sexual triggers tend to be different for men and women regardless of sexual orientation.

Isabella's comment is inappropriate because it is not gender specific-- not because it is not "gender orientated" specific.

Hope that makes sense to those who immediately assumed HOMOPHOBE...

Btw, the comment is rare in that in most of the game, and in the previous Dragon Age universe, gender differences are respected and acknowledged.  It's something I really appreciate and adds to the immersiveness of the game.  Maybe that's why this particular statement stood out and irritated me.

Modifié par griffondor, 30 mars 2011 - 11:25 .

[AedenHawke]

Manly hawke, deep voice, kills ****. Yes, that screams out "I'm Gay" doesn't it?

[ScotGaymer]

Gay people come in all shapes and sizes AedenHawke.

Last year I was seeing (going out with) a guy who was a 6.5 feet tall, muscled, skinheaded, bodybuilder. No one I knew ever believed he was gay till they saw us together. Then it was kinda obvious he was into me.

You ought not to stereotype like that. If you still dont believe me; Alexander the Great liked dudes as well, and he was considered the most badass conquering warrior in the world until the advent of Genghis Khan.

@Senilife.

I agree with that statement about the Paraphrasing int his game being really bad; but then I have NEVER been that big of a paraphrasing fan. Some people like it.

[Carfax]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

You ought not to stereotype like that. If you still dont believe me; Alexander the Great liked dudes as well, and he was considered the most badass conquering warrior in the world until the advent of Genghis Khan..

I'm really sicked and tired of gays perverting Alexander the Great.  Lets get a few facts straight shall we?

Alexander the Great had THREE wives, and many concubines.  Gay men back then were still required to marry and reproduce to provide heirs, but if Alexander the Great was gay, then he wouldn't have married three women and had so many mistresses.

It is patently obvious that Alexander the Great loved beaver.

He may have possibly been bisexual, but even this can be disputed.  Alexander the Great was offered "two beautiful boys" but he refused the both of them and was apparently outraged that they had even been offered to him.

Here's an excerpt from a book which explains what happened:

Ages Savill, Alexander the Great and His Time, Barnes and Noble, New York, 1993, p 210-211 “Philoxenus, who commanded his forces upon the coast, acquainted Alexander by letter, that there was one Theodorus a Tarentine with him, who had two beautiful boys to sell, and desired to know whether he chose to buy them. Alexander was so much incensed at this that he asked his friends several times, ‘What base inclinations Philoxenus had ever seen in him that he durst make him so infamous a proposal?’ In his answer to the letter, which was extremely severe upon Philoxenus, he ordered him to dismiss Theodorus and his vile merchandise together. He likewise reprimanded young Agnon, for offering to purchase Crobylus for him, whose beauty was famous in Corinth.” (Plut. 4 Alex. pp. 251-2)

[GodBID]

I like how i told anders to pretty much frak off the moment i meet him, then a little bit further down the road he tries AGAIN to get into my pants, seriously ? LEAVE ME ALONE

[Visanideth]

griffondor wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

"A totally improper response to a complete stranger of the same gender." - griffondor

Is it a proper response to a stranger of a different gender griffondor?

I know what you are asking that for, and I do disagree with her comment, but for the sake no more arguing on this forum, I ask that we don't ask questions we know will lead to a debate about homosexuality.  Unless it's directly offensive, may we just ignore it?

My response went over everybody's head... I feel compelled to clarify.

The comment Isabella makes to femHawk is inappropriate, not because she is a woman making a sexual innuendo at another woman, it's inappropriate because female sexuality is different from male sexuality.  

Why would a woman assume that another woman wants to look at her ass?  I can appreciate a nice ass, male or female, in the context of beauty, but focusing on body parts for sexual arousal is not a feminine trait. It's not gay women, but straight men, who create the demand for silicone breasts, for example.  Sexual triggers tend to be different for men and women regardless of sexual orientation.

Isabella's comment is inappropriate because it is not gender specific-- not because it is not "gender orientated" specific.

Hope that makes sense to those who immediately assumed HOMOPHOBE...

