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[Vicious]

And to those who boo hoo for rivalry points for rejection? How about actually trying to ROLEPLAY instead of min/max for once? Because it pisses people off when you reject them.

Just suck it up and ROLE PLAY instead of 'oh noes i lost 5 points of friendship damn you Bioware and your gay loving self!'

[Eclipse_9990]

Vicious wrote...

And to those who boo hoo for rivalry points for rejection? How about actually trying to ROLEPLAY instead of min/max for once? Because it pisses people off when you reject them.

Just suck it up and ROLE PLAY instead of 'oh noes i lost 5 points of friendship damn you Bioware and your gay loving self!'

Bioware knows that were gonna meta-game. Its all apart of their grand scheme to make us all gay! Why can't anyone else see this!?  /tinfoil hat

[Vicious]

Bioware knows that were gonna meta-game. Its all apart of their grand scheme to make us all gay! Why can't anyone else see this!? /tinfoil hat

/tinfoil hat

[Eclipse_9990]

Vicious wrote...

Bioware knows that were gonna meta-game. Its all apart of their grand scheme to make us all gay! Why can't anyone else see this!? /tinfoil hat

/tinfoil hat

Would you prefer I type /crazy theories?  

[ScotGaymer]

Vicious wrote...

What the hell is wrong with you people. Use the 'broken heart' dialogue symbol if you don't want a romance. It works EVERY FREAKIN TIME.

it's even in the manual. Click this if you want to end a romance or not start one. If you don't click it, you have no right to complain.

it's not impossible to decipher. It's in the manual and it's common sense.

They wont listen.

I and others have repeatedly told them you dont have to pick the tool option if your paying attention to the conversation prior to when Anders flirts with you. There are YouTube videos showing how its done. Not Reject Anders and Not Be A Tool.

But they wont listen and wont look because they are that busy going "ewww zomg! gai! " to actually pay any sort of attention. They are that used to just rattling through convos - which given how easy the conversations in this game are to navigate it baffles the mind that these people "see" no other option.

Hes a news flash people. Just because you are too impatient and/or stupid to pay attention and SEE how it is done; doesnt mean that it isnt there.
And as someone else said, Rivalry isnt disapproval as such. Its more like "I dont at all agree but I can respect you for it."

[Eclipse_9990]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Vicious wrote...

What the hell is wrong with you people. Use the 'broken heart' dialogue symbol if you don't want a romance. It works EVERY FREAKIN TIME.

it's even in the manual. Click this if you want to end a romance or not start one. If you don't click it, you have no right to complain.

it's not impossible to decipher. It's in the manual and it's common sense.

They wont listen.

I and others have repeatedly told them you dont have to pick the tool option if your paying attention to the conversation prior to when Anders flirts with you. There are YouTube videos showing how its done. Not Reject Anders and Not Be A Tool.

But they wont listen and wont look because they are that busy going "ewww zomg! gai! " to actually pay any sort of attention. They are that used to just rattling through convos - which given how easy the conversations in this game are to navigate it baffles the mind that these people "see" no other option.

Hes a news flash people. Just because you are too impatient and/or stupid to pay attention and SEE how it is done; doesnt mean that it isnt there.
And as someone else said, Rivalry isnt disapproval as such. Its more like "I dont at all agree but I can respect you for it."

I think you should read this.  Its written by the guy who made that Ctrl+Alt+Del Anders/Hawke comic. I think it shows why alot of people have a problem with this imo. 


"I made the decision to play through Dragon Age 2 as a good guy. I would be compassionate, helpful, I would be righteous and just, and I would be friends with everyone. It actually ended up working out alongside playing on Nightmare mode, because I really couldn't afford to turn down any offer of XP. I need every level and attribute point I can get to get past some of these fights.

I also felt that "good" was the road less traveled in Bioware games.

So I've been going to great lengths to consider my companions' personalities and reactions when it comes to my decisions, as well as my own feelings. I wanted Friendship points, not Rivarly points. So I was rather amused when I accepted Anders into my party.

Warning, minor spoilers ahead.

