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[malosia]

i think its more likely morrigan has the child for her so she doesn't have to worry about flemeth coming after her eventually.

DaneWolf wrote...
"robes of possession."

haha i never noticed that. i guess bioware likes to leave hints everywhere

[chiliztri]

Tamyn wrote...

If Morrigan wanted to take over the god-child's body wouldn't she essentially be kicking out the soul of the god and just claiming the shell of the child for herself? There would be no power left. It's the soul that's important; she wanted a newly conceived kid so the archdemon's soul could enter the baby (kicking out the human soul) without killing the body of the child.

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[CaisLaochach]

Tamyn wrote...

If Morrigan wanted to take over the god-child's body wouldn't she essentially be kicking out the soul of the god and just claiming the shell of the child for herself? There would be no power left. It's the soul that's important; she wanted a newly conceived kid so the archdemon's soul could enter the baby (kicking out the human soul) without killing the body of the child.

I thought the idea was that the Arch-demon's soul was indeed killed, but it's purified essence would travel into the baby? Thus creating a new Old God.

Simply put, she's giving the world its Gods back. Machiavellian style good?

[FlintlockJazz]

Tamyn wrote...

If Morrigan wanted to take over the god-child's body wouldn't she essentially be kicking out the soul of the god and just claiming the shell of the child for herself? There would be no power left. It's the soul that's important; she wanted a newly conceived kid so the archdemon's soul could enter the baby (kicking out the human soul) without killing the body of the child.

If that's the case, then why did Flemeth want Morrigan to gain experience?  Wouldn't that all go the moment Flemeth moved in?  Either the power of the previous inhabitant does have an effect on how powerful the possessor is after taking over or Morrigan is lying (a very strong possibility), in which case she was also lying about Flemeth wanting to possess her as well.  Also, when a demon possesses a human host both souls apparently stay in the host body and either fight for dominance or merge, how do we know that maybe that's not what Flemeth does?  That she doesn't actually kick out her daughters' souls but actually merges with them (though probably using the ritual to ensure that her own personality is dominant), effectively growing in power with each possessed host she takes...

[CaisLaochach]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

If Morrigan wanted to take over the god-child's body wouldn't she essentially be kicking out the soul of the god and just claiming the shell of the child for herself? There would be no power left. It's the soul that's important; she wanted a newly conceived kid so the archdemon's soul could enter the baby (kicking out the human soul) without killing the body of the child.

If that's the case, then why did Flemeth want Morrigan to gain experience?  Wouldn't that all go the moment Flemeth moved in?  Either the power of the previous inhabitant does have an effect on how powerful the possessor is after taking over or Morrigan is lying (a very strong possibility), in which case she was also lying about Flemeth wanting to possess her as well.  Also, when a demon possesses a human host both souls apparently stay in the host body and either fight for dominance or merge, how do we know that maybe that's not what Flemeth does?  That she doesn't actually kick out her daughters' souls but actually merges with them (though probably using the ritual to ensure that her own personality is dominant), effectively growing in power with each possessed host she takes...

She doesn't want Morrigan to gain experience, she wants the baby. Morrigan tells you that's why she was sent.

If you've romanced Morrigan she'll tell you that she was never meant to care for you, that it was an accident that she fell in love with you.

[Agni108]

I think almost everyone is completely misreading Morrigan. Bioware has pulled the wool over our eyes, and has done so brilliantly. You have to understand what Morrigan represents, symbolically. She is perhaps the deepest and most enigmatic of all the characters in the game--and will clearly play a role, at least historically, in the expansion. There are several important points to consider.

1. First, Morrigan is a child of Nature. She has been raised by Flemeth, the "Witch of the Wild", who is Bioware's dark version of "Mother Nature". Nature does not know "good" or "evil". It only knows maximum efficiency. Physics thus tells us that all of Nature operates according to the law of least action = maximum efficiency. Nature is not all flowers and butterflies. It can also be heartless and cruel. But it always operates according to the law of maximum efficiency.

