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[IN1]

Another minor update.

[naughty99]

This is a great read. I'm considering a solo run for my 2nd playthrough.

Do you happen to know if you still get the Blindside 120% dmg bonus when the enemy is fighting the Mabari (or your decoy)?

I'm having a tough time getting through the Arishok duel with a DW/Archer rogue on Nightmare and considering respeccing to add Blindside + Decoy.

Użytkownik naughty99 edytował ten post 21 marzec 2011 - 04:22

[IN1]

>Do you happen to know if you still get the Blindside 120% dmg bonus when the enemy is fighting >the Mabari (or your decoy)?

Yes, you do, but I wouldn't bother to get Blindside early, unless you have spare talent points. You draw so much threat with crits, the enemies will almost never allow you to just stand there and arrow them with that +20% damage bonus. However, a strong nuke from stealth while the enemy is fighting the mabari is a totally viable option.

[Trapslick]

having that high defense from duelist probably releases you from random arrow locks... i probably would have went shadow and found myself totally screwed over from that.

i still have no clue what you are going to do vs those 3 assassin battles, it seems like a rouge would be too squishy for that, i could be wrong.

edit:
ok, you sat there and defended yourself about being legit and that the boss thing just saves you time... this whole thing wouldn't bother me at all except you are doing a game breaking cheat. theres no way you 50g at lvl 6... this is a cheat and is game breaking, trust me, i normally do this cheat as well because honestly i hate having to worry about it, but it makes the game 3x as easy if not more. you should be doing very little damage to your opponents at that level with auto attack... in fact with all 3 of your companion's auto attack you'd probably be doing less than you are in that first fight.

cheating to make it through the game isn't really post worthy imho

Użytkownik Trapslick edytował ten post 21 marzec 2011 - 04:50

[x_konstantine_x]

IIIINNNNN what's up dude? I just saw your thread on here, it almost exactly what I did my first play through. But that's always been the case with you, I have been following your Wiki page forever it seems. I played DAO and Awakening exactly the same as you too. I loved that someone else plays a sniper build everytime. One shot, one kill! Unfortunately I play on PS3 because I run Macs and DAO wasn't the best on boot camp. So I had that horrible shale bug that made aiming take somewhere between 10 seconds and eternity. Keep up the good work man, I love reading your info on these games. I also enjoy getting deep into the mechanics for archers. As for all the hate, screw those dudes. If you don't like the way he fights a battle to save 15 minutes of his life, it's because he is more important than you so you don't understand.

[naughty99]

IN1 wrote...

>Do you happen to know if you still get the Blindside 120% dmg bonus when the enemy is fighting >the Mabari (or your decoy)?

Yes, you do, but I wouldn't bother to get Blindside early, unless you have spare talent points. You draw so much threat with crits, the enemies will almost never allow you to just stand there and arrow them with that +20% damage bonus. However, a strong nuke from stealth while the enemy is fighting the mabari is a totally viable option.

Interesting, do you know if it stacks with Assassinate?

[IN1]

Trapslick wrote...

having that high defense from duelist probably releases you from random arrow locks... i probably would have went shadow and found myself totally screwed over from that.

i still have no clue what you are going to do vs those 3 assassin battles, it seems like a rouge would be too squishy for that, i could be wrong.

edit:
ok, you sat there and defended yourself about being legit and that the boss thing just saves you time... this whole thing wouldn't bother me at all except you are doing a game breaking cheat. theres no way you 50g at lvl 6... this is a cheat and is game breaking, trust me, i normally do this cheat as well because honestly i hate having to worry about it, but it makes the game 3x as easy if not more. you should be doing very little damage to your opponents at that level with auto attack... in fact with all 3 of your companion's auto attack you'd probably be doing less than you are in that first fight.

cheating to make it through the game isn't really post worthy imho

Cheating? You mean I've used ruscript addmoney to test different gear setups (and if there was a code for adding equipment into my inventory, I'd have used it shamelessly, too). Err... Why not? It's not a DA2 money-making guide, after all. At levels 6-7, I have the same gear anyone can normally acquire at levels 6-7. I don't list unrealistically expensive gear pieces as absolutely mandatory, since I assume people that will follow this guide won't use console codes.

