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[lovgreno]

Almostfaceman wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

Earth is burning. Striking from beyond known space, a race of
terrifying machines have begun their destruction of the human race. As
Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving
mankind is to rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one
final mission to take back the Earth.

And as we all know, Hacket is involved in Arrival. It seems like they might be setting Shepard up to re-join the Alliance which would be pretty lame if it was madatory. It would be a cool option for those who want it but they better give us an option to stick with Ceberus or work by ourselves as well.

Well they shoe-horned you into the Alliance in the first game, not sure why they'd have a problem doing it again in the 3rd game. 

And a totaly akward shoehorning into Failberus in ME2. I hope we can have some allies who are actualy strong and big in the last game instead. A spectre and a Alliance Marine sounds like someone who have a better chance of rallying a army than a agent of a small and isolated bunch of incompetent terrorists.

[Lee337]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Doctor Solus wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I hope it isn't forced but damn it I love the Alliance and the Council, Cerberus can kill itself.

The Alliance.. ok..

The Council..? "Ah, yes, Reapers.."

Cerberus may not be the most liberal group, but they get stuff done!

Suuuuurree... <_<

Ooo ooo ooo! Sarcasm! I don't really know why though, since no one else is doing anything there's not really an arguement there...

Where are SOLID profs backed up such absolute statement?

Like was told (and IGNORED by failberus supporters) many times in the past, for Alliance and original Council Shepard working with failberus is consider as SECURITY RISK so it's OBVIOUS that s/he will be keept in dark about Alliance/Council actions to counter reapers threat.

Ooo ooo, arguements enforced by orange letters!

If they were doing anything Anderson would have said leave cerberus and help us. Instead he says we can't help you. The alliance turns up after the collectors are gone and believe cerberus are behind it and send the VS to look into it. The alliance and council are on completely the wrong track and refuse to listen to Shepard. Shep knows more about the Reapers than anyone else alive, if they were truly  trying to find the reapers themselves then they'd need him.
There's not once shred of evidence, not even someone spreading rumours that the Alliance is going to stop the reapers. That is of course unless Cerberus hasn't actually gone rogue and is still sercretly and arm of the alliance. And it was cerberus who got Shep through the Omega 4 relay. Even if the Alliance and council were doing something it's not enough. And not enough with the end of the galaxy at stake, is as good as nothing.
I don't like cerberus, and now Liara is the Shadow Broker, given the choice I'll just go free lance.
And you remember the first game? Even on thier side they don't belive you until they are under attack, they ground the Normandy and if it wasn't for Anderson and Shep going rogue, they'd all be dead.

[Moiaussi]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

betd2 wrote...

Why not force us to rejoin the alliance. they forced us to join Cerberus.

They already "forced" us to join the Alliance in ME 1 - I think in ME 3 we'll probably make our own faction and build it up.

They also 'forced' us to be an N7 marine, and to have the Normandy. You are right, it probably would have been a much better game if Shepard had been floating in nothingness limbo with no background or environment at all... oh wait, that would have been "forced" too.

As for building our own faction, that is possible... they have borrowed more than enough else from B5 I sort of wonder if the N7 thing is another B5 homage.....

[MadCat221]

omgodzilla wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Shepard never left the alliance.

He kinda did when he died.

Technically he did when he got his Spectre badge.

[Moiaussi]

Lee337 wrote...

If they were doing anything Anderson would have said leave cerberus and help us. Instead he says we can't help you. The alliance turns up after the collectors are gone and believe cerberus are behind it and send the VS to look into it. The alliance and council are on completely the wrong track and refuse to listen to Shepard. Shep knows more about the Reapers than anyone else alive, if they were truly  trying to find the reapers themselves then they'd need him.
There's not once shred of evidence, not even someone spreading rumours that the Alliance is going to stop the reapers. That is of course unless Cerberus hasn't actually gone rogue and is still sercretly and arm of the alliance. And it was cerberus who got Shep through the Omega 4 relay. Even if the Alliance and council were doing something it's not enough. And not enough with the end of the galaxy at stake, is as good as nothing.
I don't like cerberus, and now Liara is the Shadow Broker, given the choice I'll just go free lance.
And you remember the first game? Even on thier side they don't belive you until they are under attack, they ground the Normandy and if it wasn't for Anderson and Shep going rogue, they'd all be dead.

