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[jasonsantanna]

My take on Shep , joining with the alliance or stay with Cerberus was that after the Shadow Broker DLC he was an independent, and that his resources , in-tel and missions would come from the Shadow Broker aka Liara, so in ME2 you had the choice to stay a Spectre or not thur the council,giving you the council resources ,which you could still use the SB as an informant either way ,if choosing to stay with Cerberus you still use SB in-tel as your own trust worthy info.
But the events of the last book has the Normandy crew of the grid , my take is that Shep is Independent with the SB and using which ever resources or alliances to help better his chances of winning against the Reapers, you had these options since ME if you choice to spare the Rachni Queen and so forth, in other words if you choose to become part of a certain group it gives you those resources if not it may just make your missions a little hard to accomplish if your not.
But all in all he is an Independent.

[Dean_the_Young]

leonia42 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nothing about joining the Spectres entailed leaving the Alliance. There was never any renouncing of all prior oaths.

So when Anderson and everyone says "You don't answer to us any more" he meant Shepard was still an Alliance soldier? When you leave the Citadel for the first time, Udina reminds Shepard that while he/she doesn't answer to the Alliance any more they are still responsible for being the face of humanity in whatever they choose to do. There are many references to Shepard no longer having to answer to Alliance command (because as a Spectre, Shepard isn't a member of the actual Alliance any more..).

No, because as a Spectre Shepard isn't accountable to the Alliance anymore. It doesn't entail or imply leaving the Alliance: the two are not mutually exclusive.

Shepard doesn't stop being a member of the Alliance, Shepard gets a special tab in his folder in which the Alliance agrees that he can't be forced to do anything, the same with any other Spectre. It doesn't change that Shepard's folder still says 'Alliance.'

[Pwener2313]

Hackett says to Shepard that he is still an Alliance soldier. It's in ME2 where he is named KIA and is no longer a soldier.

[Dean_the_Young]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Simply because the Council didn't retaliate against Shepard immediately after the actions on the Citadels doesn't mean they can't, won't, or don't reserve the right to. Delays in retribution and accountability occur quite frequently: the lack of immediate enforcement capability (Baily wasn't going to help them), cost-benefit, or just not deeming it a significant enough violation. There's no implicit concession that Shepard can do whatever he wants wherever he wants.

Mass Effect doesn't go into the actual legalese between the Council and Spectre's, so your opinion is pure speculation.  Let me add some of my own speculation in saying that if the Council can choose to prosecute a Spectre for past crimes committed as a Spectre then no one will become a Spectre. 

Speculation that's far firmer grounded until disproven, since it actually agrees with what the Council said.

Before any logical person agree's to Spectre status, they're going to
want guarantee's that legal immunity for actions is actual legal
immunity and not something the Council can take away retroactively.

Since the promise is dependent on the Council being willing to agree to it, it's a meaningless agreement.

Spectre status is an understanding, not a legal status: the Council won't allow charges so long as you're useful and get the job done. Since Spectres are hand-picked and the Council doesn't care about how you get the job done, this is an indefinite working agreement.

When a Spectre goes rogue, however, it's always understood that those actions they did, even while a Spectre, can be used against them as the basis for bringing them in. Since the authority to deem a Spectre rogue is, in fact, the Council, and that they can do this simply on their own authority and there is no other appeal, the Council can revoke a Spectre's status for whatever they feel like.

Spectre status is not a blank slate. It's a cover provided by the Council, for as long as the Council feels inclined to do so. You can run a criminal empire, and they won't care. If you get implicated in launching an invasion of a member species, they will care. The benefit lasts as long as you are useful.

[Almostfaceman]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Simply because the Council didn't retaliate against Shepard immediately after the actions on the Citadels doesn't mean they can't, won't, or don't reserve the right to. Delays in retribution and accountability occur quite frequently: the lack of immediate enforcement capability (Baily wasn't going to help them), cost-benefit, or just not deeming it a significant enough violation. There's no implicit concession that Shepard can do whatever he wants wherever he wants.

Mass Effect doesn't go into the actual legalese between the Council and Spectre's, so your opinion is pure speculation.  Let me add some of my own speculation in saying that if the Council can choose to prosecute a Spectre for past crimes committed as a Spectre then no one will become a Spectre. 

Speculation that's far firmer grounded until disproven, since it actually agrees with what the Council said.

Before any logical person agree's to Spectre status, they're going to
want guarantee's that legal immunity for actions is actual legal
immunity and not something the Council can take away retroactively.

