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[Bigdawg13]

Well I went through the wiki and found every quest in Act 1 and (not so thoroughly) Act 2. In Act 1 alone you can score 70 rivalry with Isabela by making careful choices. Then in Act 2 I am hoping to lock her as full rivalry before getting "romance" flirt options. Either way, it works out quite well. Not only did I have to gather a list of all possible rivarly, but also had to make not of every accidental friendly points that I wanted to avoid.

I'd do the same thing for Sebastion if I cared at all for him. I kind of wish I could just kick him out of Kirkwall.

*edit* I made a Isabela rivalry cheat sheet if any of you want it I can post it I guess.  It is rather informal.

Modifié par Bigdawg13, 28 mars 2011 - 07:29 .

[Ace Attorney]

Bigdawg13 wrote...

Well I went through the wiki and found every quest in Act 1 and (not so thoroughly) Act 2. In Act 1 alone you can score 70 rivalry with Isabela by making careful choices. Then in Act 2 I am hoping to lock her as full rivalry before getting "romance" flirt options. Either way, it works out quite well. Not only did I have to gather a list of all possible rivarly, but also had to make not of every accidental friendly points that I wanted to avoid.

I'd do the same thing for Sebastion if I cared at all for him. I kind of wish I could just kick him out of Kirkwall.

*edit* I made a Isabela rivalry cheat sheet if any of you want it I can post it I guess.  It is rather informal.

Please do post it
If anyone could do a Sebastian one that would be great too.

[RPGamer13]

Yes, post!

I am trying to see if you can really finish her romance with Rivalry.

I thought to do it myself but I didn't want to take the time.

[D.Shepard]

BloodyRaw wrote...

D.Shepard wrote...

BloodyRaw wrote...

 No problem gentlemen, thanks for the "thumbs up" lol. More info

The bug will START Occuring by having isabella in your party and then saving in a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) and then "RELOADING" that specific save then you will get the thumbs up bug every time you load "any" save with her "not" in the party until the end of time.
   

Thank You for the info. So if the bug generated but we keep Isabela in our party we shouldn't experience troubles... Since I tend to have her constantly in my party, especially due to dialogue interactions and plot reasons, this solution can be very appreciated.
I should only avoid to save and load inside Hawke's residence but I can still save before entering it.

 Yes Shep, If you enjoy having her in you're party then you have nothing to worry about

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Wonderful!
The only problem can occur during the last quest of Act 2 when she is not available.

[GodLikeDevil]

Umm, the official guide says a romance is only possible with Isabella if she is friendly... I was planning on making her a rival to avoid the bug, but since I wanted to romance her as well, I bit the bullet and decided I will do my best not to trigger the bug as I befriend her.

In any case, I am benching Isabella unless a specific quest calls for her forced insertion, in which case I guess I will have to include beforehand and play and save/reload carefully.

[Serenkar]

Crazy bug it has to be said. I got lucky on my first playthrough since i enjoyed having Isabela around constantly on my sword and board warrior,so even though i did have the bug,it really didn't effect me since she was mostly present everytime i reloaded a save.

Im currently on my second playthrough as a rogue and im far more concious of this bug. I have to admit that it took me a while to fully understand it,only when i followed bloodyraws example and intentionally created the glitch myself did i grasp how it "works" so to speak.

However,there is still an aspect of this bug that has me slightly confused.

Basically,avoiding the creation of this bug isnt a priority for me since i always have Isabela in my party for RP reasons. What i dont understand is how the -5% to AS is triggered.

In this thread ive read that the damage is done by reloading a save *with the bug present* without Isabela in the party,then changing party members at one of the many "gather your party" points..hangmans,anders clinic,merril/fenris house etc the game then  "fixes" itself by destroying your hawke's AS stat..and the more you do this,the worse it gets.

However,theres another thread on the 360 support forums that says the -5% damage to AS is done everytime you actually load a save without Isabela in your party (with the bug already present),it has nothing to do with switching her out after loading a bugged save etc the damage to AS is done simply by loading a bugged save without her in the party.

