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[AbsenceOfJustice]

Like the title says, why do you think it's so bad?

My list is currently:

- The dialogue options are bland and poorly written, and have obvious moral choices attached to each. You can't say anything to anyone without it being a major, in-depth conversation. Not realistic.

- Combat is alright, but the animations are terrible and almost always it ends up being a clusterfluff with no real strategy.

- Oh god those graphics. It's 2011 now, guys. Enough said.

What do you guys think?

[TileToad]

I don't think it's bad at all.
It has interesting characters, less idle moments and better combat than DA:O, and great graphics.
It's not perfect, but then, which game is(?)

[Mellakim]

Well just got back from a night out so slightly warmed up, but my biggest beef is that hawk was supposed to be one of the most important world changing characters( so said the pr). But at the end of the day s/he was only really a bystander in the events in DA2 , you couldn’t change or effect the outcome of the overall story ( or acts) , just poke your nose in when the story dictates, no matter what, it all ends the same

[Jezeka]

I think it had some good and bad points. I would have been happy to wait another 6 months for them to really work all the bugs out.

- Same maps over and over again DAO at least changed a little
- Romance options were very awkward as no lead up
- As said above I didnt really think I controlled anything I was just along for the ride
- It was way too dumbed down.
- Ending just stopped. I got closure from DAO ending and most DLCs added on to the closure, but with this ending I didn't get any closure at all!!

I did like the appearances of the DAO characters though and being able to import my DAO game. Finally I'm not mute anymore which I am happy with. Combat is much better seems to flow better than DAO.

As i said I am still a massive fan and I think I always will be. Like the idea of the game too much!!

Thats my 50 cents worth

[SovereignofDeath]

I don't think it's bad, just not nearly as good as it should have been. The gameplay to me is fine, I mean I Think mages are pretty underpowered but that's about the only problem with it.

My beef with this game is the story, characters, and dialog.

[The_Eejit]

Its bad because its a rush job made to appeal to dragon ball z fans.

Its clear that anybody who didn't like DA:O likes DA2, which leads to the question as to why they were waiting for the the game in the place.

[St. Walker]

Though this game has many flaws, one of my biggest problems with Dragon Age 2 is the lack of interesting companions. I liked the majority of your allies in Origins; Morrigan, Alistair, Leliana, Zevran, and Shale were among my favorites (granted Shale wasn't very *interesting* in and of herself, but it was an interesting concept, the same can be said for Justice in Awakening). Oghren, however, is an example of a companion I would expect to see in Dragon Age 2; cliche. I've found the characters of DA2 are very easily summed up in common two word stereotypes. Examples being "sly dwarf" for Varric, "by-the-books officer" for Aveline, "seductive rogue" for Isabella, and the like. Obviously, anyone could sit there and come up with two words to describe any one character from any game, but I find it that it is exceptionally easy in this particular case. I never thought I'd say this about a game, but I really do hope that none of these characters return for any sequels. Maybe if Bioware starts with a clean slate they can get some good ones this time.

Another problem is that I can't specialize my companions in any one skill. Whereas in Origins I could bring Morrigan along because I liked to hear her commentary, and specialize her to be healing my allies and vexing the opponents, now if I want a healer I *have* to bring Anders. I have no choice. even though I don't care for the character, I'm stuck with him. If I want a tank, I *have* to bring Aveline. I can't even change what weapon set she uses! Normally there isn't much of a problem when a game does this, but when the predecessor allowed you these options, you shouldn't go and remove them in the sequel.

The main city of the game is really quite bland, but this is a problem carried over from Dragon Age Origins. The cities are nigh abandoned, and the few NPCs that you do see running around are brain dead. Why can't I go into every building? Why can't I communicate with any NPC I see? These are things great RPGs in the past have handled well (TES III Morrowind, for example), but Bioware has always ignored. It is very difficult to get immersed in a word when I can't get to know the people who live there.

[HollaAtYaBoy]

The_Eejit wrote...

Its bad because its a rush job made to appeal to dragon ball z fans.

Its clear that anybody who didn't like DA:O likes DA2, which leads to the question as to why they were waiting for the the game in the place.

Hey now!  I like Dragon Ball Z and I still think DA2 is terrible.

[NRO TYN]

Dont feel like listing the problems but the game does have it good side, but i hate how bioware alienate their core Fanbase.

[Deylar]

I think I touched on this before.

Its like a beautiful woman. Yes, she's beautiful and gorgoues and you love her. But let's say one day she wears a unflattering outfit. The pants and the outfit make her look shorter and wider than what she is.

In a sense DA2 is very much like this. The woman is beautiful. I can love every aspect of what was trying to be accomplished. However, the woman is wearing an unflattering outfit that doesn't enhance any of her good qualities.

DA2 wasn't a bad game. I really did want to look passed the unflattering outfit and look at its inner beauty. But the outfit it was wearing was just so god awful it was hard to see the inner beauty.

[TileToad]

The_Eejit wrote...
Its clear that anybody who didn't like DA:O likes DA2, which leads to the question as to why they were waiting for the the game in the place.

Exactly. Might I suggest a good rethink of your own statement?

Here's a hint.. grey area.

[Spartas Husky]

only reaosn why I thought it is bad.
A- I aint into rogues... just aint really no offense.
So that leaves 66% of the game to like. pretty good in my eyes.

But then came the weird sister or brother dying depending on your class... wth does your class has to do with who survives... Like saying Allistair dyes if your a noble.... or morrigan never joins you because your a mage.... the most ridiculous storytelling I have ever seen.