Btw, the comment is rare in that in most of the game, and in the previous Dragon Age universe, gender differences are respected and acknowledged.  It's something I really appreciate and adds to the immersiveness of the game.  Maybe that's why this particular statement stood out and irritated me.

Not to nitpick, but for example my girlfriend is basically a very tiepid bi-sexual (she's not been with a girl in ages) and it's quite common for her to make comments like "my co-worker has an ass that talks to you".

She actually notices nice bodies on girls before I do.

[Visanideth]

GodBID wrote...

I like how i told anders to pretty much frak off the moment i meet him, then a little bit further down the road he tries AGAIN to get into my pants, seriously ? LEAVE ME ALONE

And that's great, really. We go from "gay if you want him to be because it's politically correct" to a gay character who is gay and doesn't apologize about it.
My gf jokes that I'm homophobic and I sort of freak out every time he tries to get in my pants, but he does make a lot of sense as a character to me.

He's both strong and weak; he's taking on a seemingly impossible battle and isn't willing to give up, but at the same time he feels somewhat alone and vulnerable. He's no coward, but he's terrified by the idea of being made tranquil, and Hawke exudes an aura of strength and power that justifies his interest.

[Persephone]

My standard answer to this "issue":

"It's okay to be gay" --->www.youtube.com/watch (HILARIOUS video!)

[Eclipse_9990]

Carfax wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

You ought not to stereotype like that. If you still dont believe me; Alexander the Great liked dudes as well, and he was considered the most badass conquering warrior in the world until the advent of Genghis Khan..

I'm really sicked and tired of gays perverting Alexander the Great.  Lets get a few facts straight shall we?

Alexander the Great had THREE wives, and many concubines.  Gay men back then were still required to marry and reproduce to provide heirs, but if Alexander the Great was gay, then he wouldn't have married three women and had so many mistresses.

It is patently obvious that Alexander the Great loved beaver.

He may have possibly been bisexual, but even this can be disputed.  Alexander the Great was offered "two beautiful boys" but he refused the both of them and was apparently outraged that they had even been offered to him.

Here's an excerpt from a book which explains what happened:

Ages Savill, Alexander the Great and His Time, Barnes and Noble, New York, 1993, p 210-211 “Philoxenus, who commanded his forces upon the coast, acquainted Alexander by letter, that there was one Theodorus a Tarentine with him, who had two beautiful boys to sell, and desired to know whether he chose to buy them. Alexander was so much incensed at this that he asked his friends several times, ‘What base inclinations Philoxenus had ever seen in him that he durst make him so infamous a proposal?’ In his answer to the letter, which was extremely severe upon Philoxenus, he ordered him to dismiss Theodorus and his vile merchandise together. He likewise reprimanded young Agnon, for offering to purchase Crobylus for him, whose beauty was famous in Corinth.” (Plut. 4 Alex. pp. 251-2)

Interesting. If your claim is true then who are gay people going to use as an example from now on? 

[ReinaHW]

Something to consider is that homosexuals/bi-sexuals don't choose that lifestyle, the same as trans-gender, it's what they're born as.
As they grow and learn about themselves and about life, they note their feelings and thoughts.

I never chose to be the person I am, I was born as I am. In a game it a choice of sorts, if a character is programmed to feel that way for another character then it's programming and the player can make up their own mind if they aren't interested or go with the flow.

The player is given the choice to choose for themselves, but it doesn't mean that if a hetrosexual male plays a game and chooses for their character to have a homosexual relationship that it will make them that way, it's a game relationship and doesn't reflect on the player's lifestyle.

I find it refreshing to be honest, I'm pretty tired of the usual generic hetrosexual characters, it's nice to give the player the choice.
A hetrosexual lifestyle and character is always forced into people's faces, but the choice for a homosexual or bi-sexual relationship in a game isn't forced in the face like a hetrosexual character is.

If people are unable to see that it's a choice then they have the problem, not those who gave them the choice.

[Eclipse_9990]

ReinaHW wrote...

Something to consider is that homosexuals/bi-sexuals don't choose that lifestyle, the same as trans-gender, it's what they're born as.
As they grow and learn about themselves and about life, they note their feelings and thoughts.