Everyone is familiar with the opportunity to have sexual relationships with your companions in recent Bioware games. Heterosexual, homosexual, whatever, it's all good, and it's all fair game. But generally you have to initiate these relationships by finding opportunities to flirt with your companions.

So imagine my surprise when, after helping Anders with a quest, he suddenly starts telling me how he and Karl would "comfort" eachother during their hard times in the Chantry, and how Karl was his first, and oh by the way, he thinks my Hawke is hot stuff.

Imagine my even greater surprise when, after this, my only response options are two choices to flirt back with him (heart icons), or an option to just shoot him down flat. And let me tell you, if you don't return Anders' advances, apparently he's not the kind of guy that handles rejection well. You either flirt back with him, or you're looking at an immediate 10-15 Rivalry points right off the bat.

In the end, I did the only thing I could. I ****d myself out for Friendship points. I'm a Friendship point ****. I assume that at this point, I've degraded my Hawke's self-esteem so much that he'd **** a god damned pineapple if he thought he'd get Friendship points out of it.So, if you haven't reached this part in the game yet, prepare yourself. Anders gets what Anders wants."

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 21 mars 2011 - 06:14 .

[Carlthestrange]

I ended up having a male-female relationship with Fenris. That voice of his is sexy as hell. Turning down Anders was easy. Guy does not appeal to me one bit.

[tmp7704]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I and others have repeatedly told them you dont have to pick the tool option if your paying attention to the conversation prior to when Anders flirts with you. There are YouTube videos showing how its done. Not Reject Anders and Not Be A Tool.

And you were asked to provide details beyond vague "it can be done". I have yet to see them.

A link to one of these youtube videos will be fine, thankyou.

[colex91]

You are getting offended at a in-game gay male hitting on you.















lol.

[AloraKast]

Apologies, I have yet to read all of the pages in this thread but I wanted to chime in with my 2 coppers.

I actually like the fact that most of the romance options are not dictated/limited by what gender your Hawke is (well, aside from Sebastian, who apparently will only respond to a female Hawke and ONLY if said female Hawke has refrained from flirting... what a party pooper). In addition to saving me the number of playthroughs I would have to do in order to experience this romance or that, it also tries to appeal to the hetero-, bi- and ******-sexual audience (I say tries, because whether it succeeds is entirely dependant upon whether the companion character itself appeals to the player). I don't get the sense that you have any kind of a relationship that you are not comfortable with forced upon you; you have a choice whether to pursue a relationship of the hetero- or ******-sexual nature and you also have a choice of putting a stop to that relationship before it gets any further. I found that this decision by Bioware of making most of the romance options compatible with any gender (as opposed to have a portion compatible with only one gender with perhaps one other companion that could cater to both, as we have seen previously) was a good move, one that appealed to me...

With respect to the options you are given in dealing with whether you wish to pursue a relationship... I would imagine they are different depending upon which companion you are having that conversation with and of course you have to consider what kind of a character your companion is. My only experience thus far is with Anders (i.e. shutting down the romance, as I might have flirted with him a bit, but decided to pursue Fenris). I understand what you are saying, that you are limited in the options you have, i.e. you have to either take him up on this offer or shut him out (harshly perhaps)... although in my playthrough my Hawke was female and my experience of letting him know that I was not interested was more akin to Anders responding by "Well, I am glad you have come to your senses/heeded my warning" - as in he was warning me that he would hurt me and that I am better off without being in a relationship with him.

But either way, I find that it is easy to get whatever friendship/approval you lost with Anders back throughout the game, at least for me, because of my general choices (i.e. supporting the mages), so really it's not that great a loss if you incur the 10 of 15 points of rivalry with him if you don't want to pursue a relationship with him.

As for the retconning of Anders... it's true, we didn't get to experience any romances in Awakening but I clearly got the impression that Anders was fond of the female gender. But I have to say that in my mind the Anders we meet in DA2 is more bi- than ******-sexual and, thus, it does not negate his fondness of females in Awakening.

Sorry for the rant... Guess my experience was a little bit different from yours, since I played a female Hawke that decided to pursue Fenris and remained faithful to him first (now playing a male Hawke that has taken a liking to Anders, but who is not above flirting shamelessly with everyone around ... ah, these characters have a mind of their own, I swear).

