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[BloodyRaw]

 First thank you to all the gamers out there helping others to not suffer this problem or to work around it.

  After about 4 hours of beta testing this game today without pay to find out the core issue regarding "thumbs up", I have found an answer.

   I had a save on Act 1 right before Isabella became my friend (5 minutes before) so I used that to do all my testing. After befriending her I recieved the "thumbs up" bonus as expected so I proceeded to the next steps.

1. Went to Merrills house and switched isabella out of my party. Saved then reloaded to find out I did not have the bug. Then I went to hawkes house checked to see that I did not have her bug, reloaded the autosave (entering the house) and still did not recieve this bug.

 2.  Reloaded Merrills house save (still no thumbs up and she is not in the party) put Isabella back in the party (thumbs up is in abilites screen) then went to hawkes house. Checked status within the house and the thumbs up was still there. So upon exiting the house I put Isabella back in the party went to merrills house, switched Isabella back out, saved then reloaded the save. Save reloaded isabella is not in the party no bug.

3. Repeated all steps in step 2 until "then went to hawkes house". Checked status again and yes isabella thumbs up is there, saved then reloaded the save (the save was in hawks house). Isabella thumbs up is still there. Went back to merrils house with isabella still in party, switched her out then saved and reloaded. Thumbs up bug is there.

4. What caused the bug to start? Reloading a save while Isabella's thumbs up is active inside hawkes residence? Really now ok beta tester lets test this out without pay.

5. Misson "Birthright" in darktown outside anders clinic after step "2". Isabella is in party, saved and then reloaded switched her out saved in then reloaded and no bug. Remember this is right after step 2 so I have not produced the bug yet.

6. Go inside the mission "birthright" (the cellar) with isabella in the party (with no party bug yet) it autosaves. Reload the auto save within the mission, leave mission the go back to darktown next to anders clinic, switch out isabella then save. Reload save (isabella is not in party) and bam thumbs up is there. So what produced the bug? Reloading the autosave inside the mission did it.

7. Did it really? back to step "5". Outside outside anders clinic. Saved with Isabella in the party, reloaded save then switched her out. Saved again then reloaded with no thumbs up bug. Went inside the mission "birthright" without isabella in the party and it auto saves. Reload the auto save checked the ability screen and NO Thumbs up BUG. Left mission back to darktown, saved again reladed save still no bug with this woman not in the party.

8. Ok beta tester you are pretty good...how about you complete the mission with isabella in the party (start of step 5 have not produced bug). Now this misson at the end of it basically forces you to go to the hawkes estate to confront you're uncle. Ok sounds like a plan....completed misson after the convo in hawkes house I check the abilites screen to see thumbs up. Went to merrills house switched isabella out, saved then reloaded...no thumbs up bug.

9. But how?? Was it because you did not save or reload that save within a mission or hawkes place? Yes. Ok what if you went to the wonded coast with isabella in the party, saved, reloaded and went to the docks at day switched her out and reloaded. Would you get the bug then? Yes. Why?

10. If you Reload any save that is inside a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) you will recieve the bug with isabella in your party. You can save with her in you're party and not recieve the bug anywhere in kirkwall during the day, merrill and fenris house, darktown. I tested this to death do us part...like you know a free beta tester.

11. Isabella is not in my party right now after I completed the birthright mission. I have no thumbs up bug either after having multiple reloads after saving with her not in the party. You can save AnyWhere at anytime "without" her in the party and not recieve this bug.

Please post this on the PC/360 fourms because I cannot post there (ps3 baby). Have a great and wonderful night!! Hope you enjoyed the show.

Modifié par BloodyRaw, 19 mars 2011 - 10:23 .

[AreleX]

Great work. Hopefully this will get patched soon, so we don't have to jump through millions of hoops just to get things to work how they should in the first place.

Modifié par AreleX, 19 mars 2011 - 09:55 .

