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[BloodyRaw]

 First thank you to all the gamers out there helping others to not suffer this problem or to work around it.

  After about 4 hours of beta testing this game today without pay to find out the core issue regarding "thumbs up", I have found an answer.

   I had a save on Act 1 right before Isabella became my friend (5 minutes before) so I used that to do all my testing. After befriending her I recieved the "thumbs up" bonus as expected so I proceeded to the next steps.

1. Went to Merrills house and switched isabella out of my party. Saved then reloaded to find out I did not have the bug. Then I went to hawkes house checked to see that I did not have her bug, reloaded the autosave (entering the house) and still did not recieve this bug.

 2.  Reloaded Merrills house save (still no thumbs up and she is not in the party) put Isabella back in the party (thumbs up is in abilites screen) then went to hawkes house. Checked status within the house and the thumbs up was still there. So upon exiting the house I put Isabella back in the party went to merrills house, switched Isabella back out, saved then reloaded the save. Save reloaded isabella is not in the party no bug.

3. Repeated all steps in step 2 until "then went to hawkes house". Checked status again and yes isabella thumbs up is there, saved then reloaded the save. Isabella thumbs up is still there. Went back to merrils house with isabella still in party, switched her out then saved and reloaded. Thumbs up bug is there.

4. What caused the bug to start? Reloading a save while Isabella's thumbs up is active inside hawkes residence? Really now ok beta tester lets test this out without pay.

5. Misson "Birthright" in darktown outside anders clinic after step "2". Isabella is in party, saved and then reloaded switched her out saved in then reloaded and no bug. Remember this is right after step 2 so I have not produced the bug yet.

6. Go inside the mission "birthright" (the cellar) with isabella in the party (with no party bug yet) it autosaves. Reload the auto save within the mission, leave mission the go back to darktown next to anders clinic, switch out isabella then save. Reload save (isabella is not in party) and bam thumbs up is there. So what produced the bug? Reloading the autosave inside the mission did it.

7. Did it really? back to step "5". Outside outside anders clinic. Saved with Isabella in the party, reloaded save then switched her out. Saved again then reloaded with no thumbs up bug. Went inside the mission "birthright" without isabella in the party and it auto saves. Reload the auto save checked the ability screen and NO Thumbs up BUG. Left mission back to darktown, saved again reladed save still no bug with this woman not in the party.

8. Ok beta tester you are pretty good...how about you complete the mission with isabella in the party (start of step 5 have not produced bug). Now this misson at the end of it basically forces you to go to the hawkes estate to confront you're uncle. Ok sounds like a plan....completed misson after the convo in hawkes house I check the abilites screen to see thumbs up. Went to merrills house switched isabella out, saved then reloaded...no thumbs up bug.

9. But how?? Was it because you did not save or reload that save within a mission or hawkes place? Yes. Ok what if you went to the wonded coast with isabella in the party, saved, reloaded and went to the docks at day switched her out and reloaded. Would you get the bug then? Yes. Why?

10. If you Reload any save that is inside a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) you will recieve the bug with isabella in your party. You can save with her in you're party and not recieve the bug anywhere in kirkwall during the day, merrill and fenris house, darktown. I tested this to death do us part...like you know a free beta tester.

11. Isabella is not in my party right now after I completed the birthright mission. I have no thumbs up bug either after having multiple reloads after saving with her not in the party. You can save AnyWhere at anytime "without" her in the party and not recieve this bug.

Please post this on the PC/360 fourms because I cannot post there (ps3 baby). Have a great and wonderful night!! Hope you enjoyed the show.

[DAFerelden91]

This might solve the problem temporarily,but not permanently.Patch is still needed to fix this glitch..
Sebastian still has this sort of problem as well...

[Roas]

Nicely done, and I congratulate and thank you for your efforts in finding what seems to be the trigger for the bug.

Sadly, this is not going to get me to play the game right now, because since I'm playing the game on hard or nightmare more often than not I need to reload in the middle of missions with Isabela inevitably in my party. Sometimes crap just goes wrong.

Again, though, kudos to you for your efforts. Hopefully this somehow kicks Bioware in the butt into faster action.

[BloodyRaw]

Roas wrote...

Nicely done, and I congratulate and thank you for your efforts in finding what seems to be the trigger for the bug.

Sadly, this is not going to get me to play the game right now, because since I'm playing the game on hard or nightmare more often than not I need to reload in the middle of missions with Isabela inevitably in my party. Sometimes crap just goes wrong.

Again, though, kudos to you for your efforts. Hopefully this somehow kicks Bioware in the butt into faster action.

 Thanks I really hope this is patched soon as well because I like to have her in my party during mission's as well. More info..

