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[TexasToast712]

Foolsfolly wrote...

What Deadlysyns said. I'm the Champion of Kirkwall and I support mages....so mage supporters kidnap my only remaining family instead of just reaching out for support.

You say all you want about revenge but that still makes no sense if you let the mages go and tell them run. So I killed her boyfriend seven years ago, the guy attacked me on sight. You want to resent me, sure go ahead, but this move makes no sense and only continues to prove Meredith right.

Mages are dangerous.

I agree. The Kirkwall circle needed to be razed to the ground as 97% of the mages there were either

A. already a blood mage

or

B. too weak willed to resist possession or temptation of blood magic.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 20 mars 2011 - 06:38 .

[Jayce]

Hexsun wrote...

I agree it does not make sense if you are opposed to Meredith. Why would you want to slaughter those on the same side? It's plain retarded, these are the mages who haven't turned to blood magic and the good templars. Fail Bioware, fail.

They ARE bloodmages. Most of them are mages from the Starkhaven circle who you spared previously. They attack because Grace has gone nuts and now wants revenge against you for killing her lover. She even kills Thrask when he tells her to stand down because Hawke's an ally. 

[DarthSliver]

Wait until you side with the Mages at end of the game. Now thats a big WTF moment.

[Rybciek]

whitless256 wrote...

Suron wrote...

a lot of quests don't make sense.

in fact if you play a mage the entire game doesn't make sense..you're using magic so open it's stupid that nothing is even really said about it or that Templars don't get wind of it.

Especially at the Arishok fight...so many damn people would have seen you casting spells it's idiotic. The entire Templars vs Mages thing is so contrived it's pathetic.

But in Act 3, they DO know you're an apostate. Meredith knows you're an apostate but really can't touch you because you're the champion of Kirkwall. She does make threats if you refuse to help her hunt down those mages and invokes the fact that she, by all rights, should not be allowing you to live freely in Kirkwall. She also acknowledges that she knows Anders is an apostate as well. (not sure about Merrill. I never brought her to the meeting with Meredith.)

Read the codex. Everyone knows what you are in Act 3, mostly because of watching you kill the Arishok as a mage. Meredith also sees you use magic to fight Qunari and says "I will overlook your use of magic for the moment." If you didn't notice these dialogue points, maybe that's why you're confused about a lot of the quests.

As for this quest, I do think it was a bit rushed when it comes to writing, but I don't think it's the total mess a lot of people do. You are dealing with a revenge obsessed pride abomination here. It's not a huge leap to assume that she controled the Templars at the meeting with blood maging. It's also not a huge leap to assume that, as the leader of this group, she's been telling them for Maker knows how long that the Champion can't be trusted. That he supports the Templars. Who are you gonna believe? The Champion whom you've never met, or the woman you trust with your life? Just saying.

This is true. For the first act you're supposed to be under the radar, and it's mentioned at some point in a letter or codex that Kirkwall is very casual about harbouring apostates. For act 2 you're an influential noble, in fact it's said that the reason you become a noble is so that you have enough influence to not be touched by the Templars. Meredith does get a bit annoyed when she sees you use magic the first time you see her, and after that she makes many other comments about it but by then you're the Champion. It's shaky but it makes sense. Certainly more sense than Bastilla wandering around a Sith-infested Taris with a double length lightsaber.

[cast_]

Act 3 made no sense and was poorly written, at least if you were a mage supporter. Why even give us the dialog wheel when all actions = the same.

[Rizaun]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Act 3 doesn't make sense.

Act 3 is a troll =/

[Rangerkillroy]

One would imagine that running around with a mages staff would have people instantly clue into the fact that you were a mage from the get-go. And you're not wearing circle robes? Even bigger THIS IS AN APOSTATE sign over your head than the staff.

I'd also like to point out that like, every Templar -ever- could tell that you were a mage in DA:O.  But even CULLEN is blind to the fact.  I mean, even after you save him during his encounter with Wilmod the puss spewing Abomination...

Modifié par Rangerkillroy, 20 mars 2011 - 08:20 .

[PirateT138]

Yes, it was a terrible quest line, "OMFG HAWKE IS WORKING FOR MEREDITH."

Um...no I'm not, in fact I have a history of helping out mages whenever possible, even out of my own pocket.

"KILL HIM"

*le sigh*

*le slaughter*

[DrZagreus]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Act 3 doesn't make sense.

I have to agree with this statement. I mean Merrill hated me and told me to leave and that she didn't want to see me again. When my character gets back home she's waiting for him and apologises about saying what she did my character argued with her some more, then she kisses my character. They end up in bed with each other and she moves in with him. I was like WTF I never even started a romance with her and she practically forces herself on my character.

Foolsfolly wrote...

 You want to resent me, sure go ahead, but this move makes no sense and only continues to prove Meredith right. Mages are dangerous.

I know what you mean every mage that wished for freedom all turned to the dark side and I sided with mages throughout the game, but fighting the Templar's just felt wrong. I felt like a villain, but I was playing as a good guy. I do give credit to BioWare for such an excellent story though. I mean in DA: O it was good or evil, but in this game there was way more gray. And you really have to think about each decision you make

jfp2004 wrote...

I don't know about that, but it certainly felt like it was the most rushed portion of the game.

I loved Dragon Age 2, but I have to agree with this.  I didn't experience that many bugs, but the bugs I did see were all in Act 3.

Modifié par DrZagreus, 20 mars 2011 - 08:52 .

[Kerbert]

Totally agree with the OP. This quest made absolutely no sense if the player was trying to help the mages against the templars. I felt really angry at how my character was railroaded through the quest and couldn't affect what was happening. There were other weird and nonsensical quests too, especially in act 3, but this was easily the worst.