2. As a child of Nature, who was raised in the Wilds, far away from human habitation, Morrigan is alien to the false illusions of human society, with its flimsy notions of "good" and "evil". Morrigan is not "evil", nor is she "good". She transcends "good" and "evil". Remember, that (according to the Bible) Adam and Eve "fell" from grace because they tasted of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

At no point, does one get the notion that Morrigan is some power hungry maniac. She does not revel in killing for killing's sake. Nor is she interested in "power" for self-aggrandizment. She is only interested in accomplishing the goal of saving the world, as quickly and practially as possible. Any attempt by the PC to "help" others, by putting putting the party at risk, or delaying the primary goal, is thus frowned upon by her. The fate of the world hangs in the balance, and that is her focus. She sees the forest, and does not want to be distracted by individual trees.

3. Flemeth also transcends good and evil. Remember that Flemeth "protected" the treaties for centuries, encouraged the party to gather the allies to fight the Blight, and offered Morrigan to help in the fight. Flemeth is clearly against the Blight. She hates the "dark taint" that it brings to the world. She may have taken on the "taint" in order to conquer it...as have the Gray Wardens. At no point does she threaten the PC, except when she herself is attacked.

4. Flemeth had two Grimoires. The first, found in the Circle, outlined her own history, which involved attaining semi-immortality by possessing the bodies of her daughters. While this may seem repugnant, it may have had a deeper purpose--revealed in the second Grimoire, found at her house, after Flemeth was slain. After Morrigan reads the second Grimoire, she learns of the "ritual" which is capable of binding the soul of an Old God to the body of her child. Ostensibly, Flemeth discovered this ritual through her research over the centuries, and that research was probably the reason she needed to continue her studies over the long course of time.

5. The Old Gods, represent the Gods of Nature, who have been corrupted by the "taint" and thus transformed into Archdemons. I believe that Flemeth sought, through her research, some way to redeem the Old Gods, and thus "redeem" all of Nature. When Morrigan fully understood what Flemeth was trying to accomplish, she changed her view, and decided that she had to fulfill her Mother's plan. If she did not do this, the world was ultimately doomed in the long run. I believe that the goal of both Flemeth and Morrigan was thus to finally and completely remove the taint from the land, and restore the Balance in Nature. They have a bigger picture of things than ordinary humanity, which is only concerned with this particular Blight.

6. This is the perfect set up for an expansion, which will likely revolve around the God Child of Morrigan, who will be faced with the task of "redeeming" Nature, and removing the taint once and for all...but who will also be faced with his/her dual history....as an Old God and as an Archdemon...now in human form. Will the God Child succumb to the taint, and thus become a new Archdemon in human form, or will he/she undergo final salvation and become a God of Balance in human form? Stay tuned...this story is not over.

The story is very deep my friends...and in my opinion Bioware has created a masterpiece, where things are not as they appear on the surface. Morrigan, whom everyone thinks is "evil", may turn out to be the real "hero" of the story, who was willing to "sacrifice" her only begotten child for the salvation of the world. Does that ring a bell?

In the case where Morrigan is in "love" with the PC, she must also sacrifice her only love, for the sake of saving the world. In other words, Morrigan is not "selfish", rather she is "selfless". Like Nature Herself, she is both beautiful and potentially cruel in her one-pointed focus on maximum efficiency. What an awesome character.

Modifié par Agni108, 17 novembre 2009 - 11:47 .

[JobacNoor]

And especially after you've gone through with the ritual, there's absolutely no reason for her to still lie about being in love with your PC. If anything, it would've probably been better/easier for her to tell him that she played him all along and had no feelings for him whatsoever.

EDIT: The poster above me: I applaud you.

Modifié par JobacNoor, 17 novembre 2009 - 11:42 .

[Gaspara]

Agni108 wrote...