Now, the facts. Mind you, Arlathan Replica costs 7 g. The rest of the gear I use is either freebie DLCs or drops. 7 g is not a huge investment, by any means. If you really insist there is no way you can have 7 g at level 6-7, I can go through the same low-level battles with Adder of Antiva, which is a freebie DLC. It actually out-damages Arlathan's on lower levels, when the crits are scarce, by a considerable margin. Please do your homework before flaming me next time.

Użytkownik IN1 edytował ten post 21 marzec 2011 - 05:12

[Trapslick]

i think my point is valid, maybe you could afford that bow, but this allows you to pick up all the tombs / potions, update gear whenever possible and unlimited respecs.
I'm not saying what you're accomplishing will be easy because of it, but the add all the gold you want cheat is game breaking believe it or not.
i would not be flaming right now if it wasn't for the fact that you defended yourself as a legit player, its a single player game and your experiance, but you are in fact cheating, claiming a legit solo run through and then bragging about what you can accomplish

[StowyMcStowstow]

If it took me an hour to kill anything, I would just quit due to the lack of fun i would be having. Props for beating the game by yourself, with a rogue. I would kill myself if I tried, if not at the Rock Wraith, then the High Dragon fight.

[IN1]

Trapslick wrote...

i think my point is valid, maybe you could afford that bow, but this allows you to pick up all the tombs / potions, update gear whenever possible and unlimited respecs.
I'm not saying what you're accomplishing will be easy because of it, but the add all the gold you want cheat is game breaking believe it or not.
i would not be flaming right now if it wasn't for the fact that you defended yourself as a legit player, its a single player game and your experiance, but you are in fact cheating, claiming a legit solo run through and then bragging about what you can accomplish

It is my first complete DA2 playthrough. Of course, I wish to explore all the possibilities theoretically open to me, so yes, using runscript addmoney for testing purposes was extremely convenient. Once again, please note I do not list gear people cannot realistically afford at level X as mandatory. My phrasing is always: "Buy Y from Z as soon as you can afford it." 

I wish to address your consumables argument in detail, since it is the strongest (i. e., if I spend my gold on Arlathan, I cannot have potions in abundance). (1) I haven't used poisons and bombs/grenades until the very end of Act I to make my walkthrough realistic: I'm aware they are costly. (2) Speaking of potions: how many health potions did I use over the course of the Tranquility battle? One? Maybe two? Does it look unrealistic to you? In other words: does it matter you can see, say, an Absolution bow in my inventory, if I use a much weaker weapon while actually recording those videos? Does it matter I have, say, 1000 Concussion Grenades, if I use up only a couple while actually fighting AWR? 

Honestly, I fail to remember when exactly was I bragging about what I can accomplish. In case you haven't noticed, I'm much more into research of possibilities (theoretical possibilities included), than into demonstrating I'm uber-l33t. This is a guide for people that wish to optimize their archer rogue or to solo the game with a rogue character, not an exercise in self-promotion. Kiting enemies around the Chantry hall for half an hour is nothing to be proud of, trust me.

Użytkownik IN1 edytował ten post 21 marzec 2011 - 10:29

[Inferi]

ps3 version ftw no mods/console cheats sure its amazing to have beaten the game solo but its not something ppl do for fun and it defeats the whole purpose of the team play system lol.and its also a bit braggy so lol.

[IN1]

Inferi wrote...

ps3 version ftw no mods/console cheats sure its amazing to have beaten the game solo but its not something ppl do for fun and it defeats the whole purpose of the team play system lol.and its also a bit braggy so lol.

Well, by itself soloing is not braggy (nor does it possess any other qualities, for that matter). Some people soloing the game like to brag about it, that much is true. It's a matter of attitude and mindset, I guess.

[Parrk]

I am about to fall out of my chair reading all the hilarious nitpicking that is being hurled at this guy.

