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[Marcy3655]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Just because other advertisers mislead doesn't make it ok. They blatantly lied to consumers. And they are immune to any repercussions because people aren't allowed to return their games.

I never said it was okay, what I meant was - don't believe what you hear..  make up your own mind all on your own without any other influences being involved..  

I have a hard time believing that people really want to be spoon-fed..

M

[Xaenn]

I'm probably the only one, but I like Mass Effect much more then Mass Effect 2. However, both were great games for their own reasons.

[DragonRageGT]

Xaenn wrote...

I'm probably the only one, but I like Mass Effect much more then Mass Effect 2. However, both were great games for their own reasons.

Definitely not the only one. There are things in ME2 that I like but there are changes that for me are just to cut off developement time and save budget. Just like DA2.

I'm having a great time with DA 2 and I had a great time with Torchlight. Very similar games in their "action-rpg" concept for me. DA2 has different camera angle and more cinematics but hey, Torchlight is a single CD game!

[Persephone]

Dark Specie wrote...

Because ´Dragon Age: Origins + Awakening made our expectations go to epic levels. When those expectations weren't answered even halfway (with variations from person to person), it's to be expected that people would feel disappointed...

There was nothing "epic" about the disaster called Awakening. But yeah, like DAO that thing has become a sacred cow, it seems.

[Persephone]

SirOccam wrote...

I think a lot of it is the fact that the detractors are WAY more vocal. I was getting kind of depressed, honestly, when I came back here after being away for like a month. I was super pumped after playing, and then I get this torrent of nerdrage. As much as I wanted to be able to just shrug it off, it affected me. It made me feel bad for the developers, some of whom I got to meet at PAX and see their enthusiasm for this product, when people started calling for resignations and such. Of all the disrespectful, insolent...ugh, I better not get started. I just hope the devs know there are many of us who thought they did a great job.

Regardless, look around at reviews. Most seem to be perfect or near perfect. The metacritic score says it all, really. Among professional reviewers, 23 positive, 4 mixed, 0 negative. Among users, 262 positive vs. 577 negative. I'm not saying amateur reviewers can't have valid points, but how many of those people are these disenfranchised, elitist "purists" that can't bring themselves to appreciate anything that came out since Baldur's Gate?

You just have to learn to filter out the noise. Listen to the people with valid points to make and ignore those who just want to spew hatred. I'm still learning this myself.

I couldn't agree more if I tried. Very well said indeed. :happy:

[Persephone]

TJSolo wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

And to think I liked you!

Anyway, this whole 'dumbing down' business is a whole lot of nonsence, to be honest Dragon age 2 is much darker than DA:O ever was.

The darkness in DA2 overused which lessened the intended impact. The city elf origin alone is darker than DA2 and did not need personal tragedies to happen every quest like a "to do list" of drama in order to remind the player of the tone.

Really? To me the CE origin was a (lame) Braveheart rip off, never mind implausible.

[Persephone]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Just because other advertisers mislead doesn't make it ok. They blatantly lied to consumers. And they are immune to any repercussions because people aren't allowed to return their games.

No more than they did when they used the Sacred Ashes trailer to advertise DAO. So what's the point again?

[Cody211282]

For me it's not hate, it's like sitting you kid down on your knee and saying "Son it's not that I don't love you, but you were born different then your older brother, were as he is smart witty and reminds me why I have hope for the human race you are good looking shallower and isolate your friends to make people who don't know you happy."

[Persephone]

Cody211282 wrote...

For me it's not hate, it's like sitting you kid down on your knee and saying "Son it's not that I don't love you, but you were born different then your older brother, were as he is smart witty and reminds me why I have hope for the human race you are good looking shallower and isolate your friends to make people who don't know you happy."

That's just....beyond creepy.

[Ronin2006]

Cody211282 wrote...

For me it's not hate, it's like sitting you kid down on your knee and saying "Son it's not that I don't love you, but you were born different then your older brother, were as he is smart witty and reminds me why I have hope for the human race you are good looking shallower and isolate your friends to make people who don't know you happy."

Haha, I would say it's more like having a healthy first child and then an ugly red-headed step child.  No matter how hard you try to love your sons the same, you just can't do it and you come across as hateful.

[Cody211282]

Persephone wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

For me it's not hate, it's like sitting you kid down on your knee and saying "Son it's not that I don't love you, but you were born different then your older brother, were as he is smart witty and reminds me why I have hope for the human race you are good looking shallower and isolate your friends to make people who don't know you happy."

That's just....beyond creepy.

I'm going to make a very bad father one day.