I never chose to be the person I am, I was born as I am. In a game it a choice of sorts, if a character is programmed to feel that way for another character then it's programming and the player can make up their own mind if they aren't interested or go with the flow.

The player is given the choice to choose for themselves, but it doesn't mean that if a hetrosexual male plays a game and chooses for their character to have a homosexual relationship that it will make them that way, it's a game relationship and doesn't reflect on the player's lifestyle.

I find it refreshing to be honest, I'm pretty tired of the usual generic hetrosexual characters, it's nice to give the player the choice.
A hetrosexual lifestyle and character is always forced into people's faces, but the choice for a homosexual or bi-sexual relationship in a game isn't forced in the face like a hetrosexual character is.

If people are unable to see that it's a choice then they have the problem, not those who gave them the choice.

Well trans-genders arn't technically born that way. Unless your talking about hermaphrodites. Transgenders are just gay/bi people who chose to get implanted breasts, have their balls cut off, and their dick turned inside out. While the girls become guys with vagina's, and get a fake penis strapped onto them. They arent exactly "born" that way. I never understood why they seperated Transgenders in their own group. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 31 mars 2011 - 12:20 .

[Carfax]

ReinaHW wrote...

A hetrosexual lifestyle and character is always forced into people's faces, but the choice for a homosexual or bi-sexual relationship in a game isn't forced in the face like a hetrosexual character is.

Um, this might have something to do with the fact that heterosexuality is the default sexuality for the human species, seeing as we do reproduce sexually in case you haven't noticed  

Make no mistake, homosexuality and heterosexuality are not in any way shape or form equal. 

[Carfax]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Interesting. If your claim is true then who are gay people going to use as an example from now on? 

If my claim is true?  You can look it up yourself if you or anyone else has doubts..

And there are lots of other famous gay or bisexual people throughout History for them to use as examples..

[Eclipse_9990]

Carfax wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Interesting. If your claim is true then who are gay people going to use as an example from now on? 

If my claim is true?  You can look it up yourself if you or anyone else has doubts..

And there are lots of other famous gay or bisexual people throughout History for them to use as examples..

True. I mean they have Cole Porter, Roman Emperor Hadrian, Spartans(I guess?), Queen...

[Kotetsimaru]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

Something to consider is that homosexuals/bi-sexuals don't choose that lifestyle, the same as trans-gender, it's what they're born as.
As they grow and learn about themselves and about life, they note their feelings and thoughts.

I never chose to be the person I am, I was born as I am. In a game it a choice of sorts, if a character is programmed to feel that way for another character then it's programming and the player can make up their own mind if they aren't interested or go with the flow.

The player is given the choice to choose for themselves, but it doesn't mean that if a hetrosexual male plays a game and chooses for their character to have a homosexual relationship that it will make them that way, it's a game relationship and doesn't reflect on the player's lifestyle.

I find it refreshing to be honest, I'm pretty tired of the usual generic hetrosexual characters, it's nice to give the player the choice.
A hetrosexual lifestyle and character is always forced into people's faces, but the choice for a homosexual or bi-sexual relationship in a game isn't forced in the face like a hetrosexual character is.

If people are unable to see that it's a choice then they have the problem, not those who gave them the choice.

Well trans-genders arn't technically born that way. Unless your talking about hermaphrodites. Transgenders are just gay/bi people who chose to get implanted breasts, have their balls cut off, and their dick turned inside out. While the girls become guys with vagina's, and get a fake penis strapped onto them. They arent exactly "born" that way. I never understood why they seperated Transgenders in their own group. 

Erm quite possibly because your idea of Transgender is kind of messed up. They are not gay/bi people who choose to change sex. They are people who feel they have the wrong sex body, BIG difference.  Their sexual preference has nothing to do with why they go through those operations.

[Eclipse_9990]

Kotetsimaru wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

Something to consider is that homosexuals/bi-sexuals don't choose that lifestyle, the same as trans-gender, it's what they're born as.
As they grow and learn about themselves and about life, they note their feelings and thoughts.

I never chose to be the person I am, I was born as I am. In a game it a choice of sorts, if a character is programmed to feel that way for another character then it's programming and the player can make up their own mind if they aren't interested or go with the flow.