Since the promise is dependent on the Council being willing to agree to it, it's a meaningless agreement.

Spectre status is an understanding, not a legal status: the Council won't allow charges so long as you're useful and get the job done. Since Spectres are hand-picked and the Council doesn't care about how you get the job done, this is an indefinite working agreement.

When a Spectre goes rogue, however, it's always understood that those actions they did, even while a Spectre, can be used against them as the basis for bringing them in. Since the authority to deem a Spectre rogue is, in fact, the Council, and that they can do this simply on their own authority and there is no other appeal, the Council can revoke a Spectre's status for whatever they feel like.

Spectre status is not a blank slate. It's a cover provided by the Council, for as long as the Council feels inclined to do so. You can run a criminal empire, and they won't care. If you get implicated in launching an invasion of a member species, they will care. The benefit lasts as long as you are useful.

Speculation is speculation, regardless of your opinion on how firm the ground is.  Then you go on to say the Spectre status is not a legal status.  You simply have no information on whether or not this is true.  Therefore, since you clearly suffer from delusions of grandeur, I am now laughing at you. 

[Asheer_Khan]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Hackett says to Shepard that he is still an Alliance soldier. It's in ME2 where he is named KIA and is no longer a soldier.

No, Hacket only appealing to Shepard's felling of loyalty to Allaince and nothing else.

If Shepard would say to him (for example when comes to Rogue VI mission) "Sorry i have more important things to do and Alliance should by it's own drink that brewed beer..." all what Hacked could with this would be facepalm "how ungrateful Shepard become" and nothing more.

In momenty Shepard become Spectre Alliance lost any authority over her/him if they like this or not... however something tells me that it's more benefitting in long run to help Alliance than refusing any cooperation.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 20 mars 2011 - 07:29 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Speculation is speculation, regardless of your opinion on how firm the ground is. 

My job that I'm training for is based around risk management: while the future is inherently unknowable, it is not unpredictable. You can look at data and determine more and less likely future scenarios, based on what data allows and implicates. Not all speculations are equal.

Then you go on to say the Spectre status is not a legal status.  You simply have no information on whether or not this is true. 

Except we do: we have two different Spectres we can look at, Saren and Vasir, as case studies of just how not all-encompasing Spectre status is. What you do while a Spectre can be used against you.

Therefore, since you clearly suffer from delusions of grandeur, I am now laughing at you. 

And I at you, but for other reasons.

[DPSSOC]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nothing about joining the Spectres entailed leaving the Alliance. There was never any renouncing of all prior oaths.

Though you'd really think there should be (or I would anyway).  Having someone in the Spectres and maintain old allegiances just seems like too obvious a conflict of interests to be ignored.

[Almostfaceman]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Speculation is speculation, regardless of your opinion on how firm the ground is. 

My job that I'm training for is based around risk management: while the future is inherently unknowable, it is not unpredictable. You can look at data and determine more and less likely future scenarios, based on what data allows and implicates. Not all speculations are equal.

Then you go on to say the Spectre status is not a legal status.  You simply have no information on whether or not this is true. 

Except we do: we have two different Spectres we can look at, Saren and Vasir, as case studies of just how not all-encompasing Spectre status is. What you do while a Spectre can be used against you.

Therefore, since you clearly suffer from delusions of grandeur, I am now laughing at you. 

And I at you, but for other reasons.

I'm sure you have your reasons, because like I said, you're delusional.  You out and out claim Spectre's have no legal status.  That is a stupid thing to say, since there is no way to prove that.

"They answer only to the Council, and in some cases the Council prefers not to know the exact details of how a Spectre accomplishes their mission. Spectres act in any way they see fit, either with careful diplomacy or ruthless force, being officially above any law"

The quote from the wikia supports my argument.  But the fact remains that there are no Mass Effect laws in existence.  The game universe is simply not that in-depth.

I speculated that nobody would be stupid enough to take a job where they can be hung out to dry at any moment.  Obviously the Council can revoke Spectre status, but what they can legally do to someone for what they did as a Spectre is not clearly defined.  Saren could logically be prosecuted because he continued to commit crimes after his status was revoked.  Vasir is never legally prosecuted by the Council nor is her Spectre status revoked because she dies in combat with Shepard as a Spectre.  Her status may be revoked posthumously but we have no information whether or not this occurs.

[Dean_the_Young]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I'm sure you have your reasons, because like I said, you're delusional.  You out and out claim Spectre's have no legal status.  That is a stupid thing to say, since there is no way to prove that.