[Xaenn]

People can appreciate new concepts and designs as long as it follows the genre it's suppose to be in. Branching off into different styles mid franchise is a no-no. People are not upset change is happening, they're upset, It's not an RPG.

- People enjoy change that refreshes the genre, look at the fact RPG's are now 3D, compared to the old 2D method, people complain about the flaws like no overview in DA:2 but not the fact it is 3D.

- I haven't heard any complaints really about the transfer from the hit and miss mechanic to 'Armor & defense' and "attack." over the older effects and mechanics.  People accepted change because it followed hidden guidelines of what people inteript as an RPG.

- There is a reason why the old RPG's were successful, these arguments you guys are making rea moot. There is no actual fact by fact of what a RPG is, but most of us have been playing long enough to know what is and isn't. Why fix something that isn't broken?

- Ability system has also been changed drastically (albeit because it's on consoles) but it went from having you find and purchase your spells to simply allocating points, people complain of oversimplified spells, not the system they're distributed as much.  This would also apply to having mana over your classes main 'stat' to how many of rach rank of spell you could cast per sleep cycle you had.  ( I personally miss both these concepts, but I can accept this change. )

- I posted something earlier in this thread I believe explaining reviewers and demography cannot display accurate display of fans who enjoy the game or the quality of the game. Poorly explained probably though.


Edit: An RPG and an Action-RPG may seem similar but the genre's are very differen't comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges.  You can't have both of them combined it's one or the other or else you sacrafice the integrity of both genres.

Modifié par Xaenn, 20 mars 2011 - 04:22 .

[cainx10a]

Persephone wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

Because ´Dragon Age: Origins + Awakening made our expectations go to epic levels. When those expectations weren't answered even halfway (with variations from person to person), it's to be expected that people would feel disappointed...

There was nothing "epic" about the disaster called Awakening. But yeah, like DAO that thing has become a sacred cow, it seems.

It seems the DA2 fanboys/girls are becoming as obnoxious as the haters

[Matchy Pointy]

Personally my belief it's the annonymity offered by the internet, makes it easy for pople to hate on pretty much anything.

[Cody211282]

cainx10a wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

Because ´Dragon Age: Origins + Awakening made our expectations go to epic levels. When those expectations weren't answered even halfway (with variations from person to person), it's to be expected that people would feel disappointed...

There was nothing "epic" about the disaster called Awakening. But yeah, like DAO that thing has become a sacred cow, it seems.

It seems the DA2 fanboys/girls are becoming as obnoxious as the haters

you evedently haven't ran into Dogan45(or whatever his name is) both sides are anoying as hell.

Modifié par Cody211282, 20 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[Xaenn]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Personally my belief it's the annonymity offered by the internet, makes it easy for pople to hate on pretty much anything.

Personally I don't know why I even argue, people have a right to their opinions if it is with or against the topic in question, no one person is wrong or right.  I hate none on these forums. Stanley Woo once told me something in a PM that was quite well said on the topic, I don't know if he would appreciate me posting it, but it was pretty convincing, it was about opinions and clashing of philosophies.

Modifié par Xaenn, 20 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[DragonRageGT]

Persephone... are you the one responsible for this? http://persephonemag...n-age-2-and-bs/

You know, you're right to defend DA 2. It is a good game after all. But when you trie to bash Origins here, once more, with a "City Elf origins was a lame rip off..." you lost all my respect! That passage of Braveheart is also a rip off of another story.

I could never RP an evil char. Don't know why but I only felt confortable playing Paladins goodie-goodie types. The City Elf origin gave me my first evil role, which is more of a hate for humans than real hate but I'm sure most people played through Origins without even considering these options, which only made sense to me with the CE origins:

Dragon Rage - Good ol' Rage is gone! Now it is ShadowRage time!

Dragon Age - Ogren wants to be shared!

P.S.: I was going to replay DA2 with a new Mike Hawke char but I think I'll have another go with Origins with a char named NerdRage! heh

Modifié par RageGT, 20 mars 2011 - 05:43 .

[Xaenn]

RageGT wrote...


Persephone... are you the one responsible for this? http://persephonemag...n-age-2-and-bs/

You know, you're right to defend DA 2. It is a good game after all. But when you trie to bash Origins here, once more, with a "City Elf origins was a lame rip off..." you lost all my respect! That passage of Braveheart is also a rip off of another story.

I could never RP an evil char. Don't know why but I only felt confortable playing Paladins goodie-goodie types. The City Elf origin gave me my first evil role, which is more of a hate for humans than real hate but I'm sure most people played through Origins without even considering these options, which only made sense to me with the CE origins:

Dragon Rage - Good ol' Rage is gone! Now it is ShadowRage time!