[AtreiyaN7]

Cody211282 wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

*headdesk* No one is forcing you into a relationship. Just reject any flirting and end of story?

But thats the point: You cant do it in a "nice" way!
Either you go for relationship, or you have to pi55 him off; here is no "im sorry, im not interest in THAT kind of friendship"-option.

Basicly there is no good way to friend zone him, I get the rvilry you get with him though, I don't like being shot down ether.

*sigh* And why does rejection always have to be nice? But that's besides the point. There were plenty of times where I saw the flirt option, and I was able to just ignore it (with Isabela and Merrill) and pick something else to discuss. That was the end of it - didn't get rivalry. I don't really remember specifics about Anders, but even if rivalry were the only option (from what I hear, it's not) - why is this such a big deal? There should be plenty of opportunities to make it up later if you're obsessed with getting his friendship up.

[Sad Dragon]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
why is this such a big deal?

I think the problem here comes from roleplaying. You get painted into a corner where you have no option that fits. Sadly the topic of the thread could be better as I don't think this is so much about the gay romance, as from what I have heard the same holds true if you play a femhawk -- the problem is that its more or less forced conversation with no good way out. My wise and normaly diplomatic Hawke should be able to end the romace in a better way than that, sexual preferances differing or no. The dialog tree was just a bit weak there, imho.
And before someone jumps to any conclusions: No this is not the fault of the Dialog Wheel mearly the specific dialog tree used.

It anoyed me a bit -- but so do every other time I feel that I have been left with no good option, as it simply breaks imersion for me.

I personaly don't mind that an NPC tries to initiate a romance, it makes the world feel more alive. My only question here is did we really need two romance options there or could we have added another way to take the conversation instead?

/TSD

[Ryzaki]

Ryzaki wrote...

ErebUs890 wrote...
I actually agree. I really like Anders as a character, but they didn't really give you much option, like when Anders asks "Am I making you uncomfortable?" your only options are

Rudely say yes and ****** him off
Hit on him
Hit on him

There really should have been a more open minded answer about it.

The option isn't really mean though. Hawke pretty much goes 'uh...stop." Anders takes it as more harsh than it really is. And Anders is overemotional. 

Maybe I'm insensitive or something but what Hawke said didn't sound mean. 

Here's the choice in question. 

Yeah I know my Hawke looks horrible. I threw him together in boredom. 

Hawke sounds soooo homophobic. *rolls eyes* 

And here's how to avoid that in the first place. 

I mean sounding supportive and kind making someone clingy and eager for affection latch on to you? You don't say? 

Izzy doesn't lose friendship because Izzy as she says is used to rejection. Anders on the other hand...

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 mars 2011 - 07:29 .

[tmp7704]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hawke sounds soooo homophobic. *rolls eyes* 

He comes across like an oaf and Anders is quite right to call him out on it in response.

And here's how to avoid that in the first place. 

So, the "solution" to avoid having to be rude to Anders is to be rude to him about different issue? This is hardly better and still doesn't really explain why people can't simply acknowledge that game fails to provide way to deal with Anders in friendly manner from beginning to end. Since well, it doesn't provide one.

Modifié par tmp7704, 21 mars 2011 - 07:49 .

[Freeway911]

I think Anders leans more towards the homosexual side of the coin there.

My male Hawke, not meaning to be a douche, says I don't want you thinking about me like that. Anders gets mad and I get +rival

My wifes Female Hawke says no to an advance and he is ok with that no +rival.

Honestly I think this game should have been setup like Origins where people had set sexualities and not based it on what gender Hawke is. I also don't see a problem with adding an openly gay character to the game as opposed to just bi characters if they keep to the idea of set sexuality.

[StowyMcStowstow]

I do't see what the problem is. Sure, the game could've been better and not forced you into a corner, as it tends to do, but there's no problem with shooting down Anders. You can make the points up on the next Anders quest. The only thing I didn't like was Isabella being a ****. You wanna know where the scale itch started? Isabella.