The player is given the choice to choose for themselves, but it doesn't mean that if a hetrosexual male plays a game and chooses for their character to have a homosexual relationship that it will make them that way, it's a game relationship and doesn't reflect on the player's lifestyle.

I find it refreshing to be honest, I'm pretty tired of the usual generic hetrosexual characters, it's nice to give the player the choice.
A hetrosexual lifestyle and character is always forced into people's faces, but the choice for a homosexual or bi-sexual relationship in a game isn't forced in the face like a hetrosexual character is.

If people are unable to see that it's a choice then they have the problem, not those who gave them the choice.

Well trans-genders arn't technically born that way. Unless your talking about hermaphrodites. Transgenders are just gay/bi people who chose to get implanted breasts, have their balls cut off, and their dick turned inside out. While the girls become guys with vagina's, and get a fake penis strapped onto them. They arent exactly "born" that way. I never understood why they seperated Transgenders in their own group. 

Erm quite possibly because your idea of Transgender is kind of messed up. They are not gay/bi people who choose to change sex. They are people who feel they have the wrong sex body, BIG difference.  Their sexual preference has nothing to do with why they go through those operations.

Hmm.. So the're just guys/girls with an identity crisis... I guess that makes sense.. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 31 mars 2011 - 01:04 .

[AngelicMachinery]

AedenHawke wrote...

Manly hawke, deep voice, kills ****. Yes, that screams out "I'm Gay" doesn't it?

It doesn't neccesarily mean your not either.  I'm always so amused when people think certain mannerism and personality types are the core to homosexuality.  That's not how it works,  sure there are stereotypes for a reason but not everyone fits neatly into those stereotypes.

[ReinaHW]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Kotetsimaru wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

Something to consider is that homosexuals/bi-sexuals don't choose that lifestyle, the same as trans-gender, it's what they're born as.
As they grow and learn about themselves and about life, they note their feelings and thoughts.

I never chose to be the person I am, I was born as I am. In a game it a choice of sorts, if a character is programmed to feel that way for another character then it's programming and the player can make up their own mind if they aren't interested or go with the flow.

The player is given the choice to choose for themselves, but it doesn't mean that if a hetrosexual male plays a game and chooses for their character to have a homosexual relationship that it will make them that way, it's a game relationship and doesn't reflect on the player's lifestyle.

I find it refreshing to be honest, I'm pretty tired of the usual generic hetrosexual characters, it's nice to give the player the choice.
A hetrosexual lifestyle and character is always forced into people's faces, but the choice for a homosexual or bi-sexual relationship in a game isn't forced in the face like a hetrosexual character is.

If people are unable to see that it's a choice then they have the problem, not those who gave them the choice.

Well trans-genders arn't technically born that way. Unless your talking about hermaphrodites. Transgenders are just gay/bi people who chose to get implanted breasts, have their balls cut off, and their dick turned inside out. While the girls become guys with vagina's, and get a fake penis strapped onto them. They arent exactly "born" that way. I never understood why they seperated Transgenders in their own group. 

Erm quite possibly because your idea of Transgender is kind of messed up. They are not gay/bi people who choose to change sex. They are people who feel they have the wrong sex body, BIG difference.  Their sexual preference has nothing to do with why they go through those operations.

Hmm.. So the're just guys/girls with an identity crisis... I guess that makes sense.. 

No, not an identifty crisis, nothing so dramatic.  It's something that happens in the womb and progresses as the person becomes older and their gender identity, which isn't part of their physical gender, becomes to assert itself.  For someone who's trans-gender they find they have different feelings that don't match how people see them, regard them and such due to their physical gender.

I'm trans-gender - female trapped within a male body - Ever since my self awareness kicked in when I was very young and my gender identity developed I have always seen myself as female, while people see me and treat me as a man, which I hate deeply since I don't regard myself as male.
It made puberty horrible beyond words because I knew I was developing wrong, even after learning about how the body develops as it enters adulthood at the time, it was still horrible.

I'm working bit by bit to removing the birth defect of my male body, takes time, but I'm hoping I'll manage it even though it means making sacrifices like never being able to be a parent and pratically going through a second puberty.
But compared to living within a male body and being treated and regarded as the man I'm not, and which I refuse to be, then those sacrifices are small fry in comparsion.

