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[TileToad]

jerst wrote...

I must agree with the OP


It is not about liking or disliking a game, but asking for a finished game.


It kills me to see people saying stuff like

"It's a great game ! I hope they'll soon make a patch and fix this"
"It's a great game ! I hope they'll soon give a toolset so the custommers can fix X issue instead of Bioware"

And if only it was just for Dragon Age 2.


I wish I could sold a house without plumbing for the same price as a house with plumbing and get away with it only by saying

"Oh, I will probably add the plombing some days, don't worry ! But here is a toolbox, ask you're neighbour to do it if you can't wait"

Just be glad you don't have to deal with the Bethesda crowd. Their answer to everything is "stop whining, the mod community will fix it for us!". It has come to the point that they rather complain at mod makers for being slow, or delivering shoddy work, than holding the game developers responsible. If there ever was a group of brainwashed sheeple, Bethesda fans would rule that position.

It's so bad, in fact, that even now they're convinced that a game (Skyrim) that hasn't even been released yet will be GOTY.

[jerst]

Would you rather wait a few months for a patch or a couple of years of extra devolpment time like back in the day?

Well, actually, if what they need is a few monts for the said patch, then I wouldn't have to wait extra years of devolpment to fix the same issue...

And usually, yes, I'd rather wait longer for a better product.
But I know most people are just incapable of waiting.

[OmegaBlue0231]

jerst wrote...

Would you rather wait a few months for a patch or a couple of years of extra devolpment time like back in the day?

Well, actually, if what they need is a few monts for the said patch, then I wouldn't have to wait extra years of devolpment to fix the same issue...

And usually, yes, I'd rather wait longer for a better product.
But I know most people are just incapable of waiting.

Because they wouldn't have millions of people to find the bugs, only a small handful of testers.

[jerst]

Because they wouldn't have millions of people to find the bugs, only a small handful of testers.

Well, it could be true for PC games, but there is something called beta testing that seems to work pretty well
And I'm not saying there shouldn't be any bugs, it's probably impossible.
But between small bugs that appear only under special circumstances and a bug that occur no matter what you do or have, there is a huge step.

I'm not saying this is the case for Dragon Age 2. I must admit that it's mostly bug free, but it is a schem for most of the games out there.
Perpetuated by custommers that just have learnd to deal with it instead of protesting about it.

As for console... Considering every console has the same OS and configuration, you don't really need million of tester to notice that the auto-attack doesn't work.

[moilami]

neppakyo wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

You beat Pool of Radiance? Man.. you got patience..

Yeah man, I just watched a youtube of the game to remember the old days..

Oh my god......how the heck did I play that game? 

Damn, I forgot how turn based it was lol

The vid made me smile. Watched some other gold box vids too, which made me smile even more. No wonder BG was da bomb!

However to answer the question how to play those old gold boxes back then: easily. You either played chess or was it Squad Leader tabletop strategy game or pen & paper RPGs.

The game was as good as your imagination was.

(And oh boy dat turn based combat! And the sound effect in one vid when "the combat begins" or something flashed.)

Edit: And don't forget roguelikes. They were the real thing, and still are.

Modifié par moilami, 19 mars 2011 - 05:52 .

[Il Divo]

Gleym wrote...

I wonder what Bioware needs to do in order to actually push away the people so rabidly adamant to protect them.. of course, that would imply that said people weren't already so fanatical that Bioware could release Dragon Age 3 as a FPS space-based railshooter and they'd declare it 'revolutionary!'

Or perhaps some of us simply have a difference of opinion. Shocking, I know.

[BallaZs]

I consider myself as one of the defenders of the game, but I'm not saying that it couldn't be better.
It was obviously rushed. Still I find it enjoyable, and like the companions. The story could be a lot deeper tho.

[Sidney]

I do not have an issue with the general direction of DA2 - but then again the core of role playing isn't isometric cameras, Barbie Dress Up mini-games and vendor trash to me. I think the problem is that too many RPG fundamentalists can't handle anything that deviates from a VERY narrow set of "rules" for what an RPG can be - ruoles that would often exclude PST, KOTOR, FO and other classics of the genre.

The specifics of the game leave something to be desired. The encounter design is poor (the *poof* dropping from the skies folks), the re-use of too many environments in way too obvious a way (a cement block in the door really). What is souring me is that (at least on the 36) Act III is a buggy mess with misfiring quests.

The game isn't perfect but the criticism of it is beyond reason and has entered the realm of the hysterical and irrational. I could copy paste most of the gripes and apply them to any RPG not called DAO in the last decade so apparently that is the only "real" RPG since almost ever.

[AlanC9]

jerst wrote...
As for console... Considering every console has the same OS and configuration, you don't really need million of tester to notice that the auto-attack doesn't work.

Yep. My understanding of the problem is that the build they tested wasn't the build they sent to manufacturing. Oops.