The reason im asking for clarification here is because im playing the game bugged,i know its bugged and i know when i started the bug but im not so worried about it because im happy to have Isabela in my party. So 99% of the time i dont have to worry about my rogue turning into Neo from the Matrix in the latter stages of the game everytime i reload a save.

However,i just finished Act 1 with Isabela in my party in the Deep Roads,i have her friendship and the Thumbs Up bug,when it ends after defeating the Rockwraith she is forced from the party along with everyone else and Hawke ends up at the Viscounts Keep for the opening chat of Act 2 alone.

Of course,Thumbs Up is still there in the abilities screen even though Isabela is not in the party.....

This is the confusing issue for me..since she was forced from my party,if i go to the "gather your party" node at the Keep and add Isabela to my party again,will i incur the -5% permanent penalty to my rogues AS simply by accessing the "gather you party" screen? (even though i havent reloaded in the time since she was force removed)

Sorry for the long and rambling post,i hope what im trying to ask is clear enough lol =)

[Bigdawg13]

The official guide is wrong. You can rival romance her, although it can be tough. You have to plan on getting more than 100 rivalry as you'll be taking friendship hits with the flirts. But it is very much doable.

As for my guide, I found one already hanging around here on the forums that is far better than what I put together. It is missing a few things, but overall is sufficient of a guide.

http://social.biowar...394/blog/17005/

[Ace Attorney]

T3hAnubis wrote...

Can you save with and/or remove Isabela/Sebastian on the Vicount's Keep and the Hanged Man (Day or Night) just like on Merrill's Home or Arder's Clinic?

Anyone know?

[Metalheadisme]

I'm in act 3 and have been very carefully avoiding the Sebastien/Isabella bugs.

However, it seems that in Act 3 the rules have changed. I took Isabella on "A Murder of Crows" finished the quest without reloading, took her out of my party, saved at Merril's, reloaded, and BAM I have the bug. Fortunately I kept a save before putting her into my party, but i had to do the quest without her.

Also, with Sebastien's "Faith" quest in Act 3 I'm getting the same issue. I put Sebastien into my party, complete the quest without reloading, go to Merril's, take him out of the party, save, reload, and I have the bug.

I've avoided the bug thus far by not reloading any saves with Sebastien or Isabella in my party, but now it seems unavoidable.

[Bigdawg13]

I had something similar happen to me Metalhead. I ended up rerolling and focusing on getting high rivalry with Isabella and Sebastian.

[Tejo79]

So doesn't matter what you do, when in act 2 she'll be forced out of ur party you will get the bug even if you don't save with her?

[Metalheadisme]

Well, it appears this is really finnicky...... I used Merril's house as my safe place to save and get them out of my party through acts 1 and 2, but now in act 3 it doesn't seem to work. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I romanced her and she's moved in with me and I haven't started any of her quests or conversations yet in act 3.

I actually got past the "Faith" quest finally without the bug. I had to turn off autosave, swap Sebastien out at the Chantry after the quest, go to Hightown during the day, and then save. Reloaded and didn't have the bug.

[Metalheadisme]

Sorry, double post.

Modifié par Metalheadisme, 30 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[Metalheadisme]

Tejo79 wrote...

So doesn't matter what you do, when in act 2 she'll be forced out of ur party you will get the bug even if you don't save with her?

No, you can avoid it in Act 2. Save without her in your party and before you start the To Catch A Thief quest as your safe save in case something goes wrong.

Now basically what you have to do is complete To Catch A Thief and Demands of The Qu'un without saving or reloading to finish the Act (Oh and don't turn her over to the Arishok). When Act 3 begins and you control Hawke, go to the Hanged man, talk to Isabella, and she'll be an active party member again. Switch her into and out of your party at the Hanged man, and check your abilities to confim that Thumbs Up is gone. Go to Hightown in the day or a similar safe place, and save and reload to confirm you are unbugged.

[Tejo79]

Ah thanks a bunch for ur help, I have my 50 hours mage in nightmare already bugged, hopefully this will help with my warrior ^^.

