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[Dsurian]

Obviously you kill the bad bad bad man...

...but what about the kinda bad man in the cell?

Usually play to the tune of Chaotic Good with a low tollerance for silly laws/traditions...so to flat out kill someone in their cell would be a bit rediculous...but if he were, say, the cause of the riots in the alienage that brought on countless deaths (and im not even going to mention that poor elven family) then he deserves to die in my book...so, should i or should i not kill him?

And i dont perticularly care about the pro's for setting him free (like the 40G...which you can persuade away anyways)...simply, does he deserve to die?...and does it truly matter if you kill him or not?

And please, no spoilers unless its necesary to get the point across...TIA.

Modifié par Dsurian, 17 novembre 2009 - 08:25 .

[Lughsan35]

I killed him the first time without a thought.. and the second time I let him go..

[Dsurian]

Lughsan35 wrote...

I killed him the first time without a thought.. and the second time I let him go..

...ok...but what was the aftermath of each?...does he support you at the Landsmeat if you let him go or provide troops for the battle?  Does someone significantly better become the new arl if you kill both?...

[Dsurian]

/bump



....not to sound impatient but im kinda just hanging out here...waiting for an answer...would really appreciate one, guys...

[Hylan Dronta]

You are talking about the son of the Arl in the city elf origin right?



I don't think that it makes a difference either way to the overall story, but can't say why I think that without giving major spoilers, which you said you didn't want.

[Dsurian]

Will it help if i say that I'm playing as a Human Noble? Aas far as i know, this son of the Arl just screwed over this one elf family...which i'd almost like to kill him based on that...so quite simply, one more time, does this guy deserve to die?

[Winel Hocha]

!!SPOILER??!!





















he will appear at the landsmeet if you save him....

[Whanmakt]

Had just played City Elf origin quests, prior to doin this part with my first "major" play thru. So can safetly say he died slowly and painfully.

[Dsurian]

And gives you a vote of approval?...if so, do you 'need' that vote of approval?

damn...i love you all(no ******) for this knowledge base but why the hell is this so hard

@ Whanmak...so he does deserve to die!....okay....thanks... *twitch*

Modifié par Dsurian, 17 novembre 2009 - 08:12 .

[interesting03]

You could just leave him in his cell and forget about him

[Lughsan35]

Dsurian wrote...

And give you a vote of approval?...if so, do you need that vote of approval?

damn...i love you all(no ******) for this knowledge base but why the hell is this so hard?

Because anything worth doing is somtimes difficult and the feeling of exhulatation is MORE when the road is more difficult..

As near as I can tell you can get by without his vote.. there is always one guy that sides with Loghaine no matter what I've done...

There are others that side with you or him based on what questions you ask and which rebuttals you use...

[dannythefool]

Wait wait, you don't actually know he did the same thing as he does during the city elf origin if you play another origin. Or anyway your character doesn't have knowledge of it even if he did it, so just outright killing him isn't really an option if you're RPing someone not evil... for everyone who is not a city elf, this is just one of your enemy's enemies... if you're a woman or a dalish elf you might hate him for things he says in the cell of course...

[Dsurian]

...ok...as a human noble, when going through the Arls dungeons, you encounter a male elf in a previous cell who has been imprisoned for who knows how long (he doesnt).  The last thing he remembers is getting married to an elf in the city and the son of the Arl (the guy im talking about, that you find later in a cell) attempts to have his way with his woman (which he apparently has a right to). The male elf charges Arl Jr. in a rage, and next thing he knows, he awakes in his cell.  So, negating whatever the city elf origin is, I would consider it not much of a stretch to assume the Arl raped the wife (possibly killed), then he imprisoned the male elf for life (until i freed him, of course), all legally given the apparent existance of Droit de seigneur in this fantasy kingdom.  Me RPing a Chaotic Good player would likely mean i could care less about the law in this case and kill him for ruining (at least) two peoples lives...or at the very least, leave him in his cell...but that could still backfire (say maybe the people who come down to help out the crazy templar find him and release him without knowing what i do...)

...but still, if i know that he deserves death, whether or not my charachter has knowledge of it, i still feel inclined to kill him (and thankfully - but very oddly - my party members dont care either way.)

Modifié par Dsurian, 17 novembre 2009 - 08:40 .

[Maria Caliban]

There is no ' droit de seigneur.' There is 'human noble kidnaps and rapes elven women.'

I have no idea why people assume that such a thing exists in Ferelden when there's absolutely no evidence that's the case.

However, I'd like to introduce you to something called 'role-playing.' That is, doing whatever your character would do and finding out the consiquences in game.

I played a human noble. After finding Howe had tortured and kidnapped many people, she found yet another noble with a sad tale, so she asked him to support her at the landsmeet and let him go as he was obviously innocent of all wrong-doing.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 novembre 2009 - 08:49 .

[Lapetus]

chaotic good? Kill him.



I RPed a similar character, but once i gave my word, no going back. I told him I'd let him out if he paid me, so when he did, i let him go.

But next time... Bam!

[Dsurian]

I dont mind the consequences so much and agree that you should deal with the consequences of your actions (like evry good boy should)...the one major problem with DA:O though, is its hard to know or find out what the good option is. I hated Arl Jr. naturally and certainly wanted to kill him (game certainly gave you enough chances to in that one convo) but i didnt want to unless i was sure he deserved it and it was the 'proper' path. I've already dealt with many a time in this forsaken game where i would load back negating several hours of gameplay to go back and take the path that i shouldve...that i sometimes didnt know about until well after the wrong choice. Hell, even now...im stuck romancing Morrigan...Leliana fits the no ******, Good aligned RPing charachter quite well, but nooooo...i somehow missed some little innuendo of conversation and its automatically blocked me from the chance with this charachter. It's starting to ****** me off, so hopefully the RPG god wont kill me for consulting a forum prior to action (actually, after an hour of wasted gameplay, but that 'doesnt count')

...now its 4am and im all outa visene...damn my eyes.

Modifié par Dsurian, 17 novembre 2009 - 09:14 .

[Dsurian]

Lapetus wrote...
chaotic good? Kill him.

thanks...

[dannythefool]

I don't see how killing him is such a clear choice if you're a human noble. These people are all prisoners of the guy that betrayed you and killed your entire family. They may have their own disagreements among each other that you know nothing about, and you are more likely than not the sort of human noble who doesn't realise that Iona may have joined you that night for a reason that has nothing to do with affection. Why would you kill a human imprisoned by your arch-enemy on the word of a random elf?

[interesting03]

I've been thinking(doesn't happen often), but i think you should let him live. You're a human noble whose been abused by Howe, he's in a similar situation. You don't know much about his past, though some dialogue reveals his racist tendencies and he's willing to vote for you at the landsmeet. So he goes unpunished for his past crimes, but in return indirectly aids you against the blight, which is the greater good. Sounds Chaotic good to me.