[akselic]

hehe nice testing and thanks for posting the results, it still should be patched though

[Scoutyo]

Thanks for your hard work, BloodyRaw. This is really good to know.

[BloodyRaw]

 No problem gentlemen, thanks for the "thumbs up" lol. More info

The bug will START Occuring by having isabella in your party and then saving in a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) and then "RELOADING" that specific save then you will get the thumbs up bug every time you load "any" save with her "not" in the party until the end of time.

 1. You just recieved Isabella as a friend so you get the thumbs up "passive" while she is in the party. You then go to merrils house and switch isabella out for verric, you then check the ability screen and there is no thumbs up bug. Right after this you proceed to the "Act Of Mercy" quest (any quest will do). At the end you will have a difficult choice to make (take the mage, trick the templars, kill the templars) so you save your game within the mission (isabella is not in the party, she is already hawks buddy) before the dialogue occurs.

  2. After you make you're choice you notice that you have rivalry points that you are not comfortable with, so then you proceed to Reload that save (the save before the dialogue within the mission ) to try a different choice. You check the abilites screen and "thumbs up" will* not* be there. If you never Produce the bug or start the occurance, then you will never recieve it "duh" 

   3.Lets go back to step one and lets just say while you are in merrills house you decide to keep Isabella in your party so you "do not" switch her out. Right after this you proceed AGAIN to the "Act Of Mercy" quest (any quest will do). At the end you will have a difficult choice to make (take the mage, trick the templars, kill the templars) so you save your game within the mission (with isabella in youre party) before the dialogue occurs.

    4. You then proceed to reload that save to make a different choice (the save with isabella in your party within the misson). From this point to the end of the game until bioware decides to patch it, you will recieve the "thumbs up bug" everytime you load a new save with her not in you're party. That means that everytime you reload a save Isabella has to be in you're party to not have the bug occur (this has been discussed already).

   5. Ok ok....Lets just say we are at step 3 we are at the end of step 3. Instead of reloading the save you decided to play out the rest of the mission to the end (wiithout every reloading). You then go to either the docks, hangman, fenris house, anders clinic) to switch her out. You then save  turn off you're system and go eat a sandwich. When you decide to turn back on you're system and reload that save (isabella is not in party) you will not get the bug.

  6. You could have saved a billion times (hmm thats alot)  within that mission, and still not encounter the bug after it. Why? Just as long you finish the mission without RELOADING (remember this) any of the billion saves the bug will not occur....until you decide to load an autosave or save with her in the party at the wounded coast, sundermount, any mission, and piece of land outside of kirkwall, hawks estate or residence, kirkwall at night.

   I don't know what else to say lol, I just hope it is patched. Especially since we now know the reason behind it.


   

[FATAsWOLF]

Can u put this into simpler terms everytime i read it i get a headache yes im that dumb..

i use isa in my main party.. and i would love how to undo this. so yeah.. simple terms please

Modifié par FATAsWOLF, 19 mars 2011 - 11:24 .

[Atmosfear3]

FATAsWOLF wrote...

Can u put this into simpler terms everytime i read it i get a headache yes im that dumb..

Yes, I agree. We need a TL;DR instructional for easier understanding please!

[Raygereio]

Atmosfear3 wrote...
Yes, I agree. We need a TL;DR instructional for easier understanding please!

TL:DR version is every time Isabella is removed from the party NOT through the party screen, you get the Isabella-bug. Examples of force-removals are you traveling to your house, or you going to the Qunari-compound with Isabella in your party. Or at least, that's the behaviour I saw.

If you thus use Isabella or Sebastian with their friendship abilites in your party, you either have to know ahead of time at what points they're force-removed from the party and make sure they're away; or if you're playing on the PC just use pyGFFp on your save file to remove the bug after each play session.

Edit: damn you, typos.

Modifié par Raygereio, 19 mars 2011 - 11:40 .

