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[DeathStride]

 After all that game-long build up and numerous quests to help Merill restore the Eluvian, all we get is a dead end where we have to kill Marethari? Shouldn't this story arc be inextricably entwined with the Morrigan Witch Hunt DLC plot? This would have been another great way to link DA2 and DA:O stories and help bridge the disconnect that so many players feel exists between the two games. 

Why do I get the terrible feeling that Bioware purposely left that plotline unfinished in order to milk it with more DLC... Maybe I'm just getting swept up in the anti-BW sentiment, getting caught up in the mob holding torches outside BW's door screaming for blood. Perhaps there was no sinister intent behind it- maybe there just wasn't enough time or enough space on the disc to address it. If so, I apologize, but my disappointment remains unabated.

Callout to BioWare employees(specifically David Gaider, but any feedback is welcome): Can anyone explain why this was left out, whether it will be addressed eventually, and when if so?

Modifié par DeathStride, 18 mars 2011 - 10:24 .

[TexasToast712]

My beloved Morrigan is the ONLY reason I helped Merrill rebuild that blasted mirror. Now that I know it does nothing, I always rival romance her and get her to break it.

[Brockololly]

Yeah, the whole Eluvian thing with Merril was one big nothing since you didn't learn diddly poo about it at all. Even if it didn't directly involve Morrigan I was hoping we'd learn more lore about them or how they worked, but everything about them was pretty much just rehashed from Witch Hunt and Origins.

[Icy Magebane]

Witch Hunt import flags are not recognized by DA2... well they carry over but have no effect on this game. It's something they have planned for later, as I understand it.

[SDNcN]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, the whole Eluvian thing with Merril was one big nothing since you didn't learn diddly poo about it at all. Even if it didn't directly involve Morrigan I was hoping we'd learn more lore about them or how they worked, but everything about them was pretty much just rehashed from Witch Hunt and Origins.

Well we learned demons can use them to get into the mortal world.

Other than that the entire mirror plot was about Merrill's lack of self worth and her desire to help her people.
Not everything needs to revolve around Morrigan/OGB/Flemeth to be importaint.

[TheJediSaint]

SDNcN wrote...

Well we learned demons can use them to get into the mortal world.

Other than that the entire mirror plot was about Merrill's lack of self worth and her desire to help her people.
Not everything needs to revolve around Morrigan/OGB/Flemeth to be importaint.

Totally agree, Morrigan did not show up because she didnt NEED to show up, simple as that.  Merrill's plot was one of the most engaging and moving in DA2, having Morrigan pop her head out of the complete mirror to say hi would have detracted from the storyline, not add to it.

[TJPags]

DeathStride wrote...

 After all that game-long build up and numerous quests to help Merill restore the Eluvian, all we get is a dead end where we have to kill Marethari? Shouldn't this story arc be inextricably entwined with the Morrigan Witch Hunt DLC plot? This would have been another great way to link DA2 and DA:O stories and help bridge the disconnect that so many players feel exists between the two games. 

Why do I get the terrible feeling that Bioware purposely left that plotline unfinished in order to milk it with more DLC... Maybe I'm just getting swept up in the anti-BW sentiment, getting caught up in the mob holding torches outside BW's door screaming for blood. Perhaps there was no sinister intent behind it- maybe there just wasn't enough time or enough space on the disc to address it. If so, I apologize, but my disappointment remains unabated.

Callout to BioWare employees(specifically David Gaider, but any feedback is welcome): Can anyone explain why this was left out, whether it will be addressed eventually, and when if so?

Bold italic - if true, pretty sad.

However, As DA2 doesn't read any WH flags, it seems to me it wasn't designed to expand on WH.  I could be wrong, but I'm getting the impression WH was just a sop to people who liked Morrigan and wanted to know where that plot went (not that WH told us)  Again, maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe it factors into DA3 or something.

But personally, I didn't expect DA2 to expand the mirror plotline, even when I found out Merrill apparently had the exact one that factored into the DE origin story.  Not sure why I didn't expect that, but at least I wasn't disappointed on learning it didn't.

[TexasToast712]

SDNcN wrote...
Not everything needs to revolve around Morrigan/OGB/Flemeth to be importaint.

LIES!

I WANT SOME ****ING CLOSURE!

[Icy Magebane]

Cameos are fine, but more than enough characters from DA:O made an appearance... WH as optional DLC with no bearing on Hawke or Kirkwall. I don't see how it matters, really. If anything, you might see Morrigan again if the series ever winds up in the Black City, since apparently that's where she went. I wouldn't expect any kind of conclusion this early though... hell, IF the OGB exists, he's only 9 years old by the end of DA2. Kind of young to be relevant to the story...

[Tigerman123]

The fact you didn't get anything out of it (well apart from what you can scavenge from the corpse of an old woman) was kind of the point, after all you're consistently warned off pacts with Demons and told that the Eluvian is irredeemably corrupted, so if we hadn't been conditioned by almost every other companion quest ever into thinking that it's natural for them to succeed, you'd think it was a poor choice to go up the mountain, but it's very refreshing that it was!

[TheJediSaint]

TexasToast712 wrote...

I WANT SOME ****ING CLOSURE!

Let me start by saying that Morrigan's romance plot was my favorite from DA:O.  The reason for that is because it is a tragic romance, doomed from the start and made all the more beautiful because of it. 