[zazei]

DA2 has one great feature that makes me want to support Bioware in any way I possibly can. The gameplay and combat is horrible and the endless wave of trash is mind boggling. However it got the best story in any Bioware game ever. If we don't support DA2 it could also mean Bioware won't dare to go that direction and go with a darker story without the third "everything is perfect" path again and that would be far sadder then anything else.

[Tirigon]

TileToad wrote...

Just be glad you don't have to deal with the Bethesda crowd. Their answer to everything is "stop whining, the mod community will fix it for us!". It has come to the point that they rather complain at mod makers for being slow, or delivering shoddy work, than holding the game developers responsible. If there ever was a group of brainwashed sheeple, Bethesda fans would rule that position.

It's so bad, in fact, that even now they're convinced that a game (Skyrim) that hasn't even been released yet will be GOTY.

You, good ser, FAIL.

NOONE in his right mind says Bethesda is a good company. NOONE says Oblivion is good by itself.
But, sadly, it´s the only tool I know of that can run mods since they´re made in form of esp or esm data so you need Oblivion to run it.

Bethesda SUCKS. Their games SUCK, and people are not waiting for the modders to "fix" the game, they are waiting for them to release the only reason you bought a Bethesda game to start with.

[Gleym]

Tirigon wrote...

You, good ser, FAIL.

NOONE in his right mind says Bethesda is a good company. NOONE says Oblivion is good by itself.
But, sadly, it´s the only tool I know of that can run mods since they´re made in form of esp or esm data so you need Oblivion to run it.

Bethesda SUCKS. Their games SUCK, and people are not waiting for the modders to "fix" the game, they are waiting for them to release the only reason you bought a Bethesda game to start with.

Odd, considering that Bethesda fans defend Fallout 3 and Bethesda about as much as you guys defend DA2 and Bioware. Incidentally, the general response towards all the hate Fallout 3 got from fans of the original two games was also dismissed as 'whiny old gamers who can't move with the times' and any negative views 'shouldn't be listened to because they don't know what they're talking about' or 'if you don't like it, don't play it, gawd!'

I imagine that much of DA2's 'greatness' is the exact same as Fallout 3's: Tons of hype, game-site advertising out the *ss, and plenty of buyer's remorse backing those defending it so violently.

Currently, I'd rate Dragon Age 2 on about the same level as Fallout 3: A massive disappointment clearly not aimed at fans of the original and made to quickly cash in on a consumer base.

Modifié par Gleym, 19 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[Il Divo]

Gleym wrote...

Odd, considering that Bethesda fans defend Fallout 3 and Bethesda about as much as you guys defend DA2 and Bioware. Incidentally, the general response towards all the hate Fallout 3 got from fans of the original two games was also dismissed as 'whiny old gamers who can't move with the times' and any negative views 'shouldn't be listened to because they don't know what they're talking about' or 'if you don't like it, don't play it, gawd!'

I imagine that much of DA2's 'greatness' is the exact same as Fallout 3's: Tons of hype, game-site advertising out the *ss, and plenty of buyer's remorse backing those defending it so violently.

This is somewhat interesting since most fans would respond in kind when told that something they enjoy is 'bad'. Simply look at the Baldur's Gate thread. If I were to criticize Baldur's Gate II, I somehow doubt most people would be very accepting of that criticism.

It's also funny since your bias is very clear; often times, those criticizing DA2 are about as violent as those defending it.

[Gavinthelocust]

Oh look, people stating their opinion as fact.
It's so cute.

[djackson75]

Tirigon wrote...

TileToad wrote...

Just be glad you don't have to deal with the Bethesda crowd. Their answer to everything is "stop whining, the mod community will fix it for us!". It has come to the point that they rather complain at mod makers for being slow, or delivering shoddy work, than holding the game developers responsible. If there ever was a group of brainwashed sheeple, Bethesda fans would rule that position.

It's so bad, in fact, that even now they're convinced that a game (Skyrim) that hasn't even been released yet will be GOTY.

You, good ser, FAIL.

NOONE in his right mind says Bethesda is a good company. NOONE says Oblivion is good by itself.
But, sadly, it´s the only tool I know of that can run mods since they´re made in form of esp or esm data so you need Oblivion to run it.

Bethesda SUCKS. Their games SUCK, and people are not waiting for the modders to "fix" the game, they are waiting for them to release the only reason you bought a Bethesda game to start with.

I hate Oblivion.
Fallout 3 is one of my all time favorite's.
I've never installed a mod in my life.

Modifié par djackson75, 19 mars 2011 - 07:04 .

[neppakyo]

Everyone should stop whining, the mod community will fix it for us!

Anyways imho I don't think DA2 is a real role playing game. Hawke is a character set in stone, his/her path and story is already set by bioware. Its RPG-lite, like ME2.

*shrugs* Take that as you will, and notice I am not bashing or name calling anyone

[Arl Raylen]

neppakyo wrote...

Everyone should stop whining, the mod community will fix it for us!

Anyways imho I don't think DA2 is a real role playing game. Hawke is a character set in stone, his/her path and story is already set by bioware. Its RPG-lite, like ME2.

