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[lord sohrab]

Morrigan isnt a fan of maker....she says so in her first convo with Leilanna when u put them together in ur party...she doesnt believe in the maker...
I don't think anyone's gonna bring the maker(since most probably he doesnt exist)the chantry wants to fix this so there may be some freak religious types from the chantry coming up with a plan to bring back the maker(like in FFXIII)
I would be thrilled to see Warden and Hawke in the next game,that would be awesome

[Noatz]

Flemeth's motives are utterly inscrutable at the moment, she could just delight in watching the world burn for all we know.

Eww please no i would like the Maker to be not real but made up or else it Resembles Religion too much for me

You mean a made up god doesn't resemble religion already?

[Wulfram]

Gotta catch 'em all

[Tainan7509]

i think that maybe the entire problem is chantry itself. There are white and black divine and this always makes me wonder why and how. I also believe there maybe both chantry has something to do with darkspawn. Another thing makes me wonder is about Flemeth. I guess perhaps before human and other race even exist, there are full of people like her and later human comes in (perhaps the beginning of chantry) and kill all of them. There is one evidence i got for support my idea. That is Cassandra Pentaghast, she is a member of the royal family of Nevarra and her ancestry who hundreds of years ago nearly kill all the dragons. her family maybe play a huge role in the beginning of the existence of chantry and her is family is just part of it. Maybe there is more Bioware need to explain. How does chantry come to play in the world? Just my guessing.

[Deadlysyns]

Noatz wrote...

Flemeth's motives are utterly inscrutable at the moment, she could just delight in watching the world burn for all we know.

Eww please no i would like the Maker to be not real but made up or else it Resembles Religion too much for me

You mean a made up god doesn't resemble religion already?

okay well yeah but if the maker returns to save the world it just becomes like Christianity 

[Emzamination]

ANKERS666 wrote...

maybe its morrigan who is collecting heros, we know there is a mirror in kirkwall, maybe she see the champion and makes a plan, plus at the end of witch hunt she says change is coming and that change is the only way to 'set people free', she knew what was coming and maybe the hero, champion and baby are part of her plan to bring the maker back to the world. just an idea, opinions??

If I remember correctly I think one of the devs said witch hunt had no plot flags so its pretty much useless.

[tywinsregards]

Shacary wrote...

I got the impression that Flemeth was like an old god. way more than meets the eye. I wonder if she herself did the baby god thing then swallowed it? [ er merged with it?] I didnt find her evil either tbh, cold at times, powermongering perhaps based on Morrigans testimony, but Morrigan herself was too. so.....

Thats what I keep thinking or that she is something like anders. But I kinda wonder if she gona do something like the Imperium and try to destroy (or dethrone) the maker and become god. That would be one hell of a finale for dragon age!!

[Dangerfoot]

Deadlysyns wrote...
okay well yeah but if the maker returns to save the world it just becomes like Christianity 

It's already very similar, though the most pointless parallel that I've noticed is that Andrastite priests and templars are chaste.

Modifié par Dangerfoot, 19 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[Werrf]

I think it's pretty clear that Flemeth is a prime mover of the good guys at this point - she jump started the plots for the Warden and Hawke, it's pretty clear they both would've died rather grisly deaths if she hadn't stepped flapped in, and at least now we have a much clearer idea of how exactly she saved the Warden the first time. I also don't think she's truly evil. Quoth Frodo Baggins, "a servant of the enemy would, or so I imagine...look fairer, but feel fouler." She's never gone out of her way to disguise herself as anything cute or harmless, or really anything other than what she apparently is - a hugely powerful witch with a smart mouth and fickle temper. If she was truly a villain pretending to do good things, one would imagine she'd be a little more clandestine with her disdain.

Of course, we also don't truly know who the bad guys are yet in the mythology of the DA-verse.  Certainly there was something odd about the latest Blight, and it seems rather a coincidence that it just happened to start in a place as politically unstable as Ferelden just as they had been freed from Orlais, the Dalish, Dwarves and Circle had all been incapacitated.  And then there's the huge level of blood magic in Kirkwall, just as the Flemeth-selected champion arrives...  Coincidence?

Modifié par Werrf, 20 mars 2011 - 12:49 .

[mawdudi]

Since Minsc and Boo are not anymore property of Bioware, they had to make a new hero team: the warden and the champion.

Can't anyone else see the clear hint ?

[tywinsregards]

Werrf wrote...

I think it's pretty clear that Flemeth is a prime mover of the good guys at this point - she jump started the plots for the Warden and Hawke, it's pretty clear they both would've died rather grisly deaths if she hadn't stepped flapped in, and at least now we have a much clearer idea of how exactly she saved the Warden the first time. I also don't think she's truly evil. Quoth Frodo Baggins, "a servant of the enemy would, or so I imagine...look fairer, but feel fouler." She's never gone out of her way to disguise herself as anything cute or harmless, or really anything other than what she apparently is - a hugely powerful witch with a smart mouth and fickle temper. If she was truly a villain pretending to do good things, one would imagine she'd be a little more clandestine with her disdain.

Of course, we also don't truly know who the bad guys are yet in the mythology of the DA-verse.  Certainly there was something odd about the latest Blight, and it seems rather a coincidence that it just happened to start in a place as politically unstable as Ferelden just as they had been freed from Orlais, the Dalish, Dwarves and Circle had all been incapacitated.  And then there's the huge level of blood magic in Kirkwall, just as the Flemeth-selected champion arrives...  Coincidence?