I think almost everyone is completely misreading Morrigan. Bioware has pulled the wool over our eyes, and has done so brilliantly. You have to understand what Morrigan represents, symbolically. She is perhaps the deepest and most enigmatic of all the characters in the game--and will clearly play a role, at least historically, in the expansion. There are several important points to consider.
....(snip)

The story is very deep my friends...and in my opinion Bioware has created a masterpiece, where things are not as they appear on the surface. Morrigan, whom everyone thinks is "evil", may turn out to be the real "hero" of the story, who was willing to "sacrifice" her only begotten child for the salvation of the world. Does that ring a bell?

In the case where Morrigan is in "love" with the PC, she must also sacrifice her only love, for the sake of saving the world. In other words, Morrigan is not "selfish", rather she is "selfless". Like Nature Herself, she is both beautiful and potentially cruel in her one-pointed focus on maximum efficiency. What an awesome character.

Brilliant post. I edit only to save page space on the forums.



I think Bioware must be very happy that people are  passionately interested in the motivations of their characters. It suggests that the story moved them. It certainly did me, and I say that as someone who romanced and cared about Morrigan's character in my first playthrough - and had no idea what the outcome was going to be. I was frankly blindsided.

I quote Agni108 above because in many ways it is a smarly written post, with a strong point of view and strong story evidence to back it up.

Buuuuuuut......  (You knew that was comming)

I think you may be giving (my beloved) Morrigan a little too much credit.

I believe that she very much has human emotions and can care about the main character and be touched by their friendship/love. It makes the character more human, flawed and interesting.

Which leads me to Morrigan's flaws. She has very little compassion and a lust for power. I think her lack of compassion may come from Flemeth's drumming a hatred of weakness into her. She can't stand people who feel sorry for themselves (though that's exactly what she does if she falls in love), but has no problem championing those with power who seem held back by others - for example: Sten and the blood mage in Redcliff.


I really feel like the creators of the story here are going for a woman who wants to change the world for what she thinks of as The Better. The problem is that she is a fearful, angry person who was probably abused as a child by Flemeth. Remember the story of the beautiful mirror that Morrigan stole as a child that Flemeth smashed and that the PC can replace to win her heart? Remember when she rolled her eyes at the fade demon's attempts to pretend to be Flemeth in the Mage Tower section? Suddenly the demon smacks her hard across the face. Morrigan's reaction? She says something to the effect of "That's better, but too little, too late."

I think it fits with the themes set up in the game (morality being examined in shades of gray rather than black and white) to have Morrigan fall in love, or feel friendship and then abandon it - though it pains her. A part of her just wants to be loved, though It is easy to miss that unless the player seeks it out as I did - in my case out of great affections for the character.

I like the idea that Morrigan IS doing something good and transformational for the world - which is full of institutions and people that are brutal and cruel. But she may be doing it for the wrong reasons or tainting it - dooming herself with her constant fear of Flemeth's return and weakness in general.

I fear that she is destine to do powerful things that will have long lasting effects - she may very well be ushering in the Dragon Age of the title by her actions since the old gods were dragons - but that those actions will likely be a double edged sword like so many outcomes in the game. Her actions are more likely to cause change that will be
both good and bad. I also fear that she will pay a terrible price for her arrogance and her odd innocence when it comes to human emotions. In fact, I think she already is.

But in a strange way, you may be correct. I think she is the hero of this tale - not because she is a good or superior person, but because she is a strange and tragic hero in a strange and tragic world who seeks to do good by bringing more strength, self-reliance and power into the world, but for some tragical flawed reasons.

Modifié par Gaspara, 17 novembre 2009 - 12:37 .

[Agni108]

Gaspara, I largely agree with you. Morrigan is clearly human, and capable of human felt emotions, such as love. So she is not a perfect reflection of Nature. She is flawed like all of us. And she is definitely arrogant about what she believes to be her superior way of life, and dismissive of human frailties. Thus, I do not think Morrigan is "good" or "flawless". But I do suspect she will turn out to be the true, but largely misunderstood, hero of the story, to be revealed in the expansion. I also suspect that her "ritual" and subsequent God Child will produce unforeseen consequences, that will be both destructive and transformational--but will give the opportunity for final redemption, at a serious cost. In Bioware stories, there is no such thing as "gain without pain". All victories come with a serious price, and I suspect that Morrigan will pay a serious price for her actions, no matter how well-intentioned they might be.