Anderson may have had his hands tied, or may simply have trusted Shepard as he has throughout the series.Working from within Cerberus would have had some advantages in that it effectively adds Cerberus resources to whatever else is being done, and in this case meant that Shepard had access to key intel which TIM was otherwise conceiling.

Unlike the other factions, the Alliance is militarizing irrespective of the Reapers. We know that there are some things being done though in that the Turians did develop the Thanix, and the STG do believe in the Reapers (Morden didn't scoff at Shepard. To the contrary, he took Shepard seriously immediately).

Regardless of whether he is Councellor or not, Anderson is still subject to central command and to Alliance politics as well as those of the Council. We know that the Alliance goverment is infiltrated by Cerberus too.

[Akizora]

Agreed, the alliance the council left my Shepard to rot, they burried the truth about the reapers and refused to even talk to me. They can go burn in hell while I save the galaxy, I just want to tell them "Told you so, idiots." before they die.

The only real friend I had left in the alliance was Anderson, since Ashley also pretty much abandoned me...So yeah, I'd much rather make my own little "faction" or "alliance" of all the species and become President over it with my base of operations at Babylon 5...Err the Normandy...

[Zulu_DFA]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Doctor Solus wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I hope it isn't forced but damn it I love the Alliance and the Council, Cerberus can kill itself.

The Alliance.. ok..

The Council..? "Ah, yes, Reapers.."

Cerberus may not be the most liberal group, but they get stuff done!

Suuuuurree... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Ooo ooo ooo! Sarcasm! I don't really know why though, since no one else is doing anything there's not really an arguement there...

Where are SOLID profs backed up such absolute statement?

Like was told (and IGNORED by failberus supporters) many times in the past, for Alliance and original Council Shepard working with failberus is consider as SECURITY RISK so it's OBVIOUS that s/he will be keept in dark about Alliance/Council actions to counter reapers threat.

Why ignored? What you say is pretty much true. And since it's not like Shepard stopped to be a "security risk" for them after continuing to work for Cerberus, and even taking out the former Council's bestest buddy in the business of maintaining the galactic stagnation... I can't see how THAT is going to change. TIM got you stuck on their bad side, grats!

[Lee337]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Doctor Solus wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I hope it isn't forced but damn it I love the Alliance and the Council, Cerberus can kill itself.

The Alliance.. ok..

The Council..? "Ah, yes, Reapers.."

Cerberus may not be the most liberal group, but they get stuff done!

Suuuuurree... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Ooo ooo ooo! Sarcasm! I don't really know why though, since no one else is doing anything there's not really an arguement there...

Where are SOLID profs backed up such absolute statement?

Like was told (and IGNORED by failberus supporters) many times in the past, for Alliance and original Council Shepard working with failberus is consider as SECURITY RISK so it's OBVIOUS that s/he will be keept in dark about Alliance/Council actions to counter reapers threat.

Why ignored? What you say is pretty much true. And since it's not like Shepard stopped to be a "security risk" for them after continuing to work for Cerberus, and even taking out the former Council's bestest buddy in the business of maintaining the galactic stagnation... I can't see how THAT is going to change. TIM got you stuck on their bad side, grats!

I don't think Anderson is the type to let politics stand in the way of saving the galaxy from certain doom.

[Zulu_DFA]

Lee337 wrote...

I don't think Anderson is the type to let politics stand in the way of saving the galaxy from certain doom.

That's what he obviously likes to think of himself anyway. That's why he went rogue.

[Lee337]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

I don't think Anderson is the type to let politics stand in the way of saving the galaxy from certain doom.

That's what he obviously likes to think of himself anyway. That's why he went rogue.

It's a possibilty that the events with Saren and Anderson were personal and thats what pushed Anderson rogue, not the threat of the reapers.

[Asheer_Khan]

Oh... so now Anderson is declared as rogue because he dared to kick timmy in his "daddy packages"?

Anyway... somehow i suspect that Arrival will cause some stirs among failberus supporters and even that simple words from trailer "...Alliance Marine..." could indicated that failberus is on the route to ME history trash can.

[omgodzilla]

vader da slayer wrote...

You are and Alliance Soldier and Spectre you never stopped being one. You aren't going to be "forced" to rejoin the Alliance since you never left it and dieing doesn't magicly relieve you of your sworn duty. The first step Shepard would take after the end of ME2 would be to go back to the Alliance and Council seeing as how he kinda left the Illusive man sitting there and they have a better ability to fight the reapers than cerberus does. (if you pay attention to both paragon and renegade endings you can tell he's "leaving" cerberus).

