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[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I liked blood magic in DA2 personally, though I still do not understand the point of self-impalement. And how damaging internal organs has anything to do with blood magic. 

Yeah the impalement is kind of my facepalm button. 

"I'm totally inconspicious!" *stab* 

And yeah...the fact that bloodmage Hawke doesn't hit something vital is nothing short of a miracle. 

BUT...it's awesome...

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
BUT...it's awesome...

Pfft. They only wish that was awesome. 

That and mage Hawke's (in the Champion armor) ridculously shiney and overly veiny arm.  What on earth where they thinking with that thing. It's...ugh. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
BUT...it's awesome...

Pfft. They only wish that was awesome. 

That and mage Hawke's (in the Champion armor) ridculously shiney and overly veiny arm.  What on earth where they thinking with that thing. It's...ugh. 

How else can he face the Arishok in melee in the trailer (such a lie).

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
How else can he face the Arishok in melee in the trailer (such a lie). 

Well...you can kind of do it. If you don't mind dying 5 seconds later. 

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Templars can nullify standard magic, but not blood magic. They have little defense if Hawke is a blood mage.

 

And that's gonna go real well with the rest of their army.  Hawke's not a god and being a bloodmage may buy him some time but it won't be much. 

I didn't mention the army, I mentioned that a blood mage Hawke would have a defense against templars since they can't nullify blood magic.

Ryzaki wrote...

Even the best fighter will lose if he's vastly outnumbered. And that's exactly what Hawke is if he goes against the templars, vastly outnumbered. The only reason you live in the mage ending is because Cullen has had enough of Meredith's insanity and he's nice enough to let you go. 

If Hawke's willing to risk his life to prevent as many men, women, and children from getting killed by the templars as possible, then he's willing to head to the Gallows and put his life on the line to make it happen. And the only reason Cullen sides with Hawke is plot contrivance - if Hawke is killing his way through templars, I don't see why the Knight-Captain would have a problem with Hawke getting killed for fighting the templars when he doesn't do anything about the enchanters, mages, and apprentices who are getting killed by his fellow templars.

[IanPolaris]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
How else can he face the Arishok in melee in the trailer (such a lie). 

Well...you can kind of do it. If you don't mind dying 5 seconds later. 

Actually it can be done (at least on hard and easier difficulty).  Of course you have to be a Spirit-Healer/Bloodmage with healing Aura active and all your buffs active AND you need Cold-Death for a staff (since Qunari are vuln cold) and you have to wear the DLC gloves that give knockback immunity AND you had to have invested in significant Con BEFORE you got the +10 Con/+100 regen SH spell.

But yes....with all those going for you, your health regen rate is actually more than the Arishock's DPS.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

If Hawke's willing to risk his life to prevent as many men, women, and children from getting killed by the templars as possible, then he's willing to head to the Gallows and put his life on the line to make it happen. And the only reason Cullen sides with Hawke is plot contrivance - if Hawke is killing his way through templars, I don't see why the Knight-Captain would have a problem with Hawke getting killed for fighting the templars when he doesn't do anything about the enchanters, mages, and apprentices who are getting killed by his fellow templars.

Agreed. In addition, it would have been peanuts for Hawke and company to kill Cullen and the templars right next to him. Whether they could have fought the entire Order... I actually think that they might have been able to do so if they could either A: sink the templar ships before they landed, or B: retreat back into the Gallows and funnel them into the hallway leading to the central chamber.

[Ryzaki]

Edit:
That said I know this will go nowhere so I don't know why I'm bothering. We won't convince each other of anything. I'm going to end this here so if you do respond I'm not ignoring your posts. Merely acknowledging the fact that we aren't going to convince the other of anything.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[ComeOnEA]

I did it for the power of Viscount so I could cleanse and rebuild the circle with no blood magic. My mage was changed by the killing of her mother and Anders slaying that innocent girl. The whole blood magic as a last defense always seemed weak when my mage is putting her life on the line EVERYDAY and never used it.

[Xilizhra]

And yet your Hawke was weaker than many a blood mage.

[Bigdoser]

ComeOnEA wrote...

I did it for the power of Viscount so I could cleanse and rebuild the circle with no blood magic. My mage was changed by the killing of her mother and Anders slaying that innocent girl. The whole blood magic as a last defense always seemed weak when my mage is putting her life on the line EVERYDAY and never used it.

Do you honestly think you have any power when you become viscount?

[CrimsonZephyr]

ComeOnEA wrote...

I did it for the power of Viscount so I could cleanse and rebuild the circle with no blood magic. My mage was changed by the killing of her mother and Anders slaying that innocent girl. The whole blood magic as a last defense always seemed weak when my mage is putting her life on the line EVERYDAY and never used it.

