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[Metalheadisme]

Nix0 wrote...

I just read through the main points on here, and I have to say thanks all for figuring this out. I'm pretty clear on it, and sorry if this has been covered, but I have a question.

I know that at some point in my game, the thumbs up thing was stuck on even when Isabela wasn't in my party. I didn't know about this then, however, and continued to play.

Now, having noticed that Hawke is soooo freaking slow, I looked into it. Thumbs up isn't stuck on anymore. I can switch Isabela in, it comes on, and switch her out, and it's gone. Hawke continues to be slow, whether she's in the party or not, or whether I reloaded a save where she was in the party or not. I figure I was being affected at some point and now it's not? Is that how it's supposed to work and I'm totally confused? Any help would be appreciated.

Basically, the permanent bug has chipped away at your attack speed to the point you are crippled and there isn't much you can do about it unless you play on PC and use some of the savegame editors. Even though the permanent bug has magically disappeared, it's already done its damage in permanently reducing your attack speed.

I have also noticed that the permanent bug and magically disappear, and I have no idea why. I had a similar bug with my armor set bonus for the spiral eye and magically at one point it disappeared. I have no explanation for this.

EDIT: you may still have the permanent bug...... when you reload a save with her NOT in the party, does the Thumbs Up icon show in the abilities screen?

Modifié par Metalheadisme, 02 avril 2011 - 07:28 .

[Metalheadisme]

stjasonl1 wrote...

After some experimenting of my own I have found that the key to not getting the permanent bug is to have Isabella in your party when you talk to her in the hanged man, when you gain her perk and every time after. And then just be aware of all the save issues and not having her in you party when going home. But having her in your party when talking to her is key.

As I outlined in my rules post, talking to her while she's not in your party will give you the temporary bug. If you do so and notice you have the Thumbs Up icon in your abilities screen, it is still possible to swap her into and out of your party, go to a safe saving spot and not have the permanent bug.

You are absolutely correct though that it is easier to just have her in your party whenever you talk to her.

Modifié par Metalheadisme, 02 avril 2011 - 07:26 .

[stjasonl1]

Ok I'm running into a problem now where I think I have the temporary bug, every time I reload any save I have the icon in my abilities section but switching Isabella into and then out of my party removes the icon but even saving and reloading in a safe place the icon reappears. But switching her in and out removes it again. I just don't want to die and find I have the permanent bug. Any suggestions I think I followed your rules well and have a save I can revert to before I gained her friendship.

[Metalheadisme]

stjasonl1 wrote...

Ok I'm running into a problem now where I think I have the temporary bug, every time I reload any save I have the icon in my abilities section but switching Isabella into and then out of my party removes the icon but even saving and reloading in a safe place the icon reappears. But switching her in and out removes it again. I just don't want to die and find I have the permanent bug. Any suggestions I think I followed your rules well and have a save I can revert to before I gained her friendship.

Sorry to say, but this is the permanent bug which will chip away at your attack speed. It's permanent, because no matter what you do it'll be there upon reload and subtract 5% form your attack speed.

The temporary bug is when Isabella is forcefully removed from your party and the icon is still there but you haven't saved and reloaded.

If you tell me the exact situation where this is happening (i.e. what quests you are working on and how you are handling putting Isabella into and out of your party) I might be able to help as there are a few situations I had to experiment and try a couple things to avoid the permanent bug.

[stjasonl1]

I was just playing the beginning of Act 2 I can go to hanged man and get her full approval then I tried bringing her on the long road quest just to hear her dialog then going back to barracks to turn quest in.

[Metalheadisme]

stjasonl1 wrote...

I was just playing the beginning of Act 2 I can go to hanged man and get her full approval then I tried bringing her on the long road quest just to hear her dialog then going back to barracks to turn quest in.

Ok, so for the talking to her part, I'd go to the hanged man, switch her into my party, talk to her, switch her out at the hanged man, then go to hightown during the day, save, reload, and confirm you aren't bugged.

When trying to bring her on the long road quest, I'd first confirm I don't have the permanent bug by saving and reloading in hightown during the day. Then I'd go to the viscount's keep, switch her into the party, complete the quest, go to the chantry, switch her out of my party, go to hightown during the day, and save then reload to confirm I'm not bugged.

When it comes to her and the bug, never do two things at once between saving and reloading to confirm you are not bugged since it can become very frustrating trying to isolate exactly how you got bugged.

[GabranthSG]

I really hope bioware solves this problem soon, because it's really making me think twice about using her and I really wanted to do an all girls team for my current playthrough.

[BloodyRaw]

  They havent patched this bug yet!! Omfg!! lol Been on leave visiting my parents for a week and it this game is still bugged <_<

Modifié par BloodyRaw, 03 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[bgizznit]

How do you know if you have the bug? Will you have her bonus without her in the party?

