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[Abispa]

DA takes place in a big world, supposedly, and it would be insanely easy to have a series of adventures taking place all over that world where Morrigan and Allistar's "demon baby" never show up. Adolf Hitler and Ghandi had HUGE impact on our world, yet one can base an entire adventure movie during the time either was in power and never have either of them show up.

[Punahedan]

Um.

DA2 takes place no more than a decade after we hear of the godbaby. Firstly, the child would hardly be grown enough to do diddly squat.

Secondly, why are people having trouble understanding that the Dragon Age series is about Thedas, not about the Warden and his/her companions only? I'm glad to have variety, and I'm glad to visit different problems, and glad to see that you can have destructive forces like the Archdemon and political / social problems. It becomes a much more robust world.

[Laurelinde]

Flemeth and Morrigan's motivations have always been left an enigma, deliberately, so it seems likely that they will be back in DA3 to tie the two threads of Warden and Hawke's stories together and answer the questions of what exactly they are and what they are planning once and for all. For 'canon' purposes I believe it is the story of a male human noble Warden who had a godbaby with Morrigan, and a male mage Hawke who sided with the mages. However there are so many imponderables and variations now that I imagine it will be difficult to make a story for DA3 that fits all of them, since it's kind of like a multiverse with a staggering number and type of Wardens and Hawkes and a whole load of companions and NPCs whose lives are totally different on different playthroughs. I don't envy Bioware trying to make save importing work next time round, though I expect the plot of the story was worked out long ago anyway.

[Suron]

David Gaider wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...
Are we just forgetting that whole major plot point now?

Nope.

Are they ever going to explain what the bloody hell that was all about?

Very possibly.

doesn't matter if you do or not.  Because the "choices" you use as a selling point for your games are trite.  Bringing Anders/Leliana back despite them literally dying in our previous plays shows this.

If you're going to tout "choices" and let us import previous games..yet ignore what you feel like..don't bother...just set your canon storyline and don't bother letting us import anything..because it literally means absolutely nothing.  And is just an insult.

Yes I agree you should be able to bring characters back that you think would be good for your story direction..but NOT if you're going to allow us to import games and use "choices" as a selling point for your games.

"Our games allow REAL CHOICES.  Well unless we decide to ignore anything we feel like.  but you can make CHOICES! HURRAY!"

[TexasToast712]

Anyone who didnt take Morrigan's ritual is stupid. You have a chance to save yourself from certain death. Unless you are a emo hell bent on killing yourself, why wouldnt you do the ritual?

[Wingzero87]

I don't think the imports actually carry across all the decisions and actions that were made during origins. Small things like who died during quest x were probably written off in favour of the actual story being told so Zevran and Lelianna appearing in DA2, mostly for the story esp if you bring Isabella.

I think the imported files carry across the main plot devices, such as did you side with Carrigan or Branka, Elves or Werewolves, Templars or Mages, who was set to Rule Fereldan And whether or not you let the Architect live in Awakenings.

Since Flemeth mentions that Morrigan neither knows if she is her daughter or enemy, I choose to believe that the OGB is being considered but not explicitly so. Also I think BW has mentioned that there are certain hooks throughout the game that help carry across/include certain parts of information such as Sebastians DLC and your character imports from Awakenings and Origins. But I don't think they are in place for Witch Hunt, same way that they are not in place for Leilannas Song even though Sketch gets a cameo.

[GreyLord]

Well, what really happened is that they travelled to some other world, and landed in a place near Candlekeep.  Devastation occurred, we aren't quite certain what, but they got wasted and the baby orphaned.  It was taken up and mistaken to be a child of Bhaal.  It grew up travelled to places like Baldurs Gate, the Sword Coast, Athkala, and eventually assumed the mantel of immortality.

[Abispa]

@ TexasToast712 -- Why wouldn't you do the ritual? Maybe because you don't know if Morrigan is lying? Sure, she gets all misty eyed at times, but even she admits that she knows how to manipulate people. Heck, there I was, an elf rogue, saving MY FATHER from Tevinter slavers, and Morrigan gets pissed at me because I don't allow the evil mage to murder MY FATHER and MY FRIENDS I GREW UP WITH so I could get some cool super powers. She thinks keeping the Anvil of the Void, which creates golems by killing people, is a good idea. Why assume that just because she's in your party that she isn't playing you for a sucker? I wouldn't be surprised if she charms and kills the Warden after they go through the mirror as part of some blood magic ritual.

[TexasToast712]

MissNet wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
Anyone who didnt take Morrigan's ritual is stupid. You have a chance to save yourself from certain death. Unless you are a emo hell bent on killing yourself, why wouldnt you do the ritual?

i didn't take the ritual. Loghain killed Archdemon to atone for what he's done. I'm alive, long live King Alistair, everyone is happy. Am i stupid?

Yes because you hardened Alistair's cool personality just so you could keep him around AND have Loghain you heartless shrew!
*cries in corner*

Modifié par TexasToast712, 19 mars 2011 - 02:09 .