[Smorj]

So it's not possible to do the "To Catch A Thief" quest in the end of chapter 2 without getting the bug i assume? And she's gone for good if I don't complete it right? This is really getting on my nerves

EDIT: Ah, answer two posts up. Good times

Modifié par Smorj, 30 mars 2011 - 10:31 .

[We Tigers]

Metalheadisme wrote...

Tejo79 wrote...

So doesn't matter what you do, when in act 2 she'll be forced out of ur party you will get the bug even if you don't save with her?

No, you can avoid it in Act 2. Save without her in your party and before you start the To Catch A Thief quest as your safe save in case something goes wrong.

Now basically what you have to do is complete To Catch A Thief and Demands of The Qu'un without saving or reloading to finish the Act (Oh and don't turn her over to the Arishok). When Act 3 begins and you control Hawke, go to the Hanged man, talk to Isabella, and she'll be an active party member again. Switch her into and out of your party at the Hanged man, and check your abilities to confim that Thumbs Up is gone. Go to Hightown in the day or a similar safe place, and save and reload to confirm you are unbugged.

I don't think this is true.  I just did To Catch A Thief and am in the middle of The Demands of the Qun, and I have the thumbs-up bug already.  Are you saying it goes away for good if you follow these procedures?  In all previous instances, once the thumbs up is there, I've never been able to get rid of it.

[Joy Divison]

What exactly is a "mission" where I can't save w/ Isabella in the party?

[Metalheadisme]

We Tigers wrote...

Metalheadisme wrote...

Tejo79 wrote...

So doesn't matter what you do, when in act 2 she'll be forced out of ur party you will get the bug even if you don't save with her?

No, you can avoid it in Act 2. Save without her in your party and before you start the To Catch A Thief quest as your safe save in case something goes wrong.

Now basically what you have to do is complete To Catch A Thief and Demands of The Qu'un without saving or reloading to finish the Act (Oh and don't turn her over to the Arishok). When Act 3 begins and you control Hawke, go to the Hanged man, talk to Isabella, and she'll be an active party member again. Switch her into and out of your party at the Hanged man, and check your abilities to confim that Thumbs Up is gone. Go to Hightown in the day or a similar safe place, and save and reload to confirm you are unbugged.

I don't think this is true.  I just did To Catch A Thief and am in the middle of The Demands of the Qun, and I have the thumbs-up bug already.  Are you saying it goes away for good if you follow these procedures?  In all previous instances, once the thumbs up is there, I've never been able to get rid of it.

Your character will have the glitched passive while you do the quests. The point is that you complete Act 2 without saving or loading so that your save files are not bugged. It's the saving and loading while you have the passive on you that makes the bug permanent. This is why you wait to save until Act 3 when you get Isabella back at the Hanged Man. Putting her back into your party and then removing her will remove the Thumbs Up passive and allow you to save without getting the bug.

[stjasonl1]

So dumb question when your saying you have the bug you are talking about the icon in your abilities section not being able to check your attack speed. I have that icon always every game no questions even if she was not in my party when gaining her friendship.

[Metalheadisme]

stjasonl1 wrote...

So dumb question when your saying you have the bug you are talking about the icon in your abilities section not being able to check your attack speed. I have that icon always every game no questions even if she was not in my party when gaining her friendship.

Yes, the icon appearing without her in your party means you have the permanent bug. Every time you load a game with her not in your party you permanently lose 5% attack speed.

Perhaps we need to differentiate between two types of the bug.... the permanent version and the temporary version. The temporary version being when you have Isabella in your party and she is forcefully removed by the game via a quest (like To Catch a Thief) or going to the Hawke estate. In this version you'll notice that even without her in the party, you'll have the Thumbs Up ability on the ability screen and you will NOT receive the bonus from it. What makes this version temporary though is that as long as you don't save and reload, you can go to "Gather your Party" stand, switch her in and out of your party (which removes the passive ability icon), go to a safe saving place such as Hightown during the day, save and reload, and not have the issue until the next time she is forcefully removed from your party.

