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[OniDaimyo]

Does anyone else think Morrigan probably intends on raising the god kid and then taking its body for herself like Flemeth would have done to her? I think that's her goal. I only realized that a few hours after beating the game and then going "oh ****'... She is pretty danged evil and selfish at times. I think it was probably Flemeths plan to take Morrgains body and then raise Morrigans god child and then take her body too.

[Maria Caliban]

Er, no. A number of reasons.



1. Morrigan is bad, but she's not baby killing bad.

2. Flemeth came up with the plan, not Morrigan. It must have involved something other than possession as Morrigan didn't learn about the possession until afterwards.

3. It's the Old God's soul that has the power. Morrigan wouldn't get anything but a new body out of it. (and what if the child is a male? I don't think she'd be down with that.)

[Jacks-Up]

I don't think they will every actually tell you IMO if Bioware makes an expansion or sequel it will be a whole other story like NWN.

[FFLB]

I personally feel that it could lead to the beginning of a Baldur's Gate-like experience.

[velimirius]

i said no to her ritual since she acted like flemeth.

you know when you kill flemeth,you give here grimoar and there are robes of "possession",so flemeth probably attached on something part of her spirit and possessed her.

after that she want to rise god child....

[OniDaimyo]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Er, no. A number of reasons.

1. Morrigan is bad, but she's not baby killing bad.
2. Flemeth came up with the plan, not Morrigan. It must have involved something other than possession as Morrigan didn't learn about the possession until afterwards.
3. It's the Old God's soul that has the power. Morrigan wouldn't get anything but a new body out of it. (and what if the child is a male? I don't think she'd be down with that.)

Wrong she's not baby killing bad. Yes she is. She wanted me to sacrifice a bunch of elves to make myself more powerfull. My father among them. I totally think Morrigan would indeed do such a thing. I think she totally intends to follow in Flemeths footsteps.

[JensenBakura]

Jacks-Up wrote...

I don't think they will every actually tell you IMO if Bioware makes an expansion or sequel it will be a whole other story like NWN.

I'm hoping they do something similar to the Aribeth story arc from NWN.  I'd be happy to have her as an optional extra in an expansion, similar to Shale.

@Maria: All good points, I agree with your assessment.  I've sort of gone off of Morrigan...even after I'd freed her from her mother, and she'd admitted to having fallen for me, she still turns tail and runs.  The ritual is always number one for her, which I didn't really understand, cause my first character would have happily left the spot light and gone off with Morrigan to raise her child with her free from the controlling Chantry.

Makes me think Morrigan never truly loves you.  The more I think about it, the more letting her get her way seems like too high of a price to pay.  I had visions of King Arthur all over again. 

[FFLB]

I personally feel that Morrigan is just very practical.

[OniDaimyo]

They aren't good points whatsoever. Morrigan has indeed shown she's willing to sacrifice others and she's fairly power hungry. I totally disagree she wouldnt bring up the child herself and then try to pull a Flemeth on it.I think she wanted a more powerfull child to posses with the ritual.

[Maria Caliban]

OniDaimyo wrote...

Wrong she's not baby killing bad. Yes she is. She wanted me to sacrifice a bunch of elves to make myself more powerfull. My father among them. I totally think Morrigan would indeed do such a thing. I think she totally intends to follow in Flemeths footsteps.

Your father is not her baby. Besides, she probably assumed that you had the same issues with your dad as she had with her mother. If you don't get a +1 con bonus out of him, he'll just possess your body some day. Parents are like that!

[OniDaimyo]

Um ok whatever the hell that was supposed to mean.

[EatinMcRib]

Methinks Morrigan doesn't want you to find her precisely because you'll probably find out she's up to no good at all with her plan and doesn't want to have to either kill you or have herself killed by you.

I like to think my character left to look for her as one nasty last loose end, denying everyone else's offers of joining him, since he's almost certain he'll end up dead.

Modifié par EatinMcRib, 17 novembre 2009 - 10:29 .

[dannythefool]

I think she wants to use the baby somehow to gain power, I'm not sure that involves taking its body. It would fit in very well with her idea of power and survival being the only things that have meaning, but maybe being mother of a god has similar benefits?

[Antikristine]

Morrigan's been talking about learning Flemeth's rituals since you found Flemeth's book in the mage's tower. After you kill Flemeth for her, and you give her Flemeth's grimoire, she says she'll start studying it right away. Of course she is planning to use the child to expand her lifespan like Flemeth did. And if she should change her mind... well, then she can always claim the throne through the child. Convenient.

[OniDaimyo]

Antikristine wrote...