Actually, there is.

Can Spectres do absolutely anything they want? 

The answer is: no. The privilage endures only as long as the Council extends it. There is no blanket legal immunity no matter what.

Delusional, that.

I speculated that nobody would be stupid enough to take a job where they can be hung out to dry at any moment.  Obviously the Council can revoke Spectre status, but what they can legally do to someone for what they did as a Spectre is not clearly defined.

But not-so-clearly-cleary-implied.

Saren could be brought in for high crimes. Vasir could lose her status and be prosecuted.

And yes, people do take jobs where they can be hung out to dry for mistakes. A large category of such jobs is called 'the military.'

Another is just 'jobs.' Very few employments can't see you made an example of if you screw up remarkably badly.

 Saren could logically be prosecuted because he continued to commit crimes after his status was revoked.

It wouldn't have mattered: it was the crimes he comitted before his status was revoked that put him on the rogue list.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 mars 2011 - 10:17 .

[Dean_the_Young]

DPSSOC wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nothing about joining the Spectres entailed leaving the Alliance. There was never any renouncing of all prior oaths.

Though you'd really think there should be (or I would anyway).  Having someone in the Spectres and maintain old allegiances just seems like too obvious a conflict of interests to be ignored.

The entire 'unaccountability' shindig is a conflict of interests. As long as the Council's interests in using the Spectres are met, it's a sacrifice that the Council is willing to make.

It is a compromise, but not an unanticipated one: Spectres aren't trained from scratch, they're selected. The groups they're selected from, as a matter of necessity and politics, are the militiaries that will provide the training, and the backdrop for experience, to get the would-be Spectres noticed and valued for loyalty and reliability in the first place. The sort of militaries who can provide such training also provide indoctrination about ideals and loyalties well before little Spectre grows up.

For the most part, the conflict of loyalties isn't really in conflict: Spectres are by and large drawn from the Council races, and what's good for that race is more or less usually good for the Council. Differences otherwise are usually rare, and negligable. The sort of case Shepard found in, where the entire galaxy's political fate hangs in the balance in favor of one or the other, aren't the norm.

[Thomasa]

Pwener2313 wrote...

BW better not pull that crap on us. I want to stay with Cerberus Alliance and the Council and if they give me the option and my responses are; Yes - I guess - fine, I am gonna be pissed!

I want to stay with Cerberus Alliance and the Council and if I can't have that then ME's lace as my favorite game will be taken by Saints Row.

fixed

[emmanuelsieyes]

I favor a choice.

That in mind, neither the Alliance nor Cerberus are perfect. The Alliance is getting a lot of crap for their inaction in ME2. However, keep in mind, they took a lot of damage in the ME1 endgame. Furthermore, the Omega-4 relay is in Terminus space. They can't take any official action in Terminus space, lest they start a war (which wouldn't help out anyone).

Cerberus is hardly perfect either. The _only_ reason the Lazarus Project was a success is because of shepard's plot armor. Someone on the writing team wanted to make ME2 edgier, maybe add some tension. So they have Shepard working for Cerberus. Fine. However, the Illusive Man is either a. a completely incompetent leader, or b. a complete psycho. I base this assessment on the sheer number of 'rogue cells' that Cerberus has lost contact with. Sure, Cerberus goes and _tries_ to get the job done. However, this usually ends in near-disaster. Pragia gives us Jack, a psychotic killer. Overlord nearly takes out the entire damn extranet. The only Cerberus project that wasn't a complete disaster is Lazarus/Derelict Reaper, because those are plot-critical elements. Shepard could be working with a squad of Batarians, and still pull it off, because the plot demands that Shepard succeed.

If we can choose a faction, I'm going to side with the Shadow Broker. SB has the information-gathering network that I need. From the projects that I can fund, it seems like the SB has fairly significant resources. Most importantly, I'm sure that the SB isn't going to betray me.

The Alliance is caught up with their own problems, although Arrival is likely going to be the SA getting re-involved with the Reaper situation. I don't think that Cerberus is capable of doing anything without Shepard being around to try and salvage the remains.

[Almostfaceman]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

I'm sure you have your reasons, because like I said, you're delusional.  You out and out claim Spectre's have no legal status.  That is a stupid thing to say, since there is no way to prove that.

Actually, there is.

Can Spectres do absolutely anything they want? 