I wouldn't start a relationship with Fenris or Anders if I rolled that way. Why? Because they're massive tools. And they whine a lot.

[kreite]

I see where you coming from, but it's not too big of an issue to bother me all that much.

Strange, I only get 5 rivalry points when I do that.

[Rockpopple]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Vicious wrote...

What the hell is wrong with you people. Use the 'broken heart' dialogue symbol if you don't want a romance. It works EVERY FREAKIN TIME.

it's even in the manual. Click this if you want to end a romance or not start one. If you don't click it, you have no right to complain.

it's not impossible to decipher. It's in the manual and it's common sense.

They wont listen.

I and others have repeatedly told them you dont have to pick the tool option if your paying attention to the conversation prior to when Anders flirts with you. There are YouTube videos showing how its done. Not Reject Anders and Not Be A Tool.

But they wont listen and wont look because they are that busy going "ewww zomg! gai! " to actually pay any sort of attention. They are that used to just rattling through convos - which given how easy the conversations in this game are to navigate it baffles the mind that these people "see" no other option.

Hes a news flash people. Just because you are too impatient and/or stupid to pay attention and SEE how it is done; doesnt mean that it isnt there.
And as someone else said, Rivalry isnt disapproval as such. Its more like "I dont at all agree but I can respect you for it."

I think you should read this.  Its written by the guy who made that Ctrl+Alt+Del Anders/Hawke comic. I think it shows why alot of people have a problem with this imo. 


"I made the decision to play through Dragon Age 2 as a good guy. I would be compassionate, helpful, I would be righteous and just, and I would be friends with everyone. It actually ended up working out alongside playing on Nightmare mode, because I really couldn't afford to turn down any offer of XP. I need every level and attribute point I can get to get past some of these fights.

I also felt that "good" was the road less traveled in Bioware games.

So I've been going to great lengths to consider my companions' personalities and reactions when it comes to my decisions, as well as my own feelings. I wanted Friendship points, not Rivarly points. So I was rather amused when I accepted Anders into my party.

Warning, minor spoilers ahead.

Everyone is familiar with the opportunity to have sexual relationships with your companions in recent Bioware games. Heterosexual, homosexual, whatever, it's all good, and it's all fair game. But generally you have to initiate these relationships by finding opportunities to flirt with your companions.

So imagine my surprise when, after helping Anders with a quest, he suddenly starts telling me how he and Karl would "comfort" eachother during their hard times in the Chantry, and how Karl was his first, and oh by the way, he thinks my Hawke is hot stuff.

Imagine my even greater surprise when, after this, my only response options are two choices to flirt back with him (heart icons), or an option to just shoot him down flat. And let me tell you, if you don't return Anders' advances, apparently he's not the kind of guy that handles rejection well. You either flirt back with him, or you're looking at an immediate 10-15 Rivalry points right off the bat.

In the end, I did the only thing I could. I ****d myself out for Friendship points. I'm a Friendship point ****. I assume that at this point, I've degraded my Hawke's self-esteem so much that he'd **** a god damned pineapple if he thought he'd get Friendship points out of it.So, if you haven't reached this part in the game yet, prepare yourself. Anders gets what Anders wants."

See, this is the problem. This guy was leading Anders on, and so Anders tried to go further. Simple as that. If you're choosing the heartbreak choice this far into the relationship, of coooooourse you're gonna ****** him off and lose a bucketload of friendship points.

If he were to choose the heartbreak icon for Anders after first meeting him, way before the relationship got legs, the hit would have been minimal. He decided to lead him on. He gets what he gets. Roleplaying.

[Shirosaki17]

Freeway911 wrote...

I think Anders leans more towards the homosexual side of the coin there.

My male Hawke, not meaning to be a douche, says I don't want you thinking about me like that. Anders gets mad and I get +rival

My wifes Female Hawke says no to an advance and he is ok with that no +rival.

Honestly I think this game should have been setup like Origins where people had set sexualities and not based it on what gender Hawke is. I also don't see a problem with adding an openly gay character to the game as opposed to just bi characters if they keep to the idea of set sexuality.

Yeah but then you'd probably have gay people upset because they wouldn't have anyone to romance.

