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[Rockpopple]

Also, BioWare I love you guys, but you really need to give BloodyRaw a T-shirt or free DLC or something for cleaning up your mess. Seriously.

[Cundu_Ertur]

Quick, start a group for people too thickheaded to understand this! Not only am I the president, I'm a member! Or something like that.

Seriously, too much headache. Feed her to the Arishok and be done with it. Oh, he doesn't eat pompous Chantry rejects, though, does he?

[BloodyRaw]

Rockpopple wrote...

Okay, I'm a freakin' ******. This has all been explained by people much smarter than me, so please forgive me as I try to understand this one last time:

To get around this, I should always save in Kirkwall with Isabella in my party before quitting the game and reloading later?

Have I got the gist of it?

So like, here's a condition: Say I have Isabella in my party, and like a ****** I forget to switch her out, so I go to Hawke's/Gamlen's love-pad, and the game force-boots her and everyone else out of my party, then I leave my house, put Isabella in my party, go to Merrill's or Fenris's or Anders' place, save, quit and reload. If I do this, I will or will not have the bug?

Similarly, in another scenario, I have Isabella in my party, go to Hawke's place, leave, go to somewhere in Kirkwall during the day and save and quit WITHOUT Isabella in my party. What will happen then?

My understanding is in situation A, I won't have the bug, and in situation B, I will have the bug. Is that right?

Please let me know and put my feeble mind at ease.

 Ok first of all you are not a ******. Trying to understand something that was not supposed to happen in the first place don't make you any less intelligent then the beta testers that missed this in the first place. 

 Anyways on to the questions..

"So like, here's a condition: Say I have Isabella in my party, and like a ****** I forget to switch her out, so I go to Hawke's/Gamlen's love-pad, and the game force-boots her and everyone else out of my party, then I leave my house, put Isabella in my party, go to Merrill's or Fenris's or Anders' place, save, quit and reload. If I do this, I will or will not have the bug?"

 You will not have the bug, you are correct.

 
"Similarly, in another scenario, I have Isabella in my party, go to Hawke's place, leave, go to somewhere in Kirkwall during the day and save and quit WITHOUT Isabella in my party. What will happen then?"

 Honestly I have not left hawkes place without her in my party so I honestly don't know. The reason why I didn't do so is because any time she is forced out of you're party thoughout the game, the thumbs up will always be there in the abilites screen...just like in hawkes place. Not saving/reloading until she reenters the party will avoid any problems.

 "My understanding is in situation A, I won't have the bug, and in situation B, I will have the bug. Is that right?"

Yes you are right sir, and are not a ******.

 BTW I doubt they will give me anything free accept for a patch to my game to fix the bugs lol . Sorry I took so long to respond.

[Bigdawg13]

A couple quick questions. Assuming I have the appropriate levels of friend for the bug (Sebastion and Isabela both)...

1) Can I play the game without them in my party, as long as I never load a game without them in it? I.E. I do any questing I want without them in my party but when I save to log for the day, I put them in my party first?

2) It does not matter where I load or save, as long as they are in my party?

3) If for some crazy reason I want to load a save without them in my party, it is ok as long as they do not have sufficient friend points for the buff OR if it is in kirkwall during the day (and not a mission-specific instance of kirkwall)?

I am just trying to find a way to playthrough with friend with one or both, and not wait the months it'll take for bioware to put out a console patch. Consider if I play a rogue, asking me to play through the game with both Isabella and Sebastion in the party (3 rogue party plus healer???) seems silly. But if I can drop them and play without them, and just refrain from saving without them, then that is much better.

This bugs makes me strongly consider avoiding the rogue class until it is fixed. I wish I had made my rogue playthrough the rival one with them.

[BloodyRaw]

Bigdawg13 wrote...

A couple quick questions. Assuming I have the appropriate levels of friend for the bug (Sebastion and Isabela both)...

1) Can I play the game without them in my party, as long as I never load a game without them in it? I.E. I do any questing I want without them in my party but when I save to log for the day, I put them in my party first?

Correct sir

2) It does not matter where I load or save, as long as they are in my party?

Correct again Sir

3) If for some crazy reason I want to load a save without them in my party, it is ok as long as they do not have sufficient friend points for the buff OR if it is in kirkwall during the day (and not a mission-specific instance of kirkwall)?