The answer is: no. The privilage endures only as long as the Council extends it. There is no blanket legal immunity no matter what.

Delusional, that.

I speculated that nobody would be stupid enough to take a job where they can be hung out to dry at any moment.  Obviously the Council can revoke Spectre status, but what they can legally do to someone for what they did as a Spectre is not clearly defined.

But not-so-clearly-cleary-implied.

Saren could be brought in for high crimes. Vasir could lose her status and be prosecuted.

And yes, people do take jobs where they can be hung out to dry for mistakes. A large category of such jobs is called 'the military.'

Another is just 'jobs.' Very few employments can't see you made an example of if you screw up remarkably badly.

 Saren could logically be prosecuted because he continued to commit crimes after his status was revoked.

It wouldn't have mattered: it was the crimes he comitted before his status was revoked that put him on the rogue list.

Asking the question "can Spectre's do anything they want" and answering that with "no" does not prove in any way that the Spectre's have no legal status.  Nobody is claiming that there's a blanket legal immunity - you said something completely different - that they have no legal status at all.  Those are two different things.  Saying someone is above the law is not the same as saying they can do anything they want.  It's clearly understood the power of a Spectre is similiar to a James Bond type.  A "license to kill".  Both are answerable to a higher authority.  Bond is clearly legally protected.

I've been in the military.  I was in the military police.  There were no jobs where you didn't have legal protection and could be hung out to dry.  For example, if I was given an order, I was legally protected if that order was "unlawful".  I could refuse that order.  Poor example.   Try again.

Just "jobs"?  If I'm working as a waiter, sure my employer can fire me for any reason.  But messing up a customer's order won't get me put in jail.  Employee's have legal protections against abuse from employers and no employer can lawfully order an employee to do something that will land them in jail.  What are you smoking?

Of course Saren could be brought in for high crimes.  He clearly was comitting them after his Spectre status was revoked.  I'm not even sure where you're going with Vasir because no where in the story is Vasir condemned or prosecuted by the Council.  If you're going with Shepard's opinion on the matter, well, it's already well established that the Council doesn't always agree with Shepard.  In fact it's established that the Council lets Spectre's do things like blow up factories and kill innocent civilians - Saren did this when working with Anderson.  Even if the entire incident was blamed on Anderson - he's not prosecuted either.

So, try again if you want. so far you're not making your point.

[Arijharn]

Actually, to split hairs, Bond isn't 'legally protected' in the strictest sense. Lets take an example; ASIS (Australian Secret Intelligence Service) is roughly analogous to MI6, and ASIS says that you shouldn't be doing something that's illegal in other countries, implying to me at least, that if one of their agents does get caught, they couldn't depend on the Australian Government to get them out of the bind, they do not have 'diplomatic immunity.'

Considering the nature of ASIS (i.e., they're Spooks) then I would imagine that a lot of what they do would be considered illegal in many countries (even dare I say it, Australia itself).

Also, Saren had his clearance revoked after it was 'demonstrably' proven that he was up to no good ( I would imagine the evidence recorded by Tali was 'more' admissible because the Quarian's are politically neutral at best), and not beforehand... because otherwise why would the Council revoke his clearance? Also bear in mind that Saren had his clearance revoked because he was working with the Geth, not because he decided to bomb Eden Prime.

You may have a point with that Council thing 'letting' (although I doubt that's the proper word -- more like; conveniently turning a blind eye too) Spectre's blow up refinery's etc, etc... I never really thought of it like that.

[Almostfaceman]

Arijharn wrote...

Actually, to split hairs, Bond isn't 'legally protected' in the strictest sense. Lets take an example; ASIS (Australian Secret Intelligence Service) is roughly analogous to MI6, and ASIS says that you shouldn't be doing something that's illegal in other countries, implying to me at least, that if one of their agents does get caught, they couldn't depend on the Australian Government to get them out of the bind, they do not have 'diplomatic immunity.'

Considering the nature of ASIS (i.e., they're Spooks) then I would imagine that a lot of what they do would be considered illegal in many countries (even dare I say it, Australia itself).

Also, Saren had his clearance revoked after it was 'demonstrably' proven that he was up to no good ( I would imagine the evidence recorded by Tali was 'more' admissible because the Quarian's are politically neutral at best), and not beforehand... because otherwise why would the Council revoke his clearance? Also bear in mind that Saren had his clearance revoked because he was working with the Geth, not because he decided to bomb Eden Prime.