Morrigan's been talking about learning Flemeth's rituals since you found Flemeth's book in the mage's tower. After you kill Flemeth for her, and you give her Flemeth's grimoire, she says she'll start studying it right away. Of course she is planning to use the child to expand her lifespan like Flemeth did. And if she should change her mind... well, then she can always claim the throne through the child. Convenient.

Maria just cant accept that Morrigan is very capable of doing just that.

[Hypersomnia]

Am I the only one who thinks that the whole bodysnap story from Morrigan was a lie? I think she just tries to manipulate PC to get rid of Flemeth. She really doesn't seem to have much love for her.



And I have a little theory on Flemeth. What if she has the essence of one of the previous archdemons? We know this is possible because Morrigan wants to have a child who has the current archdemons essence. Even Morrigan might have an Old Gods essence. That would explain much in my opinion, like the predatory personality of both.

[JensenBakura]

OniDaimyo wrote...

They aren't good points whatsoever. Morrigan has indeed shown she's willing to sacrifice others and she's fairly power hungry. I totally disagree she wouldnt bring up the child herself and then try to pull a Flemeth on it.I think she wanted a more powerfull child to posses with the ritual.

Switch to decaf.

Also, Flemeth was an abomination, Morrigan is only a human mage.  Even finding out the details of Flemeth's possession technique does not prove Morrigan - who is only a human - could do the same thing.

Why do people keep ignoring this?

[malosia]

if you deny her ritual but romance her earlier the ending says she still has a child. this is weird because if she was already pregnant wouldn't she just find a way to sneak near the archdemon to absorb its soul anyway?



aside from that confusing part, i always assumed killing flemeth and having a gray warden baby was morrigans plan for flemeth. killing her and having her enter a much more powerful body would gain flemeths respect and save morrigans own life. if not for respect atleast flemeth would no longer underestimate morrigan and would be much more likely to share her magic with her. this could be partially wrong because morrigan hints before the ritual that it was flemeths plan, either way they are involved together and the child is obviously ment for flemeths new body.

[OniDaimyo]

Fail about the coffee comment. I wasnt angry.

Riiiight cause she totally cant do any of it with that whole ritual she used that Flemeth knew about to make the kid in the first place.

Start drinking.

Modifié par OniDaimyo, 17 novembre 2009 - 10:46 .

[JensenBakura]

malosia wrote...

if you deny her ritual but romance her earlier the ending says she still has a child. this is weird because if she was already pregnant wouldn't she just find a way to sneak near the archdemon to absorb its soul anyway? .

Really? 

How interesting.  Must look into that.

@OP: You're confusing the ritual at the end of the game with the process Flemeth was using to get new bodies.  Two different things, entirely unrelated.  Morrigan clearly states that she had plans for the child beyond being an empty sack for her to fill.

[FlintlockJazz]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Er, no. A number of reasons.

1. Morrigan is bad, but she's not baby killing bad.
2. Flemeth came up with the plan, not Morrigan. It must have involved something other than possession as Morrigan didn't learn about the possession until afterwards.
3. It's the Old God's soul that has the power. Morrigan wouldn't get anything but a new body out of it. (and what if the child is a male? I don't think she'd be down with that.)

1.  Yes she is, she wanted to kill children in the Mages' tower because they are part of the circle.
2.  Yes, Flemeth came up with the plan and so it's perfectly reasonable to believe that Morrigan had no idea what the plan for the baby was until she read the grimoire, then decided to take the baby for herself.
3.  It is stated that the more powerfu the host is the better the possession, the more likely it is to succeed and the more power the resulting entity has, that is why Flemeth wants Morrigan to go out in the world to gain experience and become more powerful.

[malosia]

you also lose approval with morrigan if you deny the demon from possessing the child in the stone prisoner DLC

[DaneWolf]

Maybe Morrigan IS flemmeth when she asks you about making a child "on her" erhm.... Well maybe then she was allready possesed by Flemmeth. You know what she sayed... Flemmeth is never truly dead.

[JensenBakura]

DaneWolf wrote...

Maybe Morrigan IS flemmeth when she asks you about making a child "on her" erhm.... Well maybe then she was allready possesed by Flemmeth. You know what she sayed... Flemmeth is never truly dead.

I wondered about that...I suppose it's possible that Flemeth might have been able to transfer her essence with either directly into Morrigan after you "kill" her, or as someone else suggested, into the "robes of possession."

[Tamyn]

If Morrigan wanted to take over the god-child's body wouldn't she essentially be kicking out the soul of the god and just claiming the shell of the child for herself? There would be no power left. It's the soul that's important; she wanted a newly conceived kid so the archdemon's soul could enter the baby (kicking out the human soul) without killing the body of the child.