I prefer being treated and regarded as the woman I am within, feels more real to me than being treated like a male.

[RomanDark]

Anders is better as a rival anyways, And i'm speaking as someone who romanced him

[Eclipse_9990]

ReinaHW wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Kotetsimaru wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

Something to consider is that homosexuals/bi-sexuals don't choose that lifestyle, the same as trans-gender, it's what they're born as.
As they grow and learn about themselves and about life, they note their feelings and thoughts.

I never chose to be the person I am, I was born as I am. In a game it a choice of sorts, if a character is programmed to feel that way for another character then it's programming and the player can make up their own mind if they aren't interested or go with the flow.

The player is given the choice to choose for themselves, but it doesn't mean that if a hetrosexual male plays a game and chooses for their character to have a homosexual relationship that it will make them that way, it's a game relationship and doesn't reflect on the player's lifestyle.

I find it refreshing to be honest, I'm pretty tired of the usual generic hetrosexual characters, it's nice to give the player the choice.
A hetrosexual lifestyle and character is always forced into people's faces, but the choice for a homosexual or bi-sexual relationship in a game isn't forced in the face like a hetrosexual character is.

If people are unable to see that it's a choice then they have the problem, not those who gave them the choice.

Well trans-genders arn't technically born that way. Unless your talking about hermaphrodites. Transgenders are just gay/bi people who chose to get implanted breasts, have their balls cut off, and their dick turned inside out. While the girls become guys with vagina's, and get a fake penis strapped onto them. They arent exactly "born" that way. I never understood why they seperated Transgenders in their own group. 

Erm quite possibly because your idea of Transgender is kind of messed up. They are not gay/bi people who choose to change sex. They are people who feel they have the wrong sex body, BIG difference.  Their sexual preference has nothing to do with why they go through those operations.

Hmm.. So the're just guys/girls with an identity crisis... I guess that makes sense.. 

No, not an identifty crisis, nothing so dramatic.  It's something that happens in the womb and progresses as the person becomes older and their gender identity, which isn't part of their physical gender, becomes to assert itself.  For someone who's trans-gender they find they have different feelings that don't match how people see them, regard them and such due to their physical gender.

I'm trans-gender - female trapped within a male body - Ever since my self awareness kicked in when I was very young and my gender identity developed I have always seen myself as female, while people see me and treat me as a man, which I hate deeply since I don't regard myself as male.
It made puberty horrible beyond words because I knew I was developing wrong, even after learning about how the body develops as it enters adulthood at the time, it was still horrible.

I'm working bit by bit to removing the birth defect of my male body, takes time, but I'm hoping I'll manage it even though it means making sacrifices like never being able to be a parent and pratically going through a second puberty.
But compared to living within a male body and being treated and regarded as the man I'm not, and which I refuse to be, then those sacrifices are small fry in comparsion.

I prefer being treated and regarded as the woman I am within, feels more real to me than being treated like a male.

Intriguing... But . Why let your mindset determine the way you are or should be physically? You can still be a guy, and be effeminate(not saying you are, just using an example), and be attracted to other men or women you know... Also I don't want this to come off as "mean" or "harsh" but your always going to be a guy no matter what surgery or change takes place, and people will notice..

Unless your really androgynous people are probably still going to notice, and treat you differently. It would just cause you more problems especially if you bring someone home and want to have sex unless said person already knew you were transgendered before hand. Also on the subject of sex I've always wondered something and this is a decent opportunity to get some answers.

As far as I know the male to female process is essentially mutilation of ones reproductive organs. But I don't doubt that men to women transgenders have sex. Isnt it hard to feel any pleasure with out certain... "parts"? I'm probably wrong as I don't really know anything about this kind of stuff. I'm just curious...

[ReinaHW]

With my naturally soft voice, my feminine behaviour and attiude people have at times seen me as female, I'm incapable of being a man in every sense, to me males are a mystery.
Even my mum has suspected that I've always hated being born with a male body, but had to repress myself because of society's narrow notions on what defines a person.