Morrigan is so set in her ways by being raised by Flemeth that she is incapable of living normal and happy life, despite however much she wishes it.  On the same note, a Grey Warden's duty is more imporant than their personall life.  Even without a Blight, a Warden's duty to fight the darkspawn first and foremost.

If you want closure, well I'm sorry to say you won't find it .  It is not because Bioware was too lazy to finish Morrigan's story with the Warden.  It is because her story with the Warden is finished, it ended when in DA:O with WH serving as an extended epilogue..  But the overiding theme of Morrigans romance is that she and the Warden cannot be toghether because they have mutually exclusive goals.  It is sad and tragic, but also beautiful and very moving.

[TexasToast712]

TheJediSaint wrote...
 But the overiding theme of Morrigans romance is that she and the Warden cannot be toghether because they have mutually exclusive goals.  It is sad and tragic, but also beautiful and very moving.

Tell that to my Warden who went through the Eluvian with her. Pfft.....cant be together my ass.

[FLStyle]

Agree with OP, the devs dropped the ball on that plotline.

[TheJediSaint]

That's true, but she also made the point that doing that would be a very bad idea. And there is also the fact that by going through the mirror, the Warden is forsaking their duty.

[TheBlackBaron]

TheJediSaint wrote...
Totally agree, Morrigan did not show up because she didnt NEED to show up, simple as that.  Merrill's plot was one of the most engaging and moving in DA2, having Morrigan pop her head out of the complete mirror to say hi would have detracted from the storyline, not add to it.

She doesn't need to pop her head out of the mirror, I agree that'd be distracting and stupid. But they could have at least used the opportunity to impart some more information on the damn things, as opposed to just rehashing what was learned from Origins and Witch Hunt. 

[specter7237]

TheJediSaint wrote...

That's true, but she also made the point that doing that would be a very bad idea. And there is also the fact that by going through the mirror, the Warden is forsaking their duty.

Haha yeah, but I don't think a lot of our wardens could give a rat's ass.  The Warden stopped a blight almost singlehandedly after being conscripted, probably against his/her will.  If anyone deserved a warden retirement plan...

[Zalocx]

We know there used to be alot of mirrors in Arlathan, How do we spontaneously assume they all go the same place? How do we know that a tainted then broken mirror "purified" by Blood Magic can even link to an unbroken, untainted one? Why is the only impetus for HAWKE to investigate the Eluvian to look for a Morrigan tie in? Hawke barely knows who Morrigan is and wouldn't realize the significance of the Eluvian beyond "its an old elvish Mirror that Merril has", anymore intrest seems like really bad metagaming from the player's part

[Gabey5]

we knew from months ago she wasn't gonna appear.

[Icy Magebane]

specter7237 wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

That's true, but she also made the point that doing that would be a very bad idea. And there is also the fact that by going through the mirror, the Warden is forsaking their duty.

Haha yeah, but I don't think a lot of our wardens could give a rat's ass.  The Warden stopped a blight almost singlehandedly after being conscripted, probably against his/her will.  If anyone deserved a warden retirement plan...

Thank you.  Most of my Wardens were pretty self-serving.  Being a Warden was either a way to abuse magic without the Templars being able to say anything or become rich and famous, usually both.  Being Chancellor is important, but my canon Warden would not give that up if agents from Weisshaupt came calling.

[Zalocx]

TexasToast712 wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...
 But the overiding theme of Morrigans romance is that she and the Warden cannot be toghether because they have mutually exclusive goals.  It is sad and tragic, but also beautiful and very moving.

Tell that to my Warden who went through the Eluvian with her. Pfft.....cant be together my ass.

Considering her "must do what needs to be done" mindset and this is hardly the first time she has put aside her feelings to further her plan (i.e. running away at the end of Origins) Coupled with the fact that she spoke very gravly at the end of Witch Hunt about how the Warden and her needed to go their seperate ways and how he would never meet her again "if they were both fortunate" and the overtly sweet and artificial tone she takes with the "come, my love let us go together" option at the drop of a hat despite the previous gloom and doom. . . .

I would not be surprised if she shanks the Warden as soon as they emerge on the other side and before he gets his bearings and then tosses his body in a ditch. . . regretfully of course

Its a perfect way to "End the Warden's tale" on a note that fits with Morrigan's whole "raised by an evil witch to use men Black Widow" character:devil:

Modifié par Zalocx, 19 mars 2011 - 12:01 .

[Blacklash93]

Forget Morrigan. I just wanted at least a few hints to what the world "beyond the fade" was.

[DiablosShadows]

So Merril never finishes the mirror??

[OmegaBlue0231]

The plotline had nothing to do with Morrigan and everything to do with Merrill.

There, answered it for you.

[DrowNoble]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Witch Hunt import flags are not recognized by DA2... well they carry over but have no effect on this game. It's something they have planned for later, as I understand it.

The import pretty much does nothing regardless.  A few dialogue comments, such as warden from DAO being male or female are about it.  It seems that Bioware, for whatever reason, wanted this to be a completely separate game.  Odd that it's a "sequel" that seems to have very little to do with the original.

Importing here seems to have a vastly less effect than importing in ME2.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Am I the only one who didn't connect Merril's Eluvian obsession to the Morrigan sideplot at all? -.-