[BloodyRaw]

I really don't know anyway else to explain this lol. I know its a bit Long to read but wouldn't you rather understand the problem (I wish we didn't have to understand anything) now instead of having you're hawke move in slow motion later? Anyways I posted the below information in another topic, maybe it will help.

Hey Cyo!

You will only encounter (start) the bug if you LOAD an autosave with isabella that is in a mission, kirkwall at night, hawkes estate (with isabella prior in the party) and out on the island's outside the city (wounded coast, sundermount, ambushes, etc).

You can LOAD an autosave or save when she is in the party in kirkwall day (anywhere in the day time), merrill house, fenris house, anders clinic.

If you never produce the bug, you can save and load anywhere at anytime with her not in the party and not recieve the bug.


For Cyo..

After Act 1 you befriend her in the hangman bar (isabella's ongoing search). Remove her from your party, go home (thumbs up will not be in the abilites screen, she is not in party) and have a romance with her, pet your dog, save the game then reload you will not have the glitch. You did not have Isabella in you're party upon going to hawks estate (thumbs up stays in the abilites screen if you go to the estate while she is in the party).

If you do the same process above without taking her out of your party when going to the hawkes estate and you save within the estate and reload that save you will recieve the bug. If you saved ten times inside the estate decide not to reload any of those saves you will not recieve the bug. Just don't reload a save with her in the party that triggers the glitch and you will be ok.

[FATAsWOLF]

You can LOAD an autosave or save when she is in the party in kirkwall day (anywhere in the day time), merrill house, fenris house, anders clinic. is what i ment by simpler terms thanks xD

[BloodyRaw]

FATAsWOLF wrote...

You can LOAD an autosave or save when she is in the party in kirkwall day (anywhere in the day time), merrill house, fenris house, anders clinic. is what i ment by simpler terms thanks xD

 You are welcome, glad I could help. I just hope BW could possibly help all of us with a patch this coming week 

[BloodyRaw]

Double Post

Modifié par BloodyRaw, 19 mars 2011 - 11:44 .

[nicethugbert]

This is not visceral.

[CLime]

Nice work. Guess I'll have to make sure to get Sebastian's rivalry if I want to use him next go-round.

[BloodyRaw]

CLime wrote...

Nice work. Guess I'll have to make sure to get Sebastian's rivalry if I want to use him next go-round.

 Thank you sir. I'm pretty sure sebastions bug works the same way, havent had a chance to test it.

[Statisfaction]

Crazy work yo

Too bad DA3 will be out by the time Sony certifies a patch

[BloodyRaw]

Statisfaction wrote...

Crazy work yo

Too bad DA3 will be out by the time Sony certifies a patch

 Thanks, I hope that Bioware roles out the patches this coming week. Maybe give a free talent point or two as well 

[PPF65]

That is a scary wall of text.

How does this "thumbs up" problem happen anyway? I haven't noticed any problems after unlocking Isabela's friendship passive.

[BloodyRaw]

Posted on this very same page..


"You will only encounter (start) the bug if you LOAD an autosave with isabella that is in a mission, kirkwall at night, hawkes estate (with isabella prior in the party) and out on the island's outside the city (wounded coast, sundermount, ambushes, etc).

You can LOAD an autosave or save when she is in the party in kirkwall day (anywhere in the day time), merrill house, fenris house, anders clinic.

If you never produce the bug, you can save and load anywhere at anytime with her not in the party and not recieve the bug."

[BloodyRaw]

 Posted this in another topic, thought the post below might be helpful to others trying* to get her friendship bonus since we know how to avoid the bug. Sorry for the grammar kind of sleepy. 

This is what I remember from act 1 off the top of my head for isabella's friendship.

The the quest you get from her regarding her contact choose all paragon choices. 10 friendship
Accept the contacts quest. 5 friendship
Complete the contacts quest and in the dialogue agree to give him the location of the cargo. 10-15 friendship points.