[Antikristine]

I also applaud Agni108's post. It's well argued and well reasoned. But I also thing Gaspara has some points in his/her counterargument.

All since we first met Morrigan and Flemeth, I haven't been able to shake off the feeling that there's some kind of special bond between the two. That they maybe are two incarnations of the same power in a sense. While it goes well with Agni108's Christian allegory, I get the feeling something different is going on. What if the story Morrigan tells you about Flemeth's plans is not true? What if it is a greater scheme they made up together? Maybe Flemeth's soul can't be passed on as long as she is alive, and that's where Morrigan's baby enters the picture? Which would mean that Flemeth would have a new, godly body in exchange for the old one. 

In any respect, Morrigan (and maybe Flemeth) is not out of the story yet. I'm certain she'll appear one way or the other in an expansion or a sequel. The most dangerous enemies are of course the ones you don't know whether you can trust or not.

[Gaspara]

Agni108 wrote...

Gaspara, I largely agree with you. Morrigan is clearly human, and capable of human felt emotions, such as love. So she is not a perfect reflection of Nature. She is flawed like all of us. And she is definitely arrogant about what she believes to be her superior way of life, and dismissive of human frailties. Thus, I do not think Morrigan is "good" or "flawless". But I do suspect she will turn out to be the true, but largely misunderstood, hero of the story, to be revealed in the expansion. I also suspect that her "ritual" and subsequent God Child will produce unforeseen consequences, that will be both destructive and transformational--but will give the opportunity for final redemption, at a serious cost. In Bioware stories, there is no such thing as "gain without pain". All victories come with a serious price, and I suspect that Morrigan will pay a serious price for her actions, no matter how well-intentioned they might be.

I agree. Very well said.

[Vilegrim]

Agni108 wrote...

I think almost everyone is completely misreading Morrigan. Bioware has pulled the wool over our eyes, and has done so brilliantly. You have to understand what Morrigan represents, symbolically. She is perhaps the deepest and most enigmatic of all the characters in the game--and will clearly play a role, at least historically, in the expansion. There are several important points to consider.

1. First, Morrigan is a child of Nature. She has been raised by Flemeth, the "Witch of the Wild", who is Bioware's dark version of "Mother Nature". Nature does not know "good" or "evil". It only knows maximum efficiency. Physics thus tells us that all of Nature operates according to the law of least action = maximum efficiency. Nature is not all flowers and butterflies. It can also be heartless and cruel. But it always operates according to the law of maximum efficiency.

2. As a child of Nature, who was raised in the Wilds, far away from human habitation, Morrigan is alien to the false illusions of human society, with its flimsy notions of "good" and "evil". Morrigan is not "evil", nor is she "good". She transcends "good" and "evil". Remember, that (according to the Bible) Adam and Eve "fell" from grace because they tasted of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

At no point, does one get the notion that Morrigan is some power hungry maniac. She does not revel in killing for killing's sake. Nor is she interested in "power" for self-aggrandizment. She is only interested in accomplishing the goal of saving the world, as quickly and practially as possible. Any attempt by the PC to "help" others, by putting putting the party at risk, or delaying the primary goal, is thus frowned upon by her. The fate of the world hangs in the balance, and that is her focus. She sees the forest, and does not want to be distracted by individual trees.

3. Flemeth also transcends good and evil. Remember that Flemeth "protected" the treaties for centuries, encouraged the party to gather the allies to fight the Blight, and offered Morrigan to help in the fight. Flemeth is clearly against the Blight. She hates the "dark taint" that it brings to the world. She may have taken on the "taint" in order to conquer it...as have the Gray Wardens. At no point does she threaten the PC, except when she herself is attacked.