Dragon Age - Ogren wants to be shared!

P.S.: I was going to replay DA2 with a new Mike Hawke char but I think I'll have another go with Origins with a char named NerdRage! heh

I'm actually having issues on what to start next in origins, trying to line up each origin story with each DA:2 story.

So far 'good' senario with my human noble female rogue.  Contemplating Elf mage and dwarf warrior.  I've beated the game unfortunally already 5-6 times but they were sporatic and didn't do all the content.

[Persephone]

RageGT wrote...


Persephone... are you the one responsible for this? http://persephonemag...n-age-2-and-bs/

You know, you're right to defend DA 2. It is a good game after all. But when you trie to bash Origins here, once more, with a "City Elf origins was a lame rip off..." you lost all my respect! That passage of Braveheart is also a rip off of another story.

I could never RP an evil char. Don't know why but I only felt confortable playing Paladins goodie-goodie types. The City Elf origin gave me my first evil role, which is more of a hate for humans than real hate but I'm sure most people played through Origins without even considering these options, which only made sense to me with the CE origins:

Dragon Rage - Good ol' Rage is gone! Now it is ShadowRage time!

Dragon Age - Ogren wants to be shared!

P.S.: I was going to replay DA2 with a new Mike Hawke char but I think I'll have another go with Origins with a char named NerdRage! heh

No, I'm not "responsible" for that. It's not like I own the name "Persephone", you know? But thanks for thinking of me.

And I'm not "bashing" DAO, I love that game to pieces. I merely don't treat is as a "sacred monster". DAO has flaws. DA2 has flaws. There are reasons to like/dislike both.

Oh, I had a CE run too where my Warden hated all shems and had serious issues because of what happened in the Alienage. It was very different from what I usually do in DAO. Like you, I can't play evil characters very well. :happy:

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Well the game is totally buggy and completely unplayable at a certain point without hacks. And even if you do hack it, you have to skip entire areas of the story. I swear they didn't have anyone playtest it. Other than that, I preferred the old modular environments of the original. You REALLY start to see the exact same things more than two dozen times. That's no exaggeration. The city hardly changes over the years at all, or in response to your actions. And there are virtually no NPCs with extended dialogue. Even party members have relatively few long conversations with you.

[Oliver Sudden]

I really liked the points Xaenn brought up. There's a difference between change and shifting, and I think he or she did a good job of explaining it in the start of the post.

[droid.thx1128]

Personally, I play games on PC exclusively. I don't play console targeted "waggle-waggle-whump-whump" games. Sadly, DA2 is such a game. I'll not buy the expansions. I'll not buy the follow on (No DA2 "Awakenings" for me). If a DA3 ever is released, No pre-sale. I'll wait until it is released then play the demo before spending a dime on it.

I'll wait till May and hope that "The Witcher 2" is all that it appears to be.

[Shirosaki17]

Persephone wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Just because other advertisers mislead doesn't make it ok. They blatantly lied to consumers. And they are immune to any repercussions because people aren't allowed to return their games.

No more than they did when they used the Sacred Ashes trailer to advertise DAO. So what's the point again?

Read the post above it. That's what I was replying to. It's not hard to follow the conversation in a thread.

[Xaenn]

Oliver Sudden wrote...

I really liked the points Xaenn brought up. There's a difference between change and shifting, and I think he or she did a good job of explaining it in the start of the post.

I edited the post to try and put more valid points in and took out more controversial topics to stay on point.  Thanks :S

Modifié par Xaenn, 20 mars 2011 - 04:26 .

[TJSolo]

Persephone wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

And to think I liked you!

Anyway, this whole 'dumbing down' business is a whole lot of nonsence, to be honest Dragon age 2 is much darker than DA:O ever was.

The darkness in DA2 overused which lessened the intended impact. The city elf origin alone is darker than DA2 and did not need personal tragedies to happen every quest like a "to do list" of drama in order to remind the player of the tone.

Really? To me the CE origin was a (lame) Braveheart rip off, never mind implausible.

Then do please prove it or at least try to explain how the the CE origin is lame and implausible? Not that implausible really is much of a concern in a series with elves, dwarves, and magic at every corner.

And I'm not "bashing" DAO, I love that game to pieces. I merely don't
treat is as a "sacred monster". DAO has flaws. DA2 has flaws. There are
reasons to like/dislike both.

But you do go around to every other complaint thread about DA2 and start ripping into mechanics of DAO in a very devil's advocate sort of way but less credible.

Modifié par TJSolo, 20 mars 2011 - 05:16 .