She's pretty much the illusive man of DA without cerberus( god forbid if she did lead a group) but with the potential to be far worse. Also just a random thought, does anybody else think DA3 might pull something similar to FF13 and the plot will end up being that all this war and bloodshed will open up a gateway to the relm were the maker is or cause some type of massive tear in the veil? Just a thought

[Draco856]

I think it will cause a tear in the veil just because of all the bloodshed...I also think the Imperium will take the war and use the blood of all those that died to continue what they failed to do last time.

[Blacklash93]

... Kind of makes her sound like Theresa from Fable.

[Melca36]

Flemeth knew Loghain would betray Marric........

Everything has been set in motion.

[thegreateski]

Or eating them.

[Neto30]

TS2Aggie wrote...

She's trying to collect the whole set. She's already got SR1 Revan and Exile, now she's got SR2 Warden and Hawke. What's next, I wonder?

thats the same thing that came to mind when i saw the end, Kreia=Flemeth, Revan=The Warden, and Hawk=The Exile lol 

[likeorasgod]

Shacary wrote...

I got the impression that Flemeth was like an old god. way more than meets the eye....

I figured this is pretty much the same for her and Sandel....there old gods or messengers of them.

[hawat333]

Possible.
Flemeth is one entity to set events in motion, and we are yet to discover her true motivations.
I could completely imagine her knowing about something big, bigger than the Blights, bigger than the mage-templar conflicts, bigger than we can comprehend with our current knowledge of DA's world.

Or if not, she's simply a device to send heroes here and there.

[lord sohrab]

the ideas here are intresting,but I would bet on chantry being on the fault because well if we skip to reality for once most of the crap in the history comes from religious systems and ideologies so it's possible that the chantry did something horrible once and then covered the truth and blamed the imperium for what created the blight,because most of the history we hear in DA is created by the chantry and as u can see they are just a bunch of hysterical hypocrites and pretencious people who talk about mercy.....I guess we just have to wait a couple of years and see how it plays out,i just hope they don't rush anything and end everything in DA3!

[JediHealerCosmin]

This situation reminded me of the Spider-Man cartoon series where Madam Web sent Spidey on a planet where he summoned other heroes 

[ginzaen]

Melca36 wrote...

Flemeth knew Loghain would betray Marric........

Everything has been set in motion.

do you mean cailan? as i thought marrics death was at sea or something?

[monopoly1888]

SamilTane wrote...

Hmmm... intriguing idea. I also notice that the protagonists of the two games are now called the Hero of Ferelden and the Champion of Kirkwall respectively. Perhaps we'll have a few more games where we'll raise more "regional heroes" - say... the Saviour of Orlais and the Avenger of the Imperium or something - who all end up disappearing somehow... intriguing.

I love the idea and have thought about it my self. But unless they have two heros from DA3, the series will have gone on too long imo. i doubt they will have 3 more games.

P.S. nice names for the new heroes.

P.P.S. maybe it will Hero Of Ferelden, Champ of Kirkwall, Savior of Orlais, and The original Sten or Sandal

ENCHANTMENT:police:

[Tamahome560]

Well so far we know:

- Both The Warden and The Champion have disappeared and this apparently is ''no coincidence''.
- Both The Warden and The Champion were saved by Flemeth.
- Flemeth knew what awaits both of them and has set them in the direction to fulfil their destinies.
- Both The Warden and The Champion have met and were helped Bodahn and Sandal.
- Both The Warden and The Champion have met Sandal just before their final battles.

Flemeth was there for both of them at the beginning of their journeys while Sandal was there at the end. I think it's no coincidence given Sandal's magical abilities and his prophecy. Maybe they are indeed finding heroes throughout Thedas and setting their destinies in motion for some kind of greater scheme.

[Popanti]

Flemeth all but forced Morrigan on the Hero of Ferelden, to go with him, and to take part in the following events. She took care that her daughter would have the tools and the motives that led to her "developing" the idea of filtering the corrupted old god (that was the arch demon) into her unborn child.
My assumption is that Flemeth had this planned for a long time. She then, obviously, would be after the old god reborn. To what ends, we can only speculate on, but I'd gather the role of the Champion of Kirkwall was really only that of a courier by chance.

The ties of the Hero of Ferelden and the Champion of Kirkwall to Sandal, on the other hand, seem far less"instrumental". All we know is that Sandal must at least have the power to stop a sizeable force of enemies on his own, and that he has a vison of the future. Also, he may or may not have regular encounters with Flemeth, or a vision of her. (The scary old woman he speaks of). Chances are he is akin to anders in being fused with a fade spirit, perhaps curiosity(?) or something like that. (I somehow doubt the "lyrium addled" story, because we saw what lyrium did to Garin of Orzammar, and that was nothing like Sandal. At all.)

What really itches me is to know if Sandal is another player like Flemeth, or one of the champions she has encountered and "on her list", if that is the case. So many possibilities! I really enjoy all the guesswork on here

[Zan Mura]

I'm still betting my money on that Flemeth is an Old God. Not a God god of course, but the kind of extremely powerful mage / fused abomination / blood mage combination that later came to earn that title when stories were twisted by those who wrote history.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 26 mars 2011 - 03:16 .