[Ruud333]

Quick question: can you get the Friendship/Rivalry bonuses without being 100% friend/rival? I do not have Isabella 100% friend yet but I do have the bonus (time to mean to her I gues to avoid this bug!!!).

EDIT: Quick question 2!: If I load a game wihtout Isabella in my party and her bonus is not present does that mean I do not have the glitch?

[thegrimfandango]

Dammit, I was managing to edit my 360 saves just fine, but all of a sudden now all my saves are coming out corrupt when I try to fix my attack speed. And I'm completely shafted because I'm now abot to go fight the Arishok and cannot with the effects of this bug.
I've spent 2-3 hours trying to fix this and find out why they're suddenly corrupting, but to be perfectly honest I think I've pretty much had it with DA2 at this stage.

[Zan Mura]

So in other words, to pass To Catch a Thief without the bug, you need to kill all the Saarebas AND beat the Arishok without a single reload? gg

Edit: What is *extra* interesting, is that for some reason for the first time ever, at this most opportune moment, the console commands for setting approval do not work. I've restarted the game, tried it on other toons as well, I simply cannot remove approval from Isabela, Aveline, or Varric. Didn't bother trying the others. Used both zz_isa_debug as well as zz_app_debug commands. Perhaps it's triggered by the quest or something else I don't know.

Regardless, as it stands, I now have four ways to handle this bug:

• Replay over and over and over and over and over and... yes over, and over, till I get my Nightmare run to succeed through the whole Qunari attack thing without dying and *hope* I get rid of the bug in ACT 3.
• Experience the epicness by starting to spam "killallhostiles" to make sure there's zero risk involved to make a clean save in ACT 3, and then reload and play it all again honestly this time with reloads and all just to experience what it should have been like.
• Start using those dubious savegame editors that apparently haven't worked for everyone (which usually means they won't work for me).
• Quit playing.

O well, I guess I'll go with 2 without the reload, can't be bothered with that. I'd really like to say something positive and nonchalantly cool right now, but the truth is I'm rather emotional and pissed off, eager to join the bandwagon screaming GIVE US OUR PATCH YESTERDAY! Things were better when I didn't know of this bug and hadn't bothered to reach friendship with Isabela... <_< It's a real shame, the whole Qunari revolt thing is my favorite part. Gives a new meaning to Murphy's law when my favorite part meets a rather fatal bug meets another bug that prevents me from setting the approval to prevent the first bug at all. Lots of coincidences there working together to achieve a "FU Zan" moment, haha.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 05 avril 2011 - 05:18 .

[Gan Xingba]

Hey guys, ran into a weird problem with this. So, I started Act II, no glitch cause Isabela doesn't even have thumbs up yet, didn't take her to the Deep Roads, etc. I go talk to her in the Hanged Man and she gets high enough friendship to get the ability, but she's not in the party...and yet there Thumb's Up is on my abilities screen!

How do I avoid this? Do I switch her into my party before speaking to her and then switch her out, or did I get the temporary version or what? Thanks guys.

EDIT: Ah, just read the other posts more carefully. My bad. I'll just put her into my party when I talk to her and hope for the best.

Modifié par Gan Xingba, 07 avril 2011 - 06:55 .

[LylaKronos23]

Mad props BloodyRaw for all this work, i just found out about this problem recently. As a DW rogue myself i havent used Isabella at all besides her companion quests and havent befriended her but its good to know of this workaround. Nice work on this one.

[Sordel]

My DW rogue got the Isabella bug but I only noticed it on the final battle. Until then things seemed fine, so I wonder if there's a chance to "catch" it in the final series of party switches. I'm glad I didn't catch it any earlier though because it really is vile.

[Lacma]

The slow motion has happened to my pc bloodmage in the the third act. argh and grumble and just a bit o' bit o' teary eyed grief. Will try suggested fixes. Just a shame the mage rocket rampage has turned into some strange and oblivious tai chi.

[Foolsfolly]

10. If you Reload any save that is inside a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) you will recieve the bug with isabella in your party. You can save with her in you're party and not recieve the bug anywhere in kirkwall during the day, merrill and fenris house, darktown. I tested this to death do us part...like you know a free beta tester.

ARRGGHHHH!!!!

That's why! THAT'S WHY!

ARRRGHHH!!!

.....that patch can't come out soon enough. Thanks OP.

[ryoldschool]

This just posted by a dev in the Title Update 1.02

Luke Barrett wrote...

Cyano Khaar wrote...

Are you absolutely sure that the Isabela and Sebastian bugs will not get any worse? Because they still appear in the abilities screen when saving and reloading.

This is one issue we ABSOLUTELY need confirmation of. All the other bugs are minor and won't break the game (hopefully).

Yes, I'm as sure as I can possibly be. It was fixed last time we touched the game on xbox and PC users are reporting it as fixed. You can never be 100% due to the existence of .