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[TexasToast712]

As we all know from the Riordan wannabe Warden  and Nathaniel something strange is happening and the Wardens are looking into it but more importantly, by the end of DAII,the **** has hit the fan and all of Thedas is about to be engulfed in war. The Wardens wont be able to ignore a World War and will eventually have to get involved. The question is, what part will the Wardens play in the war to come?

[Raiil]

Possibilities include:



The Wardens attempt to stay neutral and set up safe havens, becoming Thedas's factional Switzerland.

The Wardens eventually have to choose a side, this changing the Wardens forever.


The Wardens themselves are torn as various Wardens take various sides.


The Darkspawn reform and zerg rush Thedas, and they remain occupied.


Whatever the MacGuffin for DA3 is, it has to do the with the Wardens, most likely they have information and/or immunity that can save Thedas.


Any other guesses?

[NamiraWilhelm]

Honestly, whatever is going on ill never fathom. That cliff hanger has me bamboozled, good on you Bioware!

Cant wait though!

[TheCreeper]

Wardens have their own crisis so I doubt they will involve themselves in a war that by their own rules they aren't suppose to involve themselves in anyways. Although if mages who don't want to get inolved in the Templar war I could see the Grey Wardens getting a large number of mages wanting to join, which will probably angry the templars but I have my doubts that the templars would actually start a war with the grey wardens.

[Jiggasaurus]

Grey Wardens prioritise in killing Darkspawn, which is their war. Their only motivation for getting involved in the war would be from Darkspawn influence, think of the major territorial battles that have already existed in Thedas that they play no part in whether it is militarily or politically motivated or even both.

They reside in the Anderfels one of the most extreme areas of Thedas, their very existence is a battle.

[TexasToast712]

Valentia X wrote...

Possibilities include:



The Wardens attempt to stay neutral and set up safe havens, becoming Thedas's factional Switzerland.

The Wardens eventually have to choose a side, this changing the Wardens forever.


The Wardens themselves are torn as various Wardens take various sides.


The Darkspawn reform and zerg rush Thedas, and they remain occupied.


Whatever the MacGuffin for DA3 is, it has to do the with the Wardens, most likely they have information and/or immunity that can save Thedas.


Any other guesses?

Those all sound like good guesses to me.

[TheJediSaint]

The actions of the Grey Wardens as a whole may be dictated by the choices the player made as THE Warden in DA:O. That would certainly be a neat way for Bioware to tell the Warden's story without all the technical problems with him/her actually showing up in the game. Being the one responsible for defeating the Fifth Blight, his/her example would carry great weight with the rest of Thedas' wardens.

[errant_knight]

They'll do whatever looks most likely to help them combat any future blight and the darkspawn. Of course, wardens in various areas might not agree about what that is, and may not follow orders from Weisshaupt if they disagree strongly. And some may be swayed by nationalism. They're supposed to put all that aside, but not everyone always does what they're supposed to.

[TheCreeper]

The problem with grey wardens getting involved is that the warden leadership really frowns on that. The First Warden got mad at Allistar and The Warden for their involvment in the Civil War, and the Civil War was directly hurting efforts to stop the blight.

[Raiil]

TheCreeper wrote...

The problem with grey wardens getting involved is that the warden leadership really frowns on that. The First Warden got mad at Allistar and The Warden for their involvment in the Civil War, and the Civil War was directly hurting efforts to stop the blight.

Was that in a codex or something? I must have missed it, the only thing I've gotten from the first warden is a letter about him, not from him personally.

[Emzamination]

The wardens themselves aren't really worth much either way but the hero of ferelden could seriously turn the tide which is why leliana is looking for meh but then again unless bioware gives us control of our hero again Idk which side he or she will be on...

 

[TexasToast712]

Emzamination wrote...

The wardens themselves aren't really worth much either way but the hero of ferelden could seriously turn the tide which is why leliana is looking for meh but then again unless bioware gives us control of our hero again Idk which side he or she will be on...

 

Simply go back to the old dialogue system and make our imported Hawke as a companion that acts depending on how you played him in DAII. Although I would prefer to just give the Warden a voice and keep the new dialogue system.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 18 mars 2011 - 10:17 .

[errant_knight]

The warden's aren't really worth much? They're established as being the toughest, most highly skilled warriors in Thedas.

[Emzamination]

errant_knight wrote...

The warden's aren't really worth much? They're established as being the toughest, most highly skilled warriors against Darkspawn in Thedas.

Fixed

History has proven wardens are pretty lousy in regular wars.

[TheJediSaint]

TexasToast712 wrote...
Simply go back to the old dialogue system and make our imported Hawke as a companion that acts depending on how you played him in DAII. Although I would prefer to just give the Warden a voice and keep the new dialogue system.

   That would require at least SIX Voice actors to do properly, which would take way too much space on the disk as well as cost too much.  Better to keep the warden on the sidlines to better develop Hawke.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 18 mars 2011 - 10:35 .

[Vicious]

The Wardens pick the wrong side and are crushed, except for a few scattered here and there, the order is mostly destroyed.

Because let's face it. The blight is over before it started, only Ferelden is reminded of the greatness of Grey Wardens. No one else gives a hoot, no one else knows the secret of the Archdemons.


I see Weisshaupt getting razed due to the myopic views of Kings and Emperors.

It would be a fun way to show how bad the crap is hitting the fan in Thedas.