Shepard doesn't have a choice, particularly in relation to the Alliace Military seeing as how NOT reporting for duty would make him AWOL (he's alive now, they know he is) and thats a courtmarshable offense. Oh and they never investigated Shepard for anything Hackett stopped that before it got started.

I didn't really get the impression that he was leaving Cerberus from the renegade ending. Besides, that would be a pretty retarded thing to do right after giving them the collector base. Also, if Shepard retained his spectre status then the Alliance doesn't have any authority over him. They sure as hell can't court-marshal him...

And as you said, Hackett stopped the Alliance officials from investigating Shepard. Who is to say that they he won't stop them from court-marshalling him even if he didn't retain his spectre status? All I wan't is an option to choose which faction I hold allegiences to. Paragons can get the Alliance. Renegades can get Cerberus and the neutral option would be to just go free-lance. If I can't stay with Cerberus then atleast just let me go free-lance.

Modifié par omgodzilla, 19 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[omgodzilla]

double post

Modifié par omgodzilla, 19 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[Akizora]

omgodzilla wrote...

All I wan't is an option to choose which faction I hold allegiences to. Paragons can get the Alliance. Renegades can get Cerberus and the neutral option would be to just go free-lance. If I can't stay with Cerberus then atleast just let me go free-lance.

Yeah I hope my Shepard can be more proactive in ME3 and not take orders from someone with their own ulterior motives or someone that has their head so far up their behind they can't see where the dark sun is shining.

I wouldn't mind being known as "alliance" if the alliance was following me and not the other way around, afterall I have the shadowbroker in my backpocket, I have one of the most advanced war and scoutships in the galaxy with an unshackled and powerful AI and the best pilot money can't buy.

[PsychoWARD23]

Naltair wrote...

Different strokes for different folks, I can't support an organization run by the Illusive Man, just can't do it.

Edit: Anyway, I do hope it is not a forced decision, but it's a minor quibble for me.

Funny, because the Alliance is also run by The Illusive Man.

[Sith_exar_kun]

Cerberus Is a little bit in trouble after retribution!

[Canarith]

I am just gonna say that the Alliance really didn't care a lick for Horizon. They sent one person who says in the game "We got reports this was the next one to be hit." The funny thing about that is that if you think a human colony is going to be hit, don't you send more than a token force there? Clearly they don't seem to care or don't recognize the threat. The Shadow Broker knew far more about the Collectors than anyone, including the Alliance. Kinda sad when you think about it.

[Lee337]

Canarith wrote...

I am just gonna say that the Alliance really didn't care a lick for Horizon. They sent one person who says in the game "We got reports this was the next one to be hit." The funny thing about that is that if you think a human colony is going to be hit, don't you send more than a token force there? Clearly they don't seem to care or don't recognize the threat. The Shadow Broker knew far more about the Collectors than anyone, including the Alliance. Kinda sad when you think about it.

Maybe they thought the VS was superman/woman?

[Arvuti]

Naltair wrote...

I hope it isn't forced but damn it I love the Alliance and the Council, Cerberus can kill itself.

Where the hell was the Alliance or the Council when Normandy was blown to pieces and the only man / woman who can save the galaxy died a slow and painful death. Without Cerberus Shepard would still be either pile of skin and bones or being experimented on by the collectors.

[Trekfanboy]

I was forced to join Cerberus for most of ME2 so I don't care if I'm forced to Join the Alliance.

Oh, and NEITHER the Alliance or Cerberus does anything in ME or ME without Shepard. Every Cerberus project not invloving Shepard ends in disaster and we never see an Alliance mission that turns out good without Shepard.

Modifié par Trekfanboy, 19 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[Count Viceroy]

betd2 wrote...

Why not force us to rejoin the alliance. they forced us to join Cerberus.

[DPSSOC]

vader da slayer wrote...
You are and Alliance Soldier and Spectre you never stopped being one. You aren't going to be "forced" to rejoin the Alliance since you never left it and dieing doesn't magicly relieve you of your sworn duty.