[Count Viceroy]

Best quest I've ever had the pleasure of completing. Hats of to the writers for that one.

[crashtec1]

Most quests were buggy anyhow. Specially Merrill. Wtf. I kept the item, yet she says she has it. Retarded. Act 3 was full of rubbish. Its not about what they could have been, what Grace "possibly" did or what not before you met them, the fact that you had choices that didnt even matter = badly written game book. "You open the door and meet an enemy. If you shoot Turn to page 3 - you die, flip back, if you try to run, turn to page 8 - you die".

I would say EA ****ed it up, because EA does it ALL the time. i'd say Bioware ****ed it up, because they did that with KOTOR 2(<---- obsidian, angry typo.. ah who gives a ****). Either way, totally unsatisfying. I also find that MINIMAPS are recycled, Maps are recycled, character moves are recycled, characters were recycled. They could have had some decency to at least change the design of each friggin house!? WTF, even modders do better and they dont get paid. Fkn **** excuses these programmers become these days.

Mass Effect 3 will be the last ever game i would purchase from EA, if EA keeps this up. I'd rather pirate it, since they dont give a **** about their customers anyway.

Modifié par crashtec1, 21 mars 2011 - 10:46 .

[bambooxfox]

@ crashtec1 - not that I agree or disagree with everything else you say, but KOTOR2 was made by Obsidian, not BioWare.

[tanerb123]

sth128 wrote...

Orsino helped killed Hawke's mother. I say down with the mages and all their kind. I'm gonna let his sister die in the Deep Roads then stab Anders in the back. I'll also slaughter Merrile's entire clan and mock her failure as a keeper afterward.

Mages do not deserve to be treated as humans. The way of the Qun is the true path of enlightenment.

No wiser words have ever been said

[Akron1983]

Someone said that you need demons to learn blood magic but I tgought you didnt. I thought it was easier to learn through a demon but that you could learn it from a book. Even though alot fo those had been destroyed.

[JamesX]

Just remember, no matter what you do, most extremists never consider moderates too be of the same "faction." Which is true in this game. The way the story is framed Hawke is a moderate. Even if he support completely one side of the other, his actions are still very moderated. He never quite throw his lot in with oneside or the other till the very end .

Akron1983 wrote...

Someone said that you need demons to learn blood magic but I tgought you didnt. I thought it was easier to learn through a demon but that you could learn it from a book. Even though alot fo those had been destroyed.

Demons are the easiest way to learn blood magic.  GO into the Fade, shout a self-advertisement, and demons will come and teach you the art for a price.

You can also learn it from other sources, but to a mage - the demon option is always readily avaliable.

sth128 wrote...

Orsino helped killed Hawke's mother. I say down with the mages and all their kind. I'm gonna let his sister die in the Deep Roads then stab Anders in the back. I'll also slaughter Merrile's entire clan and mock her failure as a keeper afterward.

 You cannot stab Anders in the back.  Even if you suspect him of being unhinged Hawke for some strange reason has no option to turn against him.  Even after he killed Templars instead of escaping, even after he killed the mage he wanted to save, even after he tried to black mail hawke into helping, even after he revealed that he raelly only care about himself  (such as how he got the warden's map and how he just brush the consequence of that aside).

Modifié par JamesX, 21 mars 2011 - 09:28 .

[Darth Obvious]

Act 3 is the real abomination.

Shameful.

[WingsandRings]

I had this problem with this quest too. I was a pro-mage mage, and I was horrified that I was slaughtering all the people I was supposed to be helping. And that they kidnapped Carver. And then Orsino went bat**** at the end seemingly just to give us one more big boss battle to fight.

[Dragoniter]

I was rather horrified that each and all of the three apostates you have to hunt are evil blood-mages/abominations. At least one could have been just a mage that wanted to get away.

[WingsandRings]

Dragoniter wrote...

I was rather horrified that each and all of the three apostates you have to hunt are evil blood-mages/abominations. At least one could have been just a mage that wanted to get away.

The drunk one in the Hanged Man was a blood mage?  I totally let him go. Oops.

[Dragoniter]

WingsandRings wrote...

Dragoniter wrote...

I was rather horrified that each and all of the three apostates you have to hunt are evil blood-mages/abominations. At least one could have been just a mage that wanted to get away.

The drunk one in the Hanged Man was a blood mage?  I totally let him go. Oops.

Ah, forgot that one, he was just an idiot. Though it is fun trying to convince Isabella to "help" him. I guess i forgot that Grace was a follow-up, that backstabbing §%$&§.

[JamesX]

WingsandRings wrote...

Dragoniter wrote...

I was rather horrified that each and all of the three apostates you have to hunt are evil blood-mages/abominations. At least one could have been just a mage that wanted to get away.

The drunk one in the Hanged Man was a blood mage?  I totally let him go. Oops.

He is not a blood mage.  He just said he is to "be cool" because "zzz women lovez z bad boyz"

he might be an idiot but he is not a blood mage, even Meredith chuckled at that.

[crashtec1]

bambooxfox wrote...

@ crashtec1 - not that I agree or disagree with everything else you say, but KOTOR2 was made by Obsidian, not BioWare.

trololol really? i dunno, still fails. HAHAHhA

[Lithuasil]

Act three did make sense, as did orsino going patchwork and Grace going Rawr. It's just that both "best served cold" and " the last straw" are the part where they ran out of time, and didn't quite manage to connect the onscreen action to the excellent writing anymore.

[Lulia]

I even tried redoing this quest with Anders when they just accused me of being the enemy and forcing me to kill them, thinking that he'd be in on the templars helping apostates - didn't make the slightest bit of difference and then Anders helping me kill them all made it feel even more wrong.