4. Flemeth had two Grimoires. The first, found in the Circle, outlined her own history, which involved attaining semi-immortality by possessing the bodies of her daughters. While this may seem repugnant, it may have had a deeper purpose--revealed in the second Grimoire, found at her house, after Flemeth was slain. After Morrigan reads the second Grimoire, she learns of the "ritual" which is capable of binding the soul of an Old God to the body of her child. Ostensibly, Flemeth discovered this ritual through her research over the centuries, and that research was probably the reason she needed to continue her studies over the long course of time.

5. The Old Gods, represent the Gods of Nature, who have been corrupted by the "taint" and thus transformed into Archdemons. I believe that Flemeth sought, through her research, some way to redeem the Old Gods, and thus "redeem" all of Nature. When Morrigan fully understood what Flemeth was trying to accomplish, she changed her view, and decided that she had to fulfill her Mother's plan. If she did not do this, the world was ultimately doomed in the long run. I believe that the goal of both Flemeth and Morrigan was thus to finally and completely remove the taint from the land, and restore the Balance in Nature. They have a bigger picture of things than ordinary humanity, which is only concerned with this particular Blight.

6. This is the perfect set up for an expansion, which will likely revolve around the God Child of Morrigan, who will be faced with the task of "redeeming" Nature, and removing the taint once and for all...but who will also be faced with his/her dual history....as an Old God and as an Archdemon...now in human form. Will the God Child succumb to the taint, and thus become a new Archdemon in human form, or will he/she undergo final salvation and become a God of Balance in human form? Stay tuned...this story is not over.

The story is very deep my friends...and in my opinion Bioware has created a masterpiece, where things are not as they appear on the surface. Morrigan, whom everyone thinks is "evil", may turn out to be the real "hero" of the story, who was willing to "sacrifice" her only begotten child for the salvation of the world. Does that ring a bell?

In the case where Morrigan is in "love" with the PC, she must also sacrifice her only love, for the sake of saving the world. In other words, Morrigan is not "selfish", rather she is "selfless". Like Nature Herself, she is both beautiful and potentially cruel in her one-pointed focus on maximum efficiency. What an awesome character.

so you mean it could come down to save Morrigan or save everything else? 

[Gaspara]

Antikristine wrote...

I also applaud Agni108's post. It's well argued and well reasoned. But I also thing Gaspara has some points in his/her counterargument.

All since we first met Morrigan and Flemeth, I haven't been able to shake off the feeling that there's some kind of special bond between the two. That they maybe are two incarnations of the same power in a sense. While it goes well with Agni108's Christian allegory, I get the feeling something different is going on. What if the story Morrigan tells you about Flemeth's plans is not true? What if it is a greater scheme they made up together? Maybe Flemeth's soul can't be passed on as long as she is alive, and that's where Morrigan's baby enters the picture? Which would mean that Flemeth would have a new, godly body in exchange for the old one. 

In any respect, Morrigan (and maybe Flemeth) is not out of the story yet. I'm certain she'll appear one way or the other in an expansion or a sequel. The most dangerous enemies are of course the ones you don't know whether you can trust or not.

I agree. From a story telling perspective you can't really have Morrigan without Flemeth. And some of Flemeth's words suggest that their relationship and it's "end"  has happened or been experienced by her before - that she is almost bored with the whole thing. I'm sure we will see Flemeth again in one form or another.

[FlintlockJazz]

Agni, I have to disagree with you regarding Morrigan being a force of nature due to the very fact that she wants to free Jowan and Sten despite the fact that they have failed to survive by allowing themselves to get caught while wanting to kill Wynne despite the fact that she had proven her survivability more than the other two by having survived the abominations and not having been caught.



She claims to be all about survival of the fittest, but you can't take anything she says to be truth, and since Jowan is so inept the only reason she deems him worthy of release is because he's a blood mage, which is irrelevant when he can't even keep himself out of prison. Flemeth could be a force of nature, but Morrigan no, she's just too opinionated herself to really be such a thing, and comes across more as a "Viconia Mark 2" aka "Me evulz but canz be redeemz" to me. Just my two pennies worth.