It is quite telling that none of his detractors has ever posted anything like "Here's how I solo'd the ARW on nightmare with my rogue <youtubelink>.

Seriously, you want him to use in-game mechanics and not use a gold script, omg ! that means he will have to spend 3g on maker's sigh and press his f5 key a few times. Pull your head out of your ass.

What is it again that haters gotta do? I forget.

[Basheda]

I play also an Solo Archer on Nightmare (Lvl8 currently) and runscript addmoney is an very strong cheat and an completely different game. I was able to buy the Emporium Bow at Lvl5 by opening chests and boxes and do some easy delivery quests, but your Act1 shoppinglist is much more than you can get before you need to enter Deep Roads. Your shopinglist by Act2 is more than you will have after finishing the complete game. Your Act1 purchases are worth 3-5 levels alone. Do it again without money cheat and you will feel the difference.

I beat the game 3 times on nightmare and one run was with moneycheat and all purchases from your list, so I know this items. It's an extreme difference if you use all this expensive stuff.

[Parrk]

Basheda wrote...

I play also an Solo Archer on Nightmare (Lvl8 currently) and runscript addmoney is an very strong cheat and an completely different game. I was able to buy the Emporium Bow at Lvl5 by opening chests and boxes and do some easy delivery quests, but your Act1 shoppinglist is much more than you can get before you need to enter Deep Roads. Your shopinglist by Act2 is more than you will have after finishing the complete game. Your Act1 purchases are worth 3-5 levels alone. Do it again without money cheat and you will feel the difference.

I beat the game 3 times on nightmare and one run was with moneycheat and all purchases from your list, so I know this items. It's an extreme difference if you use all this expensive stuff.

You get 5g from delivery chest for dlc or something, and another 5g for killing the target of mercenary quest outside kirkwall.

That would put the tomes out of reach initially, but the bow is still well within that amount.

Given that this style of play is almost 100% based on kiting and patience, I  do not accept that cutting 15 mins out of a 45 min fight is proof of anything approaching failure to have won the encounter.

Użytkownik Parrk edytował ten post 21 marzec 2011 - 05:41

[Basheda]

The act1 shopping list alone is more than 120g and all this items add more power than cutting out 15 mins from of a 45 min fight.
Some fights shift from nightmare to easy if you use all this stuff and you need other tactics or even fail if there is no corner/space to use stealth. All this items give you much more survivability and damage output, so you can eliminate threats where an character whithout this stuff die an horrible death.

[IN1]

The act1 shopping list alone is more than 120g and all this items add more power than cutting out 15 mins from of a 45 min fight.

You are either genuinely mistaken or deliberately trolling. Either way, please refrain from posting misleading comments and unverified information here.

Let's start with a bit of elementary math for you.

The absolutely necessary setup (and the one I run with for 80% of Act I) is:

Ser Isaac's Helm - free of charge (DLC)
Stalker's Boar Hides - free of charge (drop)
Bloody Butcher's Gloves - free of charge (drop)
Lowtown Stompers - free of charge (drop)
Resilience Ring - free of charge (DLC)
Arlathan - 7 g 66 s 75 c (in fact, it's preferable to run with Adder of Antiva until your crit rate & crit dmg get better)
Enchanted Silverite Chain Belt - 5 g 93 s 60 c (granted, you can live without it)
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The only expensive piece of my gear:
The Fallen Star Ring - 48 g 18 s
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(I show my gear in every video, so it's all easily verified.)

Leaving your calculations alone, are you implying the Fallen Star ring makes such a huge impact? Do you want me to go through the same battles without the Fallen Star? I bet they will be longer by half a minute, in the worst case. Most likely, no one will be able to tell the difference.

Użytkownik IN1 edytował ten post 21 marzec 2011 - 10:15

[Luke Barrett]

I strongly suggest you finish this endeavor before Patch 1 comes out. Revenants will be getting their pull-attack back and the fight during the Arwegian scrolls section of act 3 might be mildly ridiculous under these conditions.