The permanent version comes out of either having the temporary version, or just having her in your party and saving in a non-safe saving place such as during a mission or basically anyplace other than Hightown during the day (a lot of people like to use Merril's house but it didn't work for me during Act 3) and reloading that save. In this version upon reloading you will have the Thumbs Up passive icon no matter what. You can swap Isabella into and out of your party, but upon saving and reloading you will still have the passive icon and you'll lose attack speed.

I just finished the game and carefully managed to avoid both Isabella's and Sebastien's permanent bugs throughout. Here are the rules I followed:

1) I turned autosave off. I'm not sure if it helps, but it was part of what I did when I ran into some serious troubles at one point.
2) In general, try to avoid having either of them in your party. Only put them in your party for specific quests, and be sure to save before doing so as a safe point. If they are in your party, do NOT go to the Hawke estate.
3) Save before any quest or dialogue that involves either of them.... this includes conversation quests without them in your party and any quest they are involved in (whether it be their companion quests, a quest you just want to take them along for, or a main story quest like the end of Act 2 which involves Isabella). These saves are what you go back to if something goes wrong and you find you have the bug.
4) When you do put them in your party, complete the quest or dialogue, and do not bother saving whiling doing it. You'll have to do it in one go, or start the entire thing over form your safe save without them in the party. Otherwise you'll be permanently bugged. This includes the entire end of Act 2 from "To Catch a Thief" to the beginning of Act 3 when you get Isabella back.
5) After completing the quest or dialogue, swap Isabella or Sebastien out of the party at a "Gather you party" stand, go to a safe saving place, save (in a different slot than your safe save obviously), reload, and confirm the icon isn't there. This means you are not permanently bugged. To do this, I usually do the swap at the Chantry or Hanged Man and then go to save and reload in Hightown during the day.
6) If the quest was such that Isabella was forcefully removed from your party (such as the end of Act 2, or Isabella's Act 3 companion quest), rule 4 still applies as you will have the temporary bug. The only change here is that before doing the steps in rule 5, you will have to use the stand to switch Isabella back into your party first.
7) I can't emphasize enough the importance of saving and reloading after swapping them out of your party to remove the icon in order to check whether you are bugged. Sometimes things just didn't work out and I got bugged (although I think this was due to Merril's house no longer being a safe save spot in Act 3) and I had to go back to my safe save. I did find eventually that swapping members in the Chantry and saving in Hightown during the day worked all the time for me.

There is one oddity to these rules that occured for me relating to their conversation quests for which they don't actually have to be in your party. I found that you could get the temporary bug just from talking to them without them in your party. So, for any dialogue quests I would simply put them into my party and follow rules 3 through 5 which worked.

Hope that helps. I really hope they fix this so I can play through again and enjoy the game rather than stress over avoiding these stupid bugs. I'd also like to be able to get Merril's Act 3 quest in the proper order and Aveline's final armor upgrade.

[stjasonl1]

Wow! that has the be the most thorough response I have gotten on any board ever. Thanks

[Metalheadisme]

No problem. This bug is probably the most frustrating and game-breaking and it took me reading the helpful contributions of other board members as well as a lot of experimenting on my own to successfully complete the game without getting hit by the permanent version of the bug.

Best of luck to you in doing the same, but hopefully they actually patch it first.

[Nix0]

I just read through the main points on here, and I have to say thanks all for figuring this out. I'm pretty clear on it, and sorry if this has been covered, but I have a question.

I know that at some point in my game, the thumbs up thing was stuck on even when Isabela wasn't in my party. I didn't know about this then, however, and continued to play.

Now, having noticed that Hawke is soooo freaking slow, I looked into it. Thumbs up isn't stuck on anymore. I can switch Isabela in, it comes on, and switch her out, and it's gone. Hawke continues to be slow, whether she's in the party or not, or whether I reloaded a save where she was in the party or not. I figure I was being affected at some point and now it's not? Is that how it's supposed to work and I'm totally confused? Any help would be appreciated.

[stjasonl1]

After some experimenting of my own I have found that the key to not getting the permanent bug is to have Isabella in your party when you talk to her in the hanged man, when you gain her perk and every time after. And then just be aware of all the save issues and not having her in you party when going home. But having her in your party when talking to her is key.