You may have a point with that Council thing 'letting' (although I doubt that's the proper word -- more like; conveniently turning a blind eye too) Spectre's blow up refinery's etc, etc... I never really thought of it like that.

That's why I said the Bond situation was similiar - not exactly alike - the Spectre situation.  England obviously cannot make another country honor British law.  Speculation, but the Council may have legal situations with other races that protect Spectre's.  It certainly seems that way.

Indeed the Council discovered Saren working with the Geth and revoked his status.  Again, this does nothing to disprove that Spectre's may have legal protections.  The Council may have revoked Saren's status for several reasons.  One, they state, is so that Saren doesn't have the "resources" of a Spectre.  Maybe one of those resources is the legal protection.  This can also logically be a preliminary step for them to take legal action against Saren, since they will expect him to continue to work with the Geth.  Or it's quite possible any legal protection could contain a "can't raise an army against us" clause, lol.

Imagine this:

Spectre candidate to Council:  "Okay, so I can ignore coucil space laws and do what I need to do to get the job done, correct?"
Council:  "As long as we see fit, yes."
Spectre candidate: "So, say I go blow up a factory to get to a terrorist.  And I happen to accidentally blow up that Turian's *points to Turian counselor* family.  How do I know you guys, after telling me I can do what I need to do, won't come back and prosecute me for that later?"
Council: "It's here in writing that as long as you're doing x, y, and z within Spectre parameters you'll be legally immune to prosecution."
Spectre candidate: "Good to know.  Otherwise it's way to easy for you guys to let me take the fall if I do something you find politically harmful or whatever."

[Zexion21]

I'm sure the Alliance will have a much larger part to play in ME3, and the beginings of that will show up in Arrival. However I can't see Shepard blindly joining their ranks again.

I'd like to think my Shepard would keep both the Alliance and Cerberus at arms length in ME3, taking note of their suggestions and what not, but acting on her own to fight the Reapers.

[Bluko]

Shepard will mostly likely be Freelance. The Alliance more or less abandoned Shepard after they died, and as far as we know aren't really interested in having Shepard come back. Shepard's Spectre status essentially made it so they had little or no control over him anymore, so from a military standpoint Shepard isn't that useful.

Plus when Shepard died they pretty much scrapped the whole original Normandy project. They obvisouly aren't interested in having Shepard, Joker, or any of the old crew come back into the service. The Alliance is likely working on other projects or new Normandy vessels that they can have strictly under their control. Shepard's business with Cerberus has also earned them a bad reputation, since the Alliance is not real fond of Cerberus. Having your best soldier go rogue with to join up with a former Alliance black ops  group probably has a lot of higher ups none to pleased. Really the only reason Shepard has been outright captured and brought in for questioning is because Anderson and Hackett have been covering for Shepard. Only they really know how big of a deal the Reapers actually are.

And Shepard parts ways with Cerberus at the end of ME2. Paragon Shepard essentially tells T.I.M. to **** off and Renegade Shepard tells T.I.M. to stay out of their way. You will not be working for Cerberus again in ME3. You just won't.

Now it may be possible that Shepard ends up working for the Council again as a Spectre in ME3, although Shepard hasn't exactly been on good terms with any of the Councils either. Although the Reaper invasion may get the Council to wise up and literally beg Shepard to help them out. Who knows? Being a true Spectre again would essentially let Shepard do whatever they need to do since being a Spectre essentially makes you above galactic law and the last thing Shepard needs is to be tracked and hunted down by C-Sec agents and other Spectres.

Still I'm just guessing no matter what Shepard will more or less be doing their own thing in ME3.

[Tilarta]

If they ask me to rejoin the Alliance, it'll be a case of:

"Hand me a pen and tell me where to sign".

I basically told Cerberus to kiss a Reaper's anterior exoskeleton, so I'm not allied to anyone except Liara in her role as the new Shadow Broker.
Well, okay, the Rachni count too, they've declared their support for my Shepherd's cause.

So, I wouldn't be bothered about resuming my duties as a member of the Alliance fleet.
Heck, most of the crew is ex Alliance personnel anyway!

But I would expect some conditions of doing this to be set forth by Shepherd.
1. Is that they retain their authority as an independent unit, much like the Alliance form of a Spectre.
2. Given the Cerberus infliltration of the Alliance and various civilian authorities, there would have to be some high level security measures put in place to make sure any operations are not monitored or interfered with by Cerberus.
In theory, if someone shows up for infomation for Shepherd, it's handed directly to Anderson or Hackett as an "Eyes Only" document, who then forwards it directly to the Normandy without involving anyone else.
The less links there are in the chain, the less chance there one of them is a Cerberus link.
I imagine we'd have to make a new tangled pair communicator to support this scenerio, one that only Anderson and Hackett have access to.