For the rest is pretty fun... and honest DA2 did a wonderful job at allowing me to play a battlemage with my hawke with a spear.... god so awesome... reminds me of my ME1 vanguard.

bad ass who is as likely to blast your face with a shotgun as he is to crush it with his mind.

But that sister brother deal... was a game breaker for me completely. Very dissapointed on bioware because of it.

[TheLastAwakening]

TileToad wrote...

I don't think it's bad at all.
It has interesting characters, less idle moments and better combat than DA:O, and great graphics.

This

And that it is a bit too linear.

[Darkest Dreamer]

I don't...

[The Spirit of Dance]

i don't think its bad i just think it's worst than origins.

[The_Eejit]

Think of it this way.

What if pokemon was no longer about adventure, catching pokemon and dueling, but about the politics behind oil and the history of the auto-mobile? Pokemon would no longer appeal to kids, but to a older crowd. This is what has happened here. Bioware completed changed their target audience.

[The_Eejit]

Think of it this way.

What if pokemon was no longer about adventure, catching pokemon and dueling, but about the politics behind oil and the history of the auto-mobile? Pokemon would no longer appeal to kids, but to a older crowd. This is what has happened here. Bioware completed changed their target audience.

Oh and if this comes out a double post, blame it on me, I didn't buy the DLC that allows the forum to work correctly.

[randName]

For me its mostly the plot, the bugs and that they diminish decisions I did in DA:O by resurrecting characters like Leliana (the dead humans should remain dead).

I like most else about the game, but will probably stop playing DA if they decide to continue down this path.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

AbsenceOfJustice wrote...

Like the title says, why do you think it's so bad?

1. All choices and decisions in The Qunari plot, The Investigation and the Mage crisis lead to one consequence   A clear indication that I have zero freedom to shape my own story except to choose one of three dominant personalities: Diplomatic, Sarcastic and Justice. Because this is not my story but Varric's tale, I have zero connection to main character, his companions and the world. The experience is more like watching movie than role playing.
2. Companions are boring. They wear 2 clothes for 10 years. They talk 3 to 4 times in each Act making their persona, background and influence meaningless. Fenris, Isabela, Merril and Anders suffer personality disorder with their belief system. Inconsistency and over reaction. Probably due to Varric's exaggeration? On the other hand, to my surprise, Varric ( who I despise very much for taking my role as my own storyteller ) is the only companions that is very interesting due to his consistency as being a neutral person, sarcasm and humor. He remain calm, helpful and understanding through out the story. 
3. The ending is unsatisfactory. I couldn't explain it because this is non spoiler section. Nevertheless, there is very little motivation for me to follow up the sequel or expansion. The story pretty much the end by the time Cassandra walks away and Leliana closes the storybook. The cliffhanger sense fail to deliver it's impact on me. I have no interest to know what happen to Hawke and the companions. But the mention of The Warden does bring a little nostalgia and sadden me. I always know I am The Warden. But Hawke? He could be my character but BioWare choose to write him as Varric's main character in his tale of the Champion of Kirkwall. Thus, This is not my story. This is Varric tale.

[The Xand]

AbsenceOfJustice wrote...

Like the title says, why do you think it's so bad?

It isn't.

[Medhia Nox]

I bought a roleplaying game - and I got an Action Adventure game with selectable romances.

[The Xand]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I bought a roleplaying game - and I got an Action Adventure game with selectable romances.

Odd then that you're roleplaying a character in a game then.

[Medhia Nox]

Do you consider Gears of War a roleplaying game? If so - then you should be fine.

I do not.

And don't be silly - you can't tell me my opinions wrong, that's absurd thinking.

[Soilborn88]

- Recycled maps

- Terrible item system (Lack of armors and weapons in the game. I went through the entire game using only 3 armor sets..)

- Bad character development. AS far as attributes go, every class is restricted into 2 attributes in order to meet armor requirements but in the first 1 one stat was only required, which makes it harder to make a specific build. Example, 2-handed warriors have to get constitution to wear armor where in the first game they did not. Would be nice to pump all the points into str and cunning to make an excellent criti build.

- Redundant quests

- The world lacks a lot of detail. To be stuck in a single city the entire game which is suppose to be very large in population only to see no more than 10 NPCS in a giving area.

- Very bad companion customization options. With all the useless unique armors you find it's a shame you have to NPC them all as soon as you find better since you can't dish it off to one of your teammates who may be able to make good use of it.

- Bad companion interaction. In Origins you can talk to your companions and assess the situation at any time and develop your relationship with them at any time, in DA2 you can only develop your relationship during certain points in the game when quests are given.

- Lack of tactics and strategic elements, no Isometic camera. Iso camera was very useful in Origins because it make targeting enemies much easier, examining more of the battlefield and formulating strategies, ally positions, and targeting the ground/enemies with talents much easier. These elements were omitted for more faced passed combat and action.

- Why did they take out Skills? I for one liked having skills in the first game. Now speech checks are no longer there, or additional perks like tactics, survival, TRAP MAKING, and many others.

That's just a few things.

Modifié par Soilborn88, 19 mars 2011 - 05:20 .

[The Xand]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Do you consider Gears of War a roleplaying game? If so - then you should be fine.

I do not.

And don't be silly - you can't tell me my opinions wrong, that's absurd thinking.

Yes because Gears of War is so very like Dragon Age with it's stats and abilities and armour and multiple choice dialogue. Just saying  :|