*shrugs* Take that as you will, and notice I am not bashing or name calling anyone

It depends on how loosely you define "Role Playing Game". Most games defined as RPGs really try to make you feel that you are playing a different role in a different world from the one you actually exsist in. In this way both the ME and DA series excell.

For me, DA2 is right up there with Kotor, ME, ME2, and DA: O.

Congrats on making another winner Bioware.

[djackson75]

Arl Raylen wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Everyone should stop whining, the mod community will fix it for us!

Anyways imho I don't think DA2 is a real role playing game. Hawke is a character set in stone, his/her path and story is already set by bioware. Its RPG-lite, like ME2.

*shrugs* Take that as you will, and notice I am not bashing or name calling anyone

It depends on how loosely you define "Role Playing Game". Most games defined as RPGs really try to make you feel that you are playing a different role in a different world from the one you actually exsist in. In this way both the ME and DA series excell.

For me, DA2 is right up there with Kotor, ME, ME2, and DA: O.

Congrats on making another winner Bioware.

To be fair, if that were the only criteria, Halo and Gears of War would be role playing games. So would Devil May Cry and God of War.

[Sidney]

neppakyo wrote...

Everyone should stop whining, the mod community will fix it for us!

Anyways imho I don't think DA2 is a real role playing game. Hawke is a character set in stone, his/her path and story is already set by bioware. Its RPG-lite, like ME2.

*shrugs* Take that as you will, and notice I am not bashing or name calling anyone

Your Warden is as much set in stone. You have a path and it is fixed. You will recruit allies, you will go to the landsmeet and you will defeat the demon. You will become a jedi in KoTOR, you will stop Malak. I can run this gameplan for almost any other RPG out there. You have to given the medium - you can't just punt the main storyline and go get a different storyline so all you can do is create variations within that storyline.

[panamakira]

Ehh~ I like the game fine. It has a higher replay value than DA:O and the combat is so much more fun than DA:O for me.

But it's far from being perfect. There are a lot of things that I wish could be better in the game. Things they took away I wish they hadn't. I still enjoy the game very much. It's worth buying. Could it have been better? I think so. I think what I found slightly disappointed was the feeling of defeat? by the end of the game~ Not the best ending.

But overall it's a really good game worth buying. I'm on my third playthrough, it's fun.

[Sidney]

djackson75 wrote...

To be fair, if that were the only criteria, Halo and Gears of War would be role playing games. So would Devil May Cry and God of War.

Yeah but the difference is that while - and I've not played any of the above so I'll use one I have played - Assassin's Creed desperately wants you to feel you are in the "role" of Desmond/Ezzio you can't do anything with that character. He will always side with the Assasins. He will always love the person the game tells you he loves and so on.

[Tirigon]

Gleym wrote...


Odd, considering that Bethesda fans defend Fallout 3 and Bethesda about as much as you guys defend DA2 and Bioware. Incidentally, the general response towards all the hate Fallout 3 got from fans of the original two games was also dismissed as 'whiny old gamers who can't move with the times' and any negative views 'shouldn't be listened to because they don't know what they're talking about' or 'if you don't like it, don't play it, gawd!'

I imagine that much of DA2's 'greatness' is the exact same as Fallout 3's: Tons of hype, game-site advertising out the *ss, and plenty of buyer's remorse backing those defending it so violently.

Currently, I'd rate Dragon Age 2 on about the same level as Fallout 3: A massive disappointment clearly not aimed at fans of the original and made to quickly cash in on a consumer base.

So what? Fallout 3 sucks, and to a degree I can´t be bothered to download the amount of mods that I would need to fix this.

djackson75 wrote...

I hate Oblivion.

I've never installed a mod in my life.

See? My point exactly. If you had done, you´d love it.

[Tirigon]

panamakira wrote...

Ehh~ I like the game fine. It has a higher replay value than DA:O and the combat is so much more fun than DA:O for me.

Tastes differ.
I suppose if you search long enough you´d find people telling you that eartworms taste waaaay better than pizza.....

[Capeo]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Damn it. I'll really try next time not to like a game you believe is rushed and bad. Okay? I'm sorry this time. Its just that I really liked the combat and personal story. I know thats an opinion, and that mine is completely wrong. Will you accept my apology? I'll only like games the internet agrees with nowadays. I'll also start liking your musical tastes, if it'll make you happier.

Best post I've read on this forum in a week.

[Lukertin]

Tirigon wrote...
NOONE in his right mind says Bethesda is a good company. NOONE says Oblivion is good by itself.
But, sadly, it´s the only tool I know of that can run mods since they´re made in form of esp or esm data so you need Oblivion to run it.

Bethesda SUCKS. Their games SUCK, and people are not waiting for the modders to "fix" the game, they are waiting for them to release the only reason you bought a Bethesda game to start with.

Oblivion and Fallout3 were two of my favorite games on the 360.  No mods.  y u mad?