Actually male female TG's who have had imtimate relations have mentioned that the intimacy is ten times more intense and pleasureable than it was when they had the male parts.
The hormone treatments basically shrink the parts down so that they can be easily removed without major blood loss during the operation, while that happens the area of the body where the most pleasure can be felt changes and becomes much more stimulated once the parts are removed.

The change after the op is never noticed, surgeons have perfected it so well that it's hard to tell that male parts were even there. It's not like in some bad movie made by a misinformed idiot who doesn't bother to actually research and talk to anyone who's had the operation and switch.
In real life, the best surgeon can make the post-op work look perfect.

Modifié par ReinaHW, 31 mars 2011 - 05:33 .

[tiernanls]

honestly i really hear where the op is coming from on this.  its being highlighted a bit much on this particular anders romance but it takes place all over the game in just regular banter.  there are times when there is no grey area.  thats fine i guess, but if you really want your charactors choices to reflect your own personality it sucks to not be able to say in this particular scenario "not my thing bro but more power to you".  i did not like that turning him down = condemning homosexuality.  i have no issue with being gay.  im just not.  thats the long and short of it. 

look, im as straight as straight gets.  i love T&A in movies and get excited about lingerie football.  lol.  but at the end of the day its a game.  its not the end of the world.  im paragon/friendly all the way in all bioware games.  i absolutely hate the idea of having negative points added to a friendship.  i reload all the time and try different party members when it happens.  so my solution was simple, especially since its just a game.  i reloaded, did the "am i making YOU uncomfortable" option since its not really romancing.... the game makes it quite clear that until you get em in the sack youre just flirting.  and throughout the rest of the game i never had one scenario with anders that forced me to flirt with him again.  i always had a "youre a good friend" option.  my character ended up being a one woman man with isabella.

also, since its just a game, i always play through games like this with the opposite gender as well.  so many things are different in both origins and 2 based on race/gender/class etc.  it adds replay value.  so if it makes you feel any better you get the same damn bottleneck of choices with a chick hawke and its actually even worse.  both flirt choices result in you hitting on him hardcore right back.  there is even less grey area in what is a completely heterosexual conversation.  to me there should be more cause for conern there as to pigeon-holing female players.  

this game just has a liberal slant.  its their game.  they paid for it and wrote it and made it.  they get that choice.  they want you to try everything.  shoot if you want all the achievements in the first one you HAVE to do a playthrough in both sexes.  only way to get all the romancing achievements.  and since its a game i have no problem saying that i got zevrans romancing achievement as a dude to save time.  lol.  broke it off with him afterwards since leliana pitched a fit.  but still.  you can skip past the cinematic.  lol.  

my only compaint in 2 is that its awesome that there are characters who cannot be swayed one way or the other in their political stances.  fenris pretty much hates mages no matter what.  no matter what you do anders sees no compromise between the templars and the mages and blood magic is just evil to him.  you would think that the same would apply to their sexuality.  it makes sense in isabellas demeanor that she would swing for both teams.  but to have every romance option be available for both sexes is a bit unrealistic in my opinion.  i much prefer the way it was in origins.  and even then it was somewhat unrealistic.  i know lots of gay guys that find the idea of being with a woman repulsive.  some people are just gay.  there are no characters like that in either game.  theyre either straight, or they swing both ways.  this is slightly offensive to me as it kinda pigeon-holes homosexuality as a choice.  one that has nothing to do with the make-up of the individual talking to you just that sex is more fun to them with more options.    there are signs all over the place that homsexuals should have much more to complain about as pertaining to pigeon-holing sexual orientation. 

at the end of the day, both titles are somewhat groundbreaking in that there is a choice.  i think its pretty damn brave that they would even approach it, and am glad they did so.  its a divisive topic to begin with, and its fairley awesome that the mods are letting us debate here on these forums to begin with.  being a bit homophobic is completely normal for people of certain backgrounds.  the op is hardley a bigot.  its a legitimate gripe, its just not all that much of an earth-shattering mistake by the writers in my opinion, and quite frankly one of the weakest examples of pigeon-holing a sexual orientation in the game.  there are many more on the fem-hawke straight side.