The bug will START Occuring by having isabella in your party and then saving in a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside the city (sundermount wounded coast) and then "RELOADING" that specific save then you will get the thumbs up bug every time you load "any" save with her "not" in the party until the end of time.

 1. You just recieved Isabella as a friend so you get the thumbs up "passive" while she is in the party. You then go to merrils house and switch isabella out for verric, you then check the ability screen and there is no thumbs up bug. Right after this you proceed to the "Act Of Mercy" quest (any quest will do). At the end you will have a difficult choice to make (take the mage, trick the templars, kill the templars) so you save your game within the mission (isabella is not in the party, she is already hawks buddy) before the dialogue occurs.

  2. After you make you're choice you notice that you have rivalry points that you are not comfortable with, so then you proceed to Reload that save (the save before the dialogue within the mission ) to try a different choice. You check the abilites screen and "thumbs up" will* not* be there. If you never Produce the bug or start the occurance, then you will never recieve it "duh" 

   3.Lets go back to step one and lets just say while you are in merrills house you decide to keep Isabella in your party so you "do not" switch her out. Right after this you proceed AGAIN to the "Act Of Mercy" quest (any quest will do). At the end you will have a difficult choice to make (take the mage, trick the templars, kill the templars) so you save your game within the mission (with isabella in youre party) before the dialogue occurs.

    4. You then proceed to reload that save to make a different choice (the save with isabella in your party within the misson). From this point to the end of the game until bioware decides to patch it, you will recieve the "thumbs up bug" everytime you load a new save with her not in you're party. That means that everytime you reload a save Isabella has to be in you're party to not have the bug occur (this has been discussed already).

   5. Ok ok....Lets just say we are at step 3 we are at the end of step 3. Instead of reloading the save you decided to play out the rest of the mission to the end (wiithout every reloading). You then go to either the docks, hangman, fenris house, anders clinic) to switch her out. You then save  turn off you're system and go eat a sandwich. When you decide to turn back on you're system and reload that save (isabella is not in party) you will not get the bug.

  6. You could have saved a billion times (hmm thats alot)  within that mission, and still not encounter the bug after it. Why? Just as long you finish the mission without RELOADING (remember this) any of the billion saves the bug will not occur....until you decide to load an autosave or save with her in the party at the wounded coast, sundermount, any mission, and piece of land outside of kirkwall, hawks estate or residence, kirkwall at night.

   I don't know what else to say lol, I just hope it is patched. Especially since we now know the reason behind it.


   

[Reule]

My reading comprehension isn't helping me after I came home. I do have the bug currently and understand how it happened now. Is there anyway for me to get rid of it?

[BloodyRaw]

Reule wrote...

My reading comprehension isn't helping me after I came home. I do have the bug currently and understand how it happened now. Is there anyway for me to get rid of it?

 The only way you can get rid of it is if you actually went to a save prior to befriending Isabella and avioding the "conditions" that trigger the bug to start. 

  The only thing you can do now is save only when she is in you're party to avoid further Speed penalties.

[Reule]

Well, that's great. Got'cha. This needs to get fixed soon. It's been a headache trying to play a rogue with this happening.

[ragnarok789]

So far Ive finished 2 play throughs and i used Isabella as much as i could on my 2nd and i never received this bug, was that just luck or does it not affect everyone?

[homeydontplaydat]

Man, if friendship buffs are going to break the game this much then they should patch it so that Isabella & Sebastian's buffs ONLY effect them, not the PC. 5% wasn't that much anyway- especially now that its jacked up and stacking negatively on my warrior to the power of god knows what. :-(

Does anyone know WHEN there will be a patch for this? Has Bioware said anything? I'm not sure I want to continue if I'm not allowed to reload saves w/o Izzy. My first run is on Nightmare- I die A LOT lol. I might turn down the difficulty just so I can make it to the end.

Modifié par deathbyunf, 20 mars 2011 - 04:35 .

[DAFerelden91]

@ragnarok789
Well,I think your still have the bug but not a major issue since like you mentioned,you used Isabella often.The more times you switched her out of the party,the slower you Hawke will be,so I guess you're just having a minor -5% attack speed issue only.

[homeydontplaydat]

ragnarok789 wrote...

So far Ive finished 2 play throughs and i used Isabella as much as i could on my 2nd and i never received this bug, was that just luck or does it not affect everyone?

Are you sure you never had it? Or maybe you didn't notice it because she was always in your party- that would help stop the problem from negatively impacting you. Its when you take her out and save and load that she causes problems. But if you didn't have it you are one of the lucky ones.  Although honestly I'm not at a point where I can't continue to play the game like some people, but I have noticed some lag. I thought it was just me, but I do have the bug. I didn't really put her in my party until Act 3 cause she has to be managed so carefully on nightmare. My 2hander annihilates her in one hit lol. On my next run I'll just try to make her a rival I guess...