 
Well you can stop being a Spectre (if you tell the Council where to stuff it).  As for the death bit, I'm pretty sure most military oaths only hold unto death.  That's why you can demand the return of Bhatia's body in ME1.  If the oath held up past death the Alliance could just say, "No she's still serving the Alliance, we're sorry for your loss but you're not getting her back."

vader da slayer wrote...
The first step Shepard would take after the end of ME2 would be to go back to the Alliance and Council seeing as how he kinda left the Illusive man sitting there and they have a better ability to fight the reapers than cerberus does. (if you pay attention to both paragon and renegade endings you can tell he's "leaving" cerberus).

Didn't get that impression at all from how I played my ending.  I've seen the option played out where you can keep the base and still tell TIM to go to hell, but when I played it out my convo with TIM was cautioning him against getting ahead of himself, him pointing out that we need each other, and my agreeing.  Been a while though, perhaps I'll boot up an old save and see how it plays out.

vader da slayer wrote...
Shepard doesn't have a choice, particularly in relation to the Alliace Military seeing as how NOT reporting for duty would make him AWOL (he's alive now, they know he is) and thats a courtmarshable offense.

 
Shepard was put above and beyond the Alliance chain of command the day he/she was made a Spectre.  That's why in ME1 Hackett asks you to do his odd jobs rather than orders you.  Shepard is part of the Alliance military in so far as he/she decides to be.

vader da slayer wrote...
Oh and they never investigated Shepard for anything Hackett stopped that before it got started.

No Hackett stopped them trying to bring you in by force.  I could believe that Horizon was just an investigation into Cerberus' possible ties to the missing colonies if they had sent anyone but the VS.  The only reason to send the VS on a mission like that (ok Kaidan might be legit but not Ash) is to draw Shepard out in the event he/she is working for Cerberus.

I don't think they'll force us to work with the Alliance, we were given the option to tell the Council where to stick their Spectre status I'd like to think we'll be able to do the same with the Alliance.

Edit:

Oh and

Trekfanboy wrote...

I was forced to join Cerberus for most of ME2 so I don't care if I'm forced to Join the Alliance.

Oh, and NEITHER the Alliance or Cerberus does anything in ME or ME without Shepard. Every Cerberus project not invloving Shepard that we hear about ends in disaster and we never see an Alliance mission that turns out good without Shepard.

There you go.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 19 mars 2011 - 10:38 .

[The-Person]

I have a feeling that we will be working with both in ME3, that way everybody is happy, and so that they don't need to make such a big difference in scenario.

[jbblue05]

Shepard swore an oath to serve the Allliance.
The Alliance saved you from Slavers, helped you escape poverty on Earth, or you have an strong Alliance pedigree and spent your whole childhood on Alliance ships. Spent 10+ years in the Alliance, gave you a brand new protoype ship

So why wouldn't Shepard work with the Alliance?.

Some of you don't want to re-join the Alliance because they don't hero-worship you and treat you like a demigod?

If your pro-cerberus than you should have no problems working with the Alliance they are partners in crime a dynamic duo.

[DPSSOC]

jbblue05 wrote...

Shepard swore an oath to serve the Allliance.
The Alliance saved you from Slavers, helped you escape poverty on Earth, or you have an strong Alliance pedigree and spent your whole childhood on Alliance ships. Spent 10+ years in the Alliance, gave you a brand new protoype ship

So why wouldn't Shepard work with the Alliance?.

A fair question, part of it could be the fact the Alliance hasn't done a good job of protecting it's citizens.  Keep in mind what the Alliance military doctrine is, minimal garrisons for defense and hope someone can get a warning off soon enough for the fleet to get there for something other than clean-up.  This doctrine, while it may be sensible, is in part responsible for what happened on Eden Prime, Elysium, and Feros.  Some people could also feel the Alliance is selling out the species to make good with the Council (to hell with borders and jurisdiction the colonies in the Terminus were our people).  Or perhaps they simply don't want to be placed under someone else's command (most likely a rather incompetent somene else.

Personally I don't want to rejoin the Alliance because they've proven to be remarkably ineffective.  Their response to Eden Prime was to do nothing, their response to Batarian agression is to do nothing (well nothing proactive), they are, in short, a do nothing government.  I wouldn't mind having them as allies but I will not submit to their authority.

As for Shepard's oath depending on the wording it could be null and void (cancelled upon Shepard's death if not Spectre initiation) or open to intepretation as to how best to "serve the Alliance".  Alas we'll never know.