3 times the charm

I am just trying to find a way to playthrough with friend with one or both, and not wait the months it'll take for bioware to put out a console patch. Consider if I play a rogue, asking me to play through the game with both Isabella and Sebastion in the party (3 rogue party plus healer???) seems silly. But if I can drop them and play without them, and just refrain from saving without them, then that is much better.

Pain in the butt

This bugs makes me strongly consider avoiding the rogue class until it is fixed. I wish I had made my rogue playthrough the rival one with them.

Rogue is really fun to play anyways, why don't you just rerole?

[Gigatyrant]

I can confirm this bug actually works both ways,I don't know exactly how to get the reverse bug though

Here is what I mean:I have 2 characters a rogue who was effected normally I.e.has thumbs up even if Isabella isn't in my party and drops 5% attack speed.I wasn't effected to badly didn't know about the bug or notice any slowdown while playing.beat the game with this character then heard about the bug.I loaded the post game auto save to see if I had the bug,I do BTW,and if I leave the estate and go to the Black Emporium,only place available,my DPS drops by 2 from 211 to 209

My second character is a Mage.Not done with the game yet,doing act 3,but he is bugged too but differently.See Isabellas friendship is maxed and yet no matter if I have her in the party or not Thumbs Up will not be added to his abilities.This is very good for me as this character can avoid speed loss

I don't know how I got the anti/reverse Isabella bug but I'm just letting everyone know it can go both ways.One potentially very bad occurrence or an acceptable,and quite frankly the way it should've been,deal where the companion gets the boost but the PC is left alone

[MuNexus]

Just to clarify I just got her Thumbs Up ability recently. While doing the quest [Wayward Son] in the Slaver Caverns. Now I would like to know if I could just play the entire game without her in my party without a constant drain on my attack speed. I really want to max her friendship and I would like to not to cripple my character in next two Acts of the game by not understanding it fully.

So as long as I do not reload with her outside of Kirkwall, during the night, or during a quest it will cause the bug? Does that mean I could get her friendship all the way to 100% then just simply keep her out of the party the entire game if I wished to do so?

I know the safest way to avoid this bug is not to get her Thumbs Up ability. But I really don't want to make her a rival and lose her later in the game. Making her a rival at this point would be troublesome.

[sestrensaz]

I have a tough one for you...

At the end of Act 2 Isabela is forced out of the party as part of a quest and you cannot bring her back into the party until the beginning of Act 3, am I right in thinking that I have to complete that whole sequence of events without ever reloading once to avoid the bug?

I ask because I know anything that forces Isabela out of the party triggers the bug (i.e. going into the Hawke Estate) but you mentioned that you can save yourself from this if you leave Hawke's Estate with Isabela in the party; go to somewhere like Merrill's House; save and reload and the bug will be successfully avoided?

God I hope that's right... otherwise there appears to be no way to avoid triggering the bug when moving from Act 2 to Act 3.

Modifié par sestrensaz, 30 mars 2011 - 12:45 .

[sestrensaz]

I feel a little foolish responding to myself, but incase anyone was wondering; what I wrote above is indeed correct... if you get through the ending of Act 2 without reloading once, then in Act 3 go speak to Isabela in the Hanged Man; put her in the party and then go to Merrill/Anders/Fenris's place save and reload, the bug will not have triggered.

Phew... 

Modifié par sestrensaz, 30 mars 2011 - 02:35 .

[Metalheadisme]

anyone have any luck avoiding the bug in the act 3 Sebastien companion quest Faith?

It seems that no matter how I go about it, my game saves after the quest are bugged.

[wayne.lennon]

I'm a little confused about how this bug works, and if it's affecting me.

Isabella left my party in Act 2, but I got friendship with her just as she left the party. She didn't return when facing the Arishok, and I no longer have her as a selectable party member in Act 3, but I do have her friendship icon.

Does this bug affect me, if so how, and what can I do about it?

[DAFerelden91]

wayne.lennon wrote...

I'm a little confused about how this bug works, and if it's affecting me.