[Solaria]

i haven't had this bug(only the Merrril friendship rivalry one) and i have isabella at full friendship(with thumbs up boost) and I am forever taking her in and out of my party throughout missions i've played through and when i've been exploring kirkwall and it's surrounding areas(being put down to luck)

[chibicheesecake]

BloodyRaw, thanks for all your effort looking into this! Hopefully it gets patched soon.

I'm still a bit confused though. I have Thumbs Up but I haven't really noticed Hawke getting slower. The way I understand it is, if I have at some point triggered the bug (which I probably have), I can prevent it from getting any worse by always keeping Isabela in my party, or always keeping her out of my party? Or does it not matter if she's in my party or not, but where I save and if I reload from one of those saves? Thanks!

[Reule]

I hadn't actually noticed I was getting slower as I went by. It started half-way through Act III when I suddenly just slowed down entirely. I entered the Wounded Coast for the first time in Act III and fought a named NPC with his crew. I reloaded because I thought there might have been loot on him not showing up. After I reloaded, it happened.

Not sure what triggered it to go from being able to fight effectively to complete slow-down in animation. I might have been slowing down but the difference became extremely apparent.

Two things to help those with it. Varric's Act 3 quest you can obtain a rune that can increase your weapon's attack speed a bit. This helped me counter-act some of the slow motion but not so much. Also, have a mage constantly cast Haste.

Modifié par Reule, 20 mars 2011 - 11:17 .

[homeydontplaydat]

chibicheesecake wrote...

BloodyRaw, thanks for all your effort looking into this! Hopefully it gets patched soon.

I'm still a bit confused though. I have Thumbs Up but I haven't really noticed Hawke getting slower. The way I understand it is, if I have at some point triggered the bug (which I probably have), I can prevent it from getting any worse by always keeping Isabela in my party, or always keeping her out of my party? Or does it not matter if she's in my party or not, but where I save and if I reload from one of those saves? Thanks!

This is kind of confusing, but I'll try to explain as best I understand it...

If you have triggered the bug, you will know because when Isabella is not in your party and you check your character abilities, her buff will still be active on your toon even though she isn't there.  So what can you do?

You can either keep her in your party OR you can work around it. This is where it can become a bit confusing until you've followed the steps and seen for yourself... When you want her out of the group, save your game outside in the city of Kirkwall during the day- ie. Darktown, Lowtown, The Gallows, Hightown, (she must be in the party when you save!) Then, RELOAD that save and switch her out of the party. You will notice that her buff is no longer present.  So you will experience a false sense of relief and think, yay my game is fixed... Wrong! Now here is why its a bug, if you DIE or RELOAD a save that you made without her in your party, even if the buff was gone when you saved,  her buff will be active again even though she's not present.  This is how it jacks up peoples characters over a period of time, from saving & reloading during quests.  And most people won't notice until their character is slowed to a crawl because its a gradual loss of 5% with each reload.  

So to keep it from worsening you need to make sure you save outside during the day in Kirkwall with Isabela (or whoever is jacking you up) IN the party. So when you come back to play, you need to load the save where she is present. THEN you can switch her out and the buff should be gone until you have to reload. So if you have the bug and are playing without her, the best solution is to NOT DIE so you don't have to reload. So when you're done playing for the day you need to put her back into your party to save in one of the aforementioned zones during the day before you quit, so when you reload she's there... LOL. Doesn't that suck?  Its like she gave Hawke a chronic STD.

Modifié par deathbyunf, 21 mars 2011 - 12:44 .

[BloodyRaw]

chibicheesecake wrote...

BloodyRaw, thanks for all your effort looking into this! Hopefully it gets patched soon.

I'm still a bit confused though. I have Thumbs Up but I haven't really noticed Hawke getting slower. The way I understand it is, if I have at some point triggered the bug (which I probably have), I can prevent it from getting any worse by always keeping Isabela in my party, or always keeping her out of my party? Or does it not matter if she's in my party or not, but where I save and if I reload from one of those saves? Thanks!

 Hey Cheesecake!

 I posted the below in another topic, it answers you're question

The process that you did is the only way not to recieve a speed penalty after you started the "condition". When you reload a save with her in your party you will recieve the 5% attack speed bonus from thumbs up. When you take her out of the party the bonus you received will be subtracted from hawkes stats.