Any Hawke that becomes Viscount does so with an army of Templars holding a blade against his neck. Hoping that reform is possible after propping up a tinpot dictator like Meredith is laughable at best. Hawke would be in an even worse position than Dumar, as they would play the role of kingmaker in getting him appointed, but the lack of distractions like the Qunari would prevent any negotiations from taking place, meaning there would be even fewer checks on their authority, the very problem that allowed someone like Meredith to come into play. Also, Hawke, as a mage or even as a non-mage, is a very convenient scapegoat. Even as a warrior or rogue, he comes from a line with noted magical origins. The Templars, should they need to remove him, could find ample justification, especially since the Templar Order is not under his direct command. Power that comes from a single source and is incumbent on its support pretty much means Hawke would have to follow every order from the Templars, even if he finds their methods to be wrongheaded or dangerous.

[HogarthHughes 3]

I still find it humorous that mage-hawke can support the Circle in general. Him/her thinking mages should be sent to the circle for their protection and that of others (over sending them to the dalish, or helping them to freedom after they have already been trained) is incredibly hypocritical, given that he/she is a willing apostate.

[tsunderes]

How would you side with the Templars if Bethany is in the circle?

[lionalio87]

@tsunderes: If you are a mage, Bethany was not survived during the prologue!!! In this case only Carver will be available for you to chat!

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Hawke would need to be incredibly foolish to think that Meredith would keep her word and not try to kill him when she's planning to execute all the mages of the Circle of Kirkwall because the "people will demand blood," when culpability doesn't even matter to her. Hawke is a mage, and he should realize that his life is forfeit if she thinks he will be seen as another "mage" in the eyes of the people.

I didn't think we were talking about the ending, but rather Act I (and to an extent Act II). Choosing the templars as a mage is just such idiocy; it makes no sense. Even less with Merril (a known blood mage - to you!) in the party.

ETA:

I misread the OP, so my bad. I agree with you re: the idiocy.

Modifié par In Exile, 07 mai 2011 - 04:52 .

[tsunderes]

lionalio87 wrote...

@tsunderes: If you are a mage, Bethany was not survived during the prologue!!! In this case only Carver will be available for you to chat!

Oh no, I know that. This is just a question in the genral vein of siding with Templars. I'm currently playing a Hawke protective of her sister, so much so that when her sister is taken by the circle, she starts siding with the Templars in hopes of becoming one so she can watch over her sister again. But the end game decision.. what would be the most logical or best decision for my Hawke.

[tsunderes]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

I still find it humorous that mage-hawke can support the Circle in general. Him/her thinking mages should be sent to the circle for their protection and that of others (over sending them to the dalish, or helping them to freedom after they have already been trained) is incredibly hypocritical, given that he/she is a willing apostate.

I explained that to myself with the idea that Hawke wanted to protect and watch over her family, especially her mother, and that's why she hadn't gone to the circle. Also, because she'd been an apostate so long, they may not have accepted her and just killed her.

[lionalio87]

@tsunderes: the decision is up to you: To protect the innocent from the outrage Knight Commander to slaughter all or you want to revenge the mages for what they have done for your beloved mother!!!

Modifié par lionalio87, 07 mai 2011 - 05:14 .

[The dead fish]

There by cons I can not understand how a mage can join the Templars. Unless there is blood mage or mages is considered as sheep. And it is better to kill these sheep, rather than seeing them live like sheep. xD

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 mai 2011 - 08:04 .

[Corades]

Well... I have to say that when I started my playthrough with my mage Hawke I had the "mages must be free" very clear in my head, because of what happened in DAO, which mostly shows mages as victims of templars...But then I discovered:

- What would happen if mages are free and without control, whitch means = Tevinter Imperium = blood mages everywhere.

- Hawke's mother murdered by a crazy mage.

- Fenris and his background with Hadriana and Danarius.

- Carver was a Templar, and I didn't want to turn my back on him.

- Merril and her stupid mirror made the murder of the entirely clan.

- The fact that Kirkwall is infested of bloodmages, which made me understand that not all mages are angels.

- Anders and his stupid-foolish act.

- Both sides are not clean. There are good and crazy Templars, but there are crazy and good mages too.

So it is not strange that a mage Hawke wants to side with Templars. If you think about it carefully, it is more practical. You have the opportunity to restore the peace in Kirkwall, you become viscount and have the chance to rebuild the Circle and help good mages through your status. Better in my opinion than just vanish after the battle if you side with mages. Plus, innocent people will die no matter what side you choose. And a war will start no matter what you do. What I didn't like about the end is that I hadn't the option to stay neutral and so, stop the conflict. They put you in a very difficult position.... Ugh.