Wonder if I can get some shiny new Alliance uniforms out of the deal?
I'm pretty sure if we're not aligned with Cerberus anymore, it wouldn't be appropriate to keep wearing their uniforms.

[Dean_the_Young]

Almostfaceman wrote...


Asking the question "can Spectre's do anything they want" and answering that with "no" does not prove in any way that the Spectre's have no legal status.  Nobody is claiming that there's a blanket legal immunity - you said something completely different - that they have no legal status at all.  Those are two different things.  Saying someone is above the law is not the same as saying they can do anything they want.  It's clearly understood the power of a Spectre is similiar to a James Bond type.  A "license to kill".  Both are answerable to a higher authority.  Bond is clearly legally protected.

In the sense that Spectre status is an unchanging, enduring status? The ease with which it can be revoked rather demonstrates that it's a privilage as opposed to something that can't be withdrawn.

If you want to quibble semantics, which, hey, I love as much as the next guy, sure. I'll concede I didn't use the best words to describe it. But then, I doubt you misunderstood.

I've been in the military.  I was in the military police.  There were no jobs where you didn't have legal protection and could be hung out to dry.  For example, if I was given an order, I was legally protected if that order was "unlawful".  I could refuse that order.  Poor example.   Try again.

And if what you did do was unlawful, you could be hung out to dry for it: just look at a certain Private Manning. Nor is it unknown, or strictly uncommon, for people to volunteer for actions of dubious legality, even when aware that they won't or can't be supported if they are caught.

Spectres work in a field of nebulous legality where what they do won't be held against them for as long as the Council agrees not to use it against them. If it becomes too much trouble to do so, the Council will. Spectres who wouldn't take the offer, don't become Spectres, and also don't get the privilages.

Just "jobs"?  If I'm working as a waiter, sure my employer can fire me for any reason.  But messing up a customer's order won't get me put in jail.  Employee's have legal protections against abuse from employers and no employer can lawfully order an employee to do something that will land them in jail.  What are you smoking?

Not a reducto ad absurdem fallacy, that's for sure. Perhaps you'd like to put down the fixation? It's amusing, but it's hindering your ability to address a position when you're tilting at windmills.

No, employers won't do it for any reason. That was never alleged, so the defense against it is rather... I'm sure you'd find a word questioning sanity if it were opposed to you, but I'll just mark it down as pointless, since the position was never argued that any little thing will get much.

Of course Saren could be brought in for high crimes.  He clearly was comitting them after his Spectre status was revoked.

Whether he continued to commit them was regardless to Shepard's mission. Shepard wasn't sent out on the basis of what Saren might do but wasn't known: Shepard was sent out on the basis of what Saren did do, as a Spectre.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 21 mars 2011 - 02:08 .

[TheZanSnake]

Probably among the lines of Cerberus (in my view anyway) that Shepard will help the Alliance for the good of the ME universe, instead of some kind of 'you-are-thebad-guys-and-we-are-the-good-guys' concept.

[Yakko77]

Doctor Solus wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I hope it isn't forced but damn it I love the Alliance and the Council, Cerberus can kill itself.

The Alliance.. ok..

The Council..? "Ah, yes, Reapers.."

Cerberus may not be the most liberal group, but they get stuff done!

If by get stuf done you mean a bunch of immoral and unethical experiments gone wrong that Shep needs to go and fix then yeah... they get stuff done.

[knightnblu]

"Shepard never left the alliance"

Yeah, that. 'Cause I don't recall Shep getting a DD-214 with his dog tags.

[Yakko77]

knightnblu wrote...

"Shepard never left the alliance"

Yeah, that. 'Cause I don't recall Shep getting a DD-214 with his dog tags.

Military bureaucracy must be satisfied!  At least a tree, maybe two, worth of paper!

[jbblue05]

How did the Alliance abandon Shepard?
The Normandy SR1 got freakin' disentigrated and the last thing anyone saw was Shepard floating in the cold empty space.
What do you want the Alliance to do?.

Some of you people are really ungrateful jerks after all the Alliance has done for you.
It was the Alliance who brought you back via Cerberus with the Lazarus project.
I can't believe the Alliance nominated your Shepard's for spectre status