As for the ARW fight, I've done it now as all 3 classes solo on nightmare - it just takes a very long time and a lot of potions.

[IN1]

Luke Barrett wrote...

I strongly suggest you finish this endeavor before Patch 1 comes out. Revenants will be getting their pull-attack back and the fight during the Arwegian scrolls section of act 3 might be mildly ridiculous under these conditions.

As for the ARW fight, I've done it now as all 3 classes solo on nightmare - it just takes a very long time and a lot of potions.

Nice to see you chime in, Luke About those Revenants: great to know they will cease to be total pushovers they are now. Without Mass Pull, they are ridiculously underpowered.

Concerning ARW: totally agreed. It is a test of patience much more than anything else.

[IN1]

Another short update.

[Luke Barrett]

Also, on the money issue. 50g is quite doable around the 6-8 level mark.

Here's a hint in case you're unaware of this:

When entering the gallows in the prologue, take Athenril's quest (smuggler) first.
When you talk to the merchant, accept his bribe (2g)
Now, talk to the Mercenary leader and take this quest
Go kill Friedrick for 5g (and change if you're lucky).

Now you get to start Act 1 with 7+ gold instead of the 5 or 0 you would have if you went with either option individually. Thats a free weapon right there

[Wissenschaft]

Heck, I get to level 11 before I even get to the deep roads. Money is no problem for me. I spend my extra coin of buying extra talents. Of course, being a 2h warrior means I can sort of cheat by using the free Blood Dragon and Hayder Razor.

[IN1]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Also, on the money issue. 50g is quite doable around the 6-8 level mark.

Here's a hint in case you're unaware of this:

When entering the gallows in the prologue, take Athenril's quest (smuggler) first.
When you talk to the merchant, accept his bribe (2g)
Now, talk to the Mercenary leader and take this quest
Go kill Friedrick for 5g (and change if you're lucky).

Now you get to start Act 1 with 7+ gold instead of the 5 or 0 you would have if you went with either option individually. Thats a free weapon right there

Great tip. Actually, I have done it (not because I'm so brilliant -- just took a hint from the Official Strategy Guide), then I realized finance management was never my forte anyway, so I won't mention money-making strategies in the guide  I am sure people like you (not necessarily the 'insiders', just experienced meta-gamers) can and will figure out optimal ways to accumulate enough gold to buy... whatever they see fit.

There is also an Act I money log one of the players posted here, in case someone doubts it is possible to buy the gear I've listed for Act I: http://social.biowar...8/index/6700626

That said, I'm considering adding a short 2a 'Shopping List Priorities' sub-section after each 'Optimal Gear and Quest Order' section. For example, it should be self-explanatory Stealth Boots and Heaven's Answer bow are top priority in Act II. However, buying the hugely overpriced rings from both Bonny Lem's and Nexus Golem's is not, and can be postponed till much later (or foregone altogether, for that matter). 

[Basheda]

You have 13+ skillpoints at Lvl10 and 20+ skillpoints at Lvl14. This 13 skillpoints at Lvl10 are only possible if you buy Tome + Elixir which alone counts for 48g. Add Fallen Star (48g), Bow (8g) and Belt (6g) and you are at 110g at Lvl10. And this is not legit.

Maybe your 13 skillpoints (or 20@lvl14) comes from several bugged respecs using Makers Sight Potion. But than its still not legit to use an bugged item over and over. This posting is no troll, I'm playing also an Nightmare as an Solo player. Make an new character whithout moneycheat and play him up to Deep Roads. You will see the difference.

[AKOdin]

In my (group) runthrough on hard, I was easily at 125g by the start of the expedition. I didn't really have to use potions at all aside from the Bone Pit creature, so I was able to sell them constantly. I also had RoF's in every available slot, but it's unclear if leaving companions out of the party gives you a bonus.
I also skipped most of the "extort money" options at the end of quests- I know for a fact I could have obtained 3 or 4 gold from Thrask by blackmailing him. I didn't get the tome of skill until immediately prior to the expedition (level 12 or 13 for me), but that was because I didn't take the loan option (which I will next time).