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[Piwowarski84]

 With all the issues being pointed out by people, I have one that really bugs me...The main character can end up being a blood mage, with no repercussions whatsoever and then move on to fight other blood mages...because blood magic is evil? I enjoyed the story told by the game, i really did - even Anders going 'imma firin mah lazor!' at the chantry made sense given all he's been through.

But me being a blood mage fighting other blood mages made no sense whatsoever. 

Why was this specialization put in the game if it had no impact on your playthrough? The arcane warrior from DAO could have just as easily been used, but wouldn't cause such glaring plot conflicting issues.

[Raiil]

Game mechanics and probably some dialogue options. I guess it's there for people who really want to rebel within the game?

[Akron1983]

Blood magic is as evil as its user.

[Taleroth]

Yeah, when you pick Blood Mage you shouldn't fight other Blood Mages. You should just let them kill you.

[Piwowarski84]

Akron1983 wrote...

Blood magic is as evil as its user.

Tell that to the Templars - they condemn every blood mage. With the exception of Jovain in DAO there aren't any good blood mages of note (and Jovain is just as questionable).

[SDNcN]

Piwowarski84 wrote...

Akron1983 wrote...

Blood magic is as evil as its user.

Tell that to the Templars - they condemn every blood mage. With the exception of Jovain in DAO there aren't any good blood mages of note (and Jovain is just as questionable).

I would count Merrill as a good blood mage.
Being horribly naive isn't the same as being evil.

[Akron1983]

Piwowarski84 wrote...

Akron1983 wrote...

Blood magic is as evil as its user.

Tell that to the Templars - they condemn every blood mage. With the exception of Jovain in DAO there aren't any good blood mages of note (and Jovain is just as questionable).

Still, theres nothing that says that blood magic makes you evil. Perhaps it more sought after by people with "evil" intents but blood magic itself is not evil.

[Piwowarski84]

Taleroth wrote...

Yeah, when you pick Blood Mage you shouldn't fight other Blood Mages. You should just let them kill you.

Way to twist my words. If I was allowed to dabble with blood magic, why was I not allowed to side with blood mages? The game forces me to kill them, even though I should theoretically be leading their revolution (instead of being forced to quell it by Meredith).

RE: above - do note how you obtain the specialization in DAO - through a pact with a demon. Since DAO it has been shown that only people with questionable morals dabble in blood magic research. Even Avernus - a warden mage - was not a positive character.

Modifié par Piwowarski84, 18 mars 2011 - 10:27 .

[Taleroth]

Part of that is because outside of your party, everyone in DA2 is a jerk. The non-jerks can be counted on one hand.

Piwowarski84 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Yeah, when you pick Blood Mage you shouldn't fight other Blood Mages. You should just let them kill you.

Way to twist my words. If I was allowed to dabble with blood magic, why was I not allowed to side with blood mages? The game forces me to kill them, even though I should theoretically be leading their revolution (instead of being forced to quell it by Meredith).

Not being able to join Thrask's revolution is a completely seperate issue from Blood Mages.

Modifié par Taleroth, 18 mars 2011 - 10:26 .

[Medhia Nox]

Yes, that's true - it is sought out more by people with evil intent - in fact, no good mage NPC in the game would ever touch blood magic. Wynne and Irving come to mind.

[Piwowarski84]

Tal - read my OP - I would have no issues with not being able to join Thrask IF the BM specialization was unavailable to me. As is, this game mechanic conflicts greatly with the plot.

[Akron1983]

Piwowarski84 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Yeah, when you pick Blood Mage you shouldn't fight other Blood Mages. You should just let them kill you.

Way to twist my words. If I was allowed to dabble with blood magic, why was I not allowed to side with blood mages? The game forces me to kill them, even though I should theoretically be leading their revolution (instead of being forced to quell it by Meredith).

RE: above - do note how you obtain the specialization in DAO - through a pact with a demon. Since DAO it has been shown that only people with questionable morals dabble in blood magic research. Even Avernus - a warden mage - was not a positive character.

The pact with a demon is not required to use Blood Magic, as far as I know. If someone knows for sure feel free to correct me on this. But the impression I got is that blood magic is used like any other magic when using Lyrium. The blood, or life force Im guessing, is used as a substitute for lyrium.

[Icy Magebane]

What are you people talking about? Blood Magic is probably the most powerful spec for a mage. Why wouldn't you use it? It doesn't actually make you evil... I was a goody-two-shoes (mostly) and I used blood magic in every fight I could!