[Rafe34]

MissNet wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
Yes because you hardened Alistair's cool personality just so you could keep him around AND have Loghain you heartless shrew!
*cries in corner*

ya know, i kill Alistair on some of my playthroughs, that makes me even worse person i guess   beside, his personality in DA2 seems restored back to beeing funny and cool, so my bad influence was temporarily )

anyway, i don't believe Morrigan even when she make puppy eyes in Witch Hunt and i think that time of Old Gods is over. let them be where they are. Thedas has enough problems already.

Then would you kill Sandal too? Or is he harmless enough?

[Alex Kershaw]

Gabey5 wrote...

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THIS IS HAWKE'S STORY not the wardens

With the only problem being that Hawke's story sucks...

[Alex Kershaw]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Um.

DA2 takes place no more than a decade after we hear of the godbaby. Firstly, the child would hardly be grown enough to do diddly squat.

Secondly, why are people having trouble understanding that the Dragon Age series is about Thedas, not about the Warden and his/her companions only? I'm glad to have variety, and I'm glad to visit different problems, and glad to see that you can have destructive forces like the Archdemon and political / social problems. It becomes a much more robust world.

People aren't having trouble understanding that, they're saying that they don't WANT that. If Dragon Age turned into a game about *insert ridiculous example here*, just STATING that it IS about X doesn't make it a good thing. I personally am at a loss as to how anybody thought that after getting a 91/100 metacritic score, introducing a massive world with awesome races and characters and leaving loads of interesting cliff-hangers, it would be a good idea to change everything and set the entire game in one city. Obviously I'm not the only one, with Dragon Age 2 being the worst scored Bioware PC game since the year 2000.

[allankles]

What can they do really, with the god baby that isn't going to be cheezy? I thought it was interesting during DA:O but looking at it from the vantage of how much the universe has expanded (The Qunari factor, the power and influence of all the Kingdoms and City States in Thedas and beyond), it is increasingly becoming an irrelevant plot thread.

A plot thread perhaps more suited to a novel than a game maybe?

Modifié par allankles, 21 mars 2011 - 12:27 .

[NKKKK]

Remember people, money comes first.

[flakmeister_mcg]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

While the devs have said that the OGB isn't cannon, I don't exactly trust them to stick with that.

The only other thing I wanted to mention is that if the Warden didn't allow Morrigan to do the DR, the OGB couldn't exist.  Somebody died killing the Archdemon, which would not have happened if there was a child for its soul to escape into.  So while she could have gotten knocked up at some point, it would just be a normal child.

This does not change the fact that it would be very easy to write in how Morrigan did get the soul of an old god into a baby. Thus being the effect of your choice in DA:O would simply be whether the OGB was your child or whether Morrigan got it through alternate means (possibly the Architect?)

Okay, so where did the Architect get an Old God soul from?  Are you saying that the Architect (who I killed btw), somehow had access to an Old God so soon after a Blight?  Doesn't it take the darkspawn like... a long time to find each one?

It's far more likely that they'll simply forget the idea or make it cannon with or without our approval.  Whatever fits the story.  Hell, they might even retcon it so that somebody died AND the Ritual worked... I'm only stating the lore that we've been given and why the OGB without DR is impossible unless they decide to change things around.

Having killed the red-haired chick
I asked Dave Gaider: "How can it be?
Why she's still breathing? Am I a fool?"
He told me laughingly:

Que sera, sera!
What ever we want, will be!
Your choices are void, you see.
Que sera, sera!
What we want, will be.

Not at all pertinent to the discussion nor am I really bothered about BioWare making certain things canon. I just wanted share my lyrical genious.

[NKKKK]

flakmeister_mcg wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

While the devs have said that the OGB isn't cannon, I don't exactly trust them to stick with that.

The only other thing I wanted to mention is that if the Warden didn't allow Morrigan to do the DR, the OGB couldn't exist.  Somebody died killing the Archdemon, which would not have happened if there was a child for its soul to escape into.  So while she could have gotten knocked up at some point, it would just be a normal child.

This does not change the fact that it would be very easy to write in how Morrigan did get the soul of an old god into a baby. Thus being the effect of your choice in DA:O would simply be whether the OGB was your child or whether Morrigan got it through alternate means (possibly the Architect?)

Okay, so where did the Architect get an Old God soul from?  Are you saying that the Architect (who I killed btw), somehow had access to an Old God so soon after a Blight?  Doesn't it take the darkspawn like... a long time to find each one?

It's far more likely that they'll simply forget the idea or make it cannon with or without our approval.  Whatever fits the story.  Hell, they might even retcon it so that somebody died AND the Ritual worked... I'm only stating the lore that we've been given and why the OGB without DR is impossible unless they decide to change things around.

Having killed the red-haired chick
I asked Dave Gaider: "How can it be?
Why she's still breathing? Am I a fool?"
He told me laughingly:

Que sera, sera!
What ever we want, will be!
Your choices are void, you see.
Que sera, sera!
What we want, will be.

Not at all pertinent to the discussion nor am I really bothered about BioWare making certain things canon. I just wanted share my lyrical genious.

I LOLED

This is true, and should be posted everywhere.