 If you would now save in any area of the game with isabella NOT  in you're party and reload that save, the game will "show" the "thumbs up" sign in hawk's ability screen but will "not" add a 5% percent bonus to his attack speed in the stats. The next time you switch out you're party (merrills house, fenris manison etc) the game will fix itself and remove the isabella's "thumbs up" from hawks ability screen. In doing so hawks stats will recieve a -5 attack speed penalty. This will happen every time you load a save without her in the party after you "start" the bug.

[chibicheesecake]

Yeeesh, what a pain! Okay, thanks deathbyunf and Bloody Raw, I've got it now.

[awwnuts07]

Thank you very much, sir. You are making the game playable again. Ya know, I don't think I'd mind this bug if it stacked the 5% speed increase over and over again. Imagine your Hawke moving as if he/she had waaaay too much coffee in the morning.

@Bioware: This guy deserves some free sh*t for finding and posting this band-aid solution.

Modifié par awwnuts07, 21 mars 2011 - 01:36 .

[BloodyRaw]

awwnuts07 wrote...

Thank you very much, sir. You are making the game playable again. Ya know, I don't think I'd mind this bug if it stacked the 5% speed increase over and over again. Imagine your Hawke moving as if he/she had waaaay too much coffee in the morning.

@Bioware: This guy deserves some free sh*t for finding and posting this band-aid solution.

 Yay Free stuff is always good . I would like black robes for my evil mage, and Ia free Patch to fix the game! I know Bioware is working on a fix, they care about all the little people.<_<

[Bathead]

So far, I haven't really been using Isabella all that much or Sebastian at all yet, so this bug isn't an issue for me right now. However, it's always good to be aware of things like this. Forewarned is forearmed. Good to know also there is a workaround should I decide to use these characters before any patches come out. Thanks BloodyRaw

[BloodyRaw]

Bathead wrote...

So far, I haven't really been using Isabella all that much or Sebastian at all yet, so this bug isn't an issue for me right now. However, it's always good to be aware of things like this. Forewarned is forearmed. Good to know also there is a workaround should I decide to use these characters before any patches come out. Thanks BloodyRaw

 You are welcome sir. Forewarned is forearmed..I like that 

[Cundu_Ertur]

Ok, I just want to make sure I have this right:
I just got Isabela's friendship bonus. I saved my game with her in my party in Darktown. I went there from the 'day' screen, but I don't think that matters. (OR DOES IT!?!?!?) So as of this moment, I should not have the bug, it should not have started on me at all, right? So if I go to the select party members shield thing outside Ander's free clinic and dump her from my party, I still won't have the bug, and I won't have to worry about catching the bug unless I put her back into my party again and then save in a mission-only room or anything that isn't in the 'day Kirkwall' map.
Right?

[DAFerelden91]

Cundu_Ertur wrote...

Ok, I just want to make sure I have this right:
I just got Isabela's friendship bonus. I saved my game with her in my party in Darktown. I went there from the 'day' screen, but I don't think that matters. (OR DOES IT!?!?!?) So as of this moment, I should not have the bug, it should not have started on me at all, right? So if I go to the select party members shield thing outside Ander's free clinic and dump her from my party, I still won't have the bug, and I won't have to worry about catching the bug unless I put her back into my party again and then save in a mission-only room or anything that isn't in the 'day Kirkwall' map.
Right?

Actually,the concept is pretty simple.Always save with Isabella and Sebastian in the party whenever you want to quit the game.Next time you reload the game,you may switch 'em out for any other companions you want.I've tried this on both Isabella and Sabastian,and it does work  My damage resistance never goes down,and my attack speed never slows down.

[Cundu_Ertur]

My head is confuzzled.
Maybe I'll just play my pro-templar mage build -- for the irony, you understand -- until this gets fixed.

How stupid are templars that they can't figure out that my mage is a mage even after she shoots fireballs up their heinies. Of course she'll support those boneheads -- the next lot may actually be competent.

[Rockpopple]

Okay, I'm a freakin' ******. This has all been explained by people much smarter than me, so please forgive me as I try to understand this one last time:

To get around this, I should always save in Kirkwall with Isabella in my party before quitting the game and reloading later?

Have I got the gist of it?

So like, here's a condition: Say I have Isabella in my party, and like a ****** I forget to switch her out, so I go to Hawke's/Gamlen's love-pad, and the game force-boots her and everyone else out of my party, then I leave my house, put Isabella in my party, go to Merrill's or Fenris's or Anders' place, save, quit and reload. If I do this, I will or will not have the bug?

Similarly, in another scenario, I have Isabella in my party, go to Hawke's place, leave, go to somewhere in Kirkwall during the day and save and quit WITHOUT Isabella in my party. What will happen then?

My understanding is in situation A, I won't have the bug, and in situation B, I will have the bug. Is that right?

Please let me know and put my feeble mind at ease.