The OP is right... if it was supposed to be "evil" regardless of the user's intent, then it didn't need to be a spec. I'm glad it was however, because blood magic owns.

[Piwowarski84]

We're not questioning the utility of the spec - I think everyone will agree with you on this. It's just how badly it meshes with the story is my problem.

[Icy Magebane]

Valentia X wrote...

Game mechanics and probably some dialogue options. I guess it's there for people who really want to rebel within the game?

I should have just quoted that... and another comment or two with a similar point...

Anyway, I agree completely that chosing the spec should have mattered.   I don't really know what more to say... they dropped the ball.  This game could have, and probably should have, had a lot more depth and variation.  Don't make a game about mages vs. templars if being a mage has no effect on the storyline... or at least explain why nobody cared when I used blood magic all over town, right in front of city guards, etc.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 18 mars 2011 - 10:47 .

[TheCreeper]

I imagine no one really comments because unlike every other blood mage in kirkwall you don't work with demons and or eat babies, so maybe they think you aren't really a blood mage.

[TexasToast712]

Its dangerous in that Blood magic allows the mage to control the minds of others. THAT is why its dangerous.

[TexasToast712]

Akron1983 wrote...

Piwowarski84 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Yeah, when you pick Blood Mage you shouldn't fight other Blood Mages. You should just let them kill you.

Way to twist my words. If I was allowed to dabble with blood magic, why was I not allowed to side with blood mages? The game forces me to kill them, even though I should theoretically be leading their revolution (instead of being forced to quell it by Meredith).

RE: above - do note how you obtain the specialization in DAO - through a pact with a demon. Since DAO it has been shown that only people with questionable morals dabble in blood magic research. Even Avernus - a warden mage - was not a positive character.

The pact with a demon is not required to use Blood Magic, as far as I know. If someone knows for sure feel free to correct me on this. But the impression I got is that blood magic is used like any other magic when using Lyrium. The blood, or life force Im guessing, is used as a substitute for lyrium.

This.

Its just using your blood (or others. BAD!) instead of lyrium to power your spells, but Blood Magic poses a another threat in that you can use it as a form of mind control which makes it to dangerous to be practiced because in the wrong hands it can be huge trouble.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 18 mars 2011 - 10:52 .

[SovereignofDeath]

Yeah I have to agree with the OP here. After choosing blood mage specialization I thought the dialog would change as to where I would stop fighting the blood mages and start allying with them. It was rather annoying when the dialog kept assuming that hawke, or atleast my version of hawke, was against blood magic.

I mean if i'm a practitioner of the same thing these people are using, and i've done just about every "evil" choice I could in the game, such as bargaining with the demon and reading the evil tome and specing in blood magic, I don't see why the dialog and story wouldn't adjust accordingly.

[Captain_Obvious]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Its dangerous in that Blood magic allows the mage to control the minds of others. THAT is why its dangerous.

It does that of course, but to me (I am a historian) it really comes down the question of do the ends justify the means?  Ah, the question with no objective answer.  I freaking love those kinds of questions. 

[SmokeyTheBear]

That's why you roll Force Mage and Spirit Healer.

It makes your party unkillable.

[Piwowarski84]

SmokeyTheBear wrote...

That's why you roll Force Mage and Spirit Healer.

It makes your party unkillable.

So do endless ability points from Maker's Sigh -.- Had I known about the bug before using the potion I would have planned my character up more carefully. That said - this is only true if your party is made up of high constitution characters. Getting 'Unstoppable' on Hard was a **** when assassins and casters would oneshot kill the more fragile of my party members (rogues and Anders to be specific).

Modifié par Piwowarski84, 18 mars 2011 - 11:06 .

[Nimander]

The reason that you usually need to seek a demon for it, at least in Ferelden and maybe the Marches, is the Chantry destroyed records of it. Heck, one of the plots in the game is destroying books on blood magic so no one can learn about it, so OBVIOULSY you can learn outside of demons, it's just really darn hard without anyone or anything to teach you.

As for evil, it could go either way. Way too much about Blood Magic is told by the POV of the people involved.

[vigna]

Magic is to serve man..........................Watch out the spell book is really a cook book!

[AlexXIV]

In Bioware games you often have to make a sharp cut between game mechanics and story.

I think they want you to be able to play the class, for the lulz or whatever.

But they don't really want you to 'roleplay' a bloodmage.