There is a gentleman in hightown that wife is missing, that isabella does not like. If you do not accept his quest you will recieve 10 friendship points and still be able to complete the quest.

The quest where the magistrate wants you to rescue his son. If you kill the son in the dungon you will recieve 15 friendship points.

Blackpowder courtesy---you help adwarf during an ambush in which he also needs your help to kill the rogue quanri (Tal vasha or something). Agree to help him to recieve 5 freindship points

Act of Mercy Quest--If you take varric with you to trick the templars (choose the middle option when talking to the apostate grace) you will recieve 10 friendship points.

The wayward son---If you take varric with you and trick the slaver you will recieve 5 friendship points.

After the bone pit you are asked to make the workers get back to work. Choose the renegade option to recieve 5 friendship points.

  This should Will be enough to get isabella to frienship status in act 1. 

 To answer you're other question...If you keep isabella out of you're party the whole game you will not recieve this bug.

 Ohh just remebered lol, If you chose the default setting (the hero of feralden or something) at the beggining of the game you will find a dalish woman arguing with a human on the main path of the wounded coast. If you choose the Renegade option you will recieve 5 friendship points.

[OlG-fr]

Oh you're a game saviour BloodyRaw, thanks!

Just befriend her at the end of the Templars/apostates in Act I and was like oh crap!
So alted tab and luckily fell upon your thread. I hopped to Merril's home (saved just in case) checked I had the thumbs up, switched her for Fenril, checked I hadn't the thumbs up, went to Bone Pit (not yet accomplished) then loaded the newly made autosave and checked I hadn't the thumbs up.

So since at this point I haven't contracted the bug I should be free of it wherever I save/reload with whoever is in my party? And would it occur anyhow I would see it by having thumbs up showned in my abilities tab while Isabella's not in my party, am I right?

Modifié par OlG-fr, 20 mars 2011 - 12:18 .

[BloodyRaw]

OlG-fr wrote...

Oh you're a game saviour BloodyRaw, thanks!

Just befriend her at the end of the Templars/apostates in Act I and was like oh crap!
So alted tab and luckily fell upon your thread. I hopped to Merril's home (saved just in case) checked I had the thumbs up, switched her for Fenril, checked I hadn't the thumbs up, went to Bone Pit (not yet accomplished) then loaded the newly made autosave and checked I hadn't the thumbs up.

So since at this point I haven't contracted the bug I should be free of it wherever I save/reload with whoever is in my party? And would it occur anyhow I would see it by having thumbs up showned in my abilities tab while Isabella's not in my party, am I right?

 Hey you are welcome! 

 Yes you are free save/reload with whoever is in you're party without worrying about the bug. Yes, "thumbs up" will show up in you're abilites screen w/o her being the party if a bug did occur

[Ajwol Semreth]

So as long as I do not load an autosave from within an active quest (mission), Kirkwall Night, Outside of Kirkwall, or Hawke's estate prior to having Isabella in my party I wont *contract* this bug? It's awfully complicated, hence my asking.

Also, if I load a manual save from any of those points will I remain bug free in that instance as well?

Just feeling apprehensive at the moment, as I was planning having Isbella be a main party member in my next play through but would rather avoid it if there is a risk of a game breaking bug. I really hope the consoles get a patch.

[naughty99]

BloodyRaw wrote...

 "thumbs up" will show up in you're abilites screen w/o her being the party if a bug did occur

where does it show on your abilities screen? on the page with Summon Mabari and your Armor Set Bonus?

I think I got Isabela to 100% friendship but I never added her to my party because I was worried about this bug.

[mabscottsville]

naughty99 wrote...

BloodyRaw wrote...

 "thumbs up" will show up in you're abilites screen w/o her being the party if a bug did occur

where does it show on your abilities screen? on the page with Summon Mabari and your Armor Set Bonus?

I think I got Isabela to 100% friendship but I never added her to my party because I was worried about this bug.

next to summon mabari, under the Hawke tab of the abilities