[Kajan451]

Nimpe wrote...

You don't have to be gay. But Anders is gay, and he hits on you. It's realistic. Everyone isn't going to wait for you to get romantic.

And if you flirt with someone you like, and they deny it, you're going to feel upset.

1) The problem isn't to be hit on. At least not for me. The problem is to getting punished for being not interrested.

2) If i fliert with a woman and she is not interrested its a "oh well" situation for me, because at that stage i am not investing anything into the whole thing. I am well aware it could go wrong. And if i would be gay, mind you.. what egoistic mindset do i need to sport to assume that all the other men have to be gay too? If i have to accept women to be lesbian, which is one of the first things I check before i get any hopes up or start hitting, then so should gay men being able to accept that there are actually people who do not want to hit on him.

And this Anders Moment really pissed me off too. Its like Zevran, except at least you do get small icons telling you before you accidently start something you didn't mean to, simply because you picked what appeared to be the sensible choise.

With Zevran i had that moment as well, when he was ogglin my warden and i thought i was sensible and told him i didn't mind him watching but to keep his distance. And suddenly i get accused to have sex with him.

With Anders it was similar. He keeps hitting on my champion, i was trying to be friendly and then get rewarded with rebuffing him for telling him i don't swing that way.

That moment wasn't as annoying as the Zevran thing, which really pissed me off, but it was still one of the "Yeah, sure" moments of the games.

[Ryzaki]

tmp7704 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Hawke sounds soooo homophobic. *rolls eyes* 

He comes across like an oaf and Anders is quite right to call him out on it in response.

Really? Didn't come across that way to me. Just a very awkward way of saying "do not want." I believe there is another way to reject him but it involves choosing a heart icon first before breaking it off. 

So, the "solution" to avoid having to be rude to Anders is to be rude to him about different issue? This is hardly better and still doesn't really explain why people can't simply acknowledge that game fails to provide way to deal with Anders in friendly manner from beginning to end. Since well, it doesn't provide one.

How is that rude? 

  

There wasn't anything hostile about the way Hawke said "I don't want you thinking about me that way.". It's not like Hawke called him a creep and to GTFO. 

Doesn't help that diplomatic already sounds flirty and come hither. 

Plus the aggresive option is more direct and less rude as the case maybe. 

And for the 20th time people rivalry is not a punishment. 

It's a different way of interaction. Frankly I prefer Rivalring Anders to start with. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 mars 2011 - 08:34 .

[Blacklash93]

Regarding Anders, he is indeed guilty of sexual harassment when he tries to kiss you. Well, I found him guilty and later in the game, when given the chance to do so, I killed him right away. Fair justice. f*g.

The first time it happened, with Fenris, wasn't so bad. I suspect this warrior elf is merely "bi-curious", I guess the term would be, because he wasn't nearly as persistent as the other (see below). Fenris made some comments about me being a good man or something, and I think he wanted to explore further down "that path". I had to deflect him from that line of dialog, and thankfully, he didn't seem to want to bring it up again -- no pun intended. Still, because of the discomfort he made me feel with that isolated incident, I was and am not comfortable inviting him into my party again. This is a shame, because he looks like an interesting character, and I feel somewhat cheated in terms of missing out on game content simply because of this character's misplaced and completely inappropriate sexual interest in mine.

These quotes basically sum up my thoughts on most of the people complaining about this.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 21 mars 2011 - 08:28 .

[Ryzaki]

...Wat.

You...got kissed by Anders....accidentally?

NO way in hell. You have to choose a flirt icon before it even occurs. Just no way.  

The kiss is even preceded by a dialogue wheel where I believe the bottom option is a "NO!" choice. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 mars 2011 - 08:29 .

[mikeburns]

Will these inane "I'm ok with gays but not in my game wahhhh wahhh wahhh" threads ever end?

Ugh.

[BSWeaZL]

You can turn him down and gain friendship if you say:

"It happens a lot."

"You did the right thing."

When he asks if he is making you uncomfortable: "No"

The next selection has the real flirt option but choose the diplomatic choice: "I'm sorry."