[Casuist]

as the Wardens go so goes the Anderfels and vice versa, and given a tendency towards piety and a boder shared with tevinter I imagine they'll end up as sometime allies of the chantry. The curious thing is that the warden's actions may have set up an additional pole of grey warden influence in Ferelden, and those two heads may not necessarily end up moving in the same direction.

[gombie]

doubt they will have much involvement in the next game, if its set on orlais and centered around the war. then the wardens will probably show up during some deep road parts but not taking a major role.

also i doubt the hero will return again, the champion/hero are small(er) players in the dragon age plot.

[TexasToast712]

TheJediSaint wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
Simply go back to the old dialogue system and make our imported Hawke as a companion that acts depending on how you played him in DAII. Although I would prefer to just give the Warden a voice and keep the new dialogue system.

   That would require at least SIX Voice actors to do properly, which would take way too much space on the disk as well as cost too much.  Better to keep the warden on the sidlines to better develop Hawke.

Nah, I think I will just play as the Warden.

[Zalocx]

The Wardens would probably not take a side in the mage rebellion or any Qunari war. The Wardens exist to fight Darkspawn. Other things only matter if they DIRECTLY affect the fight against the Darkspawn. The last Blight ended only years ago, most likely there will not be another for centuries. The Wardens could probably care less about the surface world right now

[Dean_the_Young]

I wouldn't be surprised if, while attempting to be neutral as a whole, various Warden groups break off and follow their countries for the War. Especially in the cases of Ferelden (where there's a large probability of a Warden King, and in which Amaranthine more or less means some Wardens have to follow the crown), and Orlais (where the Orlesian Wardens are implied to be highly involved in the Empress's court).

Nothing personal, per say, and perhaps even the sort of Warhammer 40K where different factions of the side fight eachother while still being allied against the greater threat. Wardens are that particular brand of crazy where they might fight eachother one day, and then fight with eachother the next for the bigger threat of the Darkspawn.

Otherwise? Wardens might make great cores of the soldiers, rallying and giving a disproportionate edge to the forces they work with, but there simply aren't enough of them to be their own armies.

[Harcken]

I have a feeling the Wardens are going to busy with some darkspawn threat in future games. Maybe the architect or something.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The First Warden clearly wants the Wardens to be involved in politics. Like Woolsey said, the Wardens want to be important, blight or no.

So what could they do in the upcoming conflict? In the mage vs Templars conflict, I think they'd remain neutral for the most part. But since I believe this is just one layer of a larger conflict coming up (Morrigan and Flemeth related most probably), I think they are going to follow up on Morrigan's warnings. And perhaps fight Flemeth. Or join her. But I do not see them being neutral for long, once the "big change" comes into play.

The First Warden will likely see this as an opportunity to expand the role of the Wardens. Though how much control he exerts over Wardens everywhere in Thedas is not really known. Furthermore, we have to remember that Avernus says that his research might empower Wardens against demons. If DA2 is any indication (a not so subtle one at that), demons are going to be very prominent in the future, especially during a mage rebellion.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 mars 2011 - 11:53 .

[Dean_the_Young]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The First Warden clearly wants the Wardens to be involved in politics. Like Woolsey said, the Wardens want to be important, blight or no.

So what could they do in the upcoming conflict? In the mage vs Templars conflict, I think they'd remain neutral for the most part. But since I believe this is just one layer of a larger conflict coming up (Morrigan and Flemeth related most probably), I think they are going to follow up on Morrigan's warnings. And perhaps fight Flemeth. Or join her. But I do not see them being neutral for long, once the "big change" comes into play.

The First Warden will likely see this as an opportunity to expand the role of the Wardens. Though how much control he exerts over Wardens everywhere in Thedas is not really known. Furthermore, we have to remember that Avernus says that his research might empower Wardens against demons. If DA2 is any indication (a not so subtle one at that), demons are going to be very prominent in the future, especially during a mage rebellion.

Could you expand upon that? I know about how Avernus is looking into drawing out the power of the Darkspawn, but the only relation I can recall in regards to demons is that the demons know nothing of Darkspawn, and so had no advantage against it.

Come to think about it, I wonder how many tests Avernus now runs on darkspawn. Wouldn't that be something to muse about?


Back to your main post:

As far as nations go, I see an even greater decentralization of the Warden order at hand. With the rise of nationalism, and notable nationalistic Wardens (Loghain, the potential Warden King, the Wardens of Amaranthine, the Orlesian Court), I don't see the Wardens as being able to keep themselves completely uninvolved.

I could, however, see it 'not mattering' as far as the Order as a whole is concerned. The Wardens as a whole might be neutral, but the Warden chapters of each nation might (or might not, depending on how successful/willing they are to be neutral) become freely intwined with their nation's calls, not as representatives of the Wardens as a whole but as national branches. So when Amaranthine is called upon to march, some of its wardens march as well. If these Wardens come to fight oppossing Wardens... well, they fight. And kill eachother.

The Wardens do anything for victory. And in this case, the greater victory comes from being relied upon and trusted even when they face eachother across the battlefield, so that they can extract greater concessions from the rulers that seek to use them. So in war they might fight eachother, with the knowledge and understanding that as soon as the fighting dies down they might well fight beside eachother again.  And all the while, certain... understandings might be taken advantage of, like a free means to transfer knowledge between sides, and shape the conflict itself to the Wardens' advantage.

Or something conspiratorial and inhumane like that.