Isabella left my party in Act 2, but I got friendship with her just as she left the party. She didn't return when facing the Arishok, and I no longer have her as a selectable party member in Act 3, but I do have her friendship icon.

Does this bug affect me, if so how, and what can I do about it?

I don't think you can do much from this point since Isabela left you party permanently.This glitch will continue bugging until the end of the game,and your attack speed will go down every time you load your game..In this case,there are only two things you can do.One,load the autosave before she left the party and tried you best to build some friendship with her in order to prevent her from leaving the company for good.Secondly,wait for the patch..That's all I can say..

[sestrensaz]

wayne.lennon wrote...

I'm a little confused about how this bug works, and if it's affecting me.

Isabella left my party in Act 2, but I got friendship with her just as she left the party. She didn't return when facing the Arishok, and I no longer have her as a selectable party member in Act 3, but I do have her friendship icon.

Does this bug affect me, if so how, and what can I do about it?

Yes, you are affected by the bug - if her friendship buff icon is present when she is not in the party it means you have triggered it and it cannot be undone without going back to a point before it started - basically before you got her to 50% friendship.

Once you've done that you can either go full rivalry with her which has no glitch at all and you can play the game as normal, or if you want to go full friendship you can only reload saves when she is not in the party - the only time you can reload a save with her in the party is if you are inside Kirkwall during the day or inside party members houses - i.e. Merrill/Fenris/Anders' place - not sure if you can do it in the barracks or the chantry.  You cannot go into the Hawke Estate with her in your party, and you should avoid any other instance where she can be forced out of your party without using the character select screen.  i.e. walking into the Qunari compound with her in the party as that also triggers the bug.  If you were to do this then you have to leave again with her in the party, go to a safe saving spot (e.g. Merrill's House) save the game with her in the party, reload and then take her out - the bug should not have triggered.  This is the only way to go through Act 2 as she is forced out for the duration of the Act 2 end quest.  It's a pain but unfortunately this means you cannot load the game at all during the ending of Act 2 - which if you are playing on hard/nightmare difficulty might get frustrating.  Better to just do it on normal or casual just to be sure you won't die.

If you go back and read the OP of this thread, you'll get a better understanding of all the ways in which you can avoid triggering the bug and managing the party... but with your current save going into Act 3 with no Isabela with the bug active means you will suffer a -5% speed penalty every time you load the game.

For me, I had to go back to the beginning of Act 2 to get to a point before the bug hit and start from there, which lost me around 30 hours play time, so believe me, I feel your pain!

It's like DAFerelden91 said, the only other option is to wait for the patch which hopefully will be arriving soon.  If you insist on continuing with your current save then I would suggest playing on casual or normal and try to avoid reloading your game as much as possible to minimise the damage.  Unfortunately, however the game will slow your attack speed by 5% every time; there's just no fix for that right now.

[Nick1973]

Don't wait for miracles.
When (i use this word instead of "if" - crossed fingers) the patch will be out, and if it will help with isabela's bug you will have to RESTART a new game. Forget the fix for your existing one.
Come on, be realistic friends!

[Nick1973]

........and pray with me!
PATCH - PATCH - PATCH - PATCH

[sestrensaz]

Nick1973 wrote...

Don't wait for miracles.
When (i use this word instead of "if" - crossed fingers) the patch will be out, and if it will help with isabela's bug you will have to RESTART a new game. Forget the fix for your existing one.
Come on, be realistic friends!

Luke already confirmed there is a patch in the works here.
Since then people have been badgering him for news of when 'soon' is, but nothing.  I suspect it will not be arriving this week... some people are hopeful for Friday but I'm not holding my breath.

Of course, there is the chance this patch will not correct bugs in existing save games and if that is the case I can hear the screaming already.  It's not like DA2 is a short game; restarting would be very painful for a lot of people.  It's not outside of the realm of possibility that it can be corrected without starting again since it is only an incorrectly applied buff.  Once the game is righted and you load up your save and overwrite it with a correctly working buff, I don't see why it couldn't be painlessly fixed.

I anticipate playing through the game one more time after the patch anyway.... thankfully having this information on how to avoid the bug has allowed me to play through without Isabela or Sebastian causing me too much hassle.

Modifié par sestrensaz, 31 mars 2011 - 04:02 .