[Ellzedd]

People seem to be overlooking the fact that Morrigan never wanted to join you in the first place, it was Flemeth's idea. She claimed Morrigan's skills would be of use to you, which is true. For those that like to speculate perhaps Flemeth knew of the ritual (there was a similar story within the codex afterall) but unlikely.

You could argue that Morrigan:

A) Knew of this ritual all along (begs the question: How?) and her whole agenda was to have this child with a god-soul. But would that make sense, since it was never her idea to leave Flemeth's hut with you. She just came to agree, in the end.

Or :

Found out about the ritual from Flemeth's Grimoire. This would probably mean that her motives in relation to the child are purely open to speculation. It could be anything. It could be nothing. Morrigan did become more and more human slowly towards the end. Perhaps it was a simple act of kindness in a very morrigan-esque way, save your life, no commitments.
 
The further you romancer her the more she was removed from just about everything she knew, was taught and grew up to believe as a child. That'd scare anybody. In that situation anyone of us is capable of cowarding out and running away. Of course romance or no. The end result is always the same so it couldn't be the reason. It's just, one side of a perspective as a result of one path through the game.

Modifié par Ellzedd, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:31 .

[marshalleck]

I think Agni has the right of it. Morrigan's character has some serious Nietszchean overtones, which is something Bioware has always dabbled in ever since Baldur's Gate. Don't really have anything else to add, aside from pointing out the obvious Christian-themed Chantry and Morrigan who is an almost complete inversion of what they teach--a classic 'overman' or 'beyond human' that Nietzsche conceptualized.  I think Agni nailed it.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ubermensch -- sound familiar?

also - http://en.wikipedia....drich_Nietzsche

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:55 .

[UnAffectedFiddle]

It does raise the question though and first thing I hought of was Hellboy 2: The Golden Army, how can one condone the killing of something so unique in nature as that of an Old God? What right does civilisation have to destroy something so primal (i.e. Maker vs Old Gods) if it can be saved?



Perhaps Flemeth is not an all knowing overlord, whats not to say each daughter is led to believe the mother is evil and therefore kill her as both a proving of skill and taking up the mantle of Flemeth? Though she does say a few things which makes me question this theory but still.



Morrigan seems to believe in things outside of the chantry as we see with Sten. She is power hungry of course, manipulative and many other things though. An Old God is a symbol of pwer to her, but because of what it symbolises over the supposed zealot nature of the Chantry?



Races, nations and people have all been persecuted by an etablishment that has no real god hood tied to it other than what we are told. To her, everything touched by the Chantry is evil and corrupt. How can anyone condone a institution that obliterates an entire nation of Elves simply for believing differently. Then when they are freed by the Prophet, removing all mention of Elves from their songs and forcing them to live in squalor?



I hope the next game is big and grand, taking advantage of this fact!

[KnightofPhoenix]

This is all pointless speculation. We don't know if Morrigan is even capable of possessing the spirit of an Old God. Flemeth takes control of the body, but not the spirit.



So even if Morrigan wants to take control of the kid's body, she cannot take control of his divine spirit. That is assuming she can even possess the body of an Old God.

[FlintlockJazz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

This is all pointless speculation. We don't know if Morrigan is even capable of possessing the spirit of an Old God. Flemeth takes control of the body, but not the spirit.

So even if Morrigan wants to take control of the kid's body, she cannot take control of his divine spirit. That is assuming she can even possess the body of an Old God.

Yes, but it's fun to speculate.

[Agni108]

The child does not have the "body" of an Old God. It has the body of a human child.



The soul that is bound to it (in the womb) is supposed to be that of an Old God, which had been tainted and assumed the form of an Archdemon. I doubt that either Morrigan or Flemeth have the power to push the soul of an Old God out of that body and thus possess it. The implication is that the child was not conceived for Morrigan or Flemeth to possess. It was concieved to be a vehicle for the soul of an Old God, and to set up the premise for the expansion. Morrigan and Flemeth are just catalysts. The Blights are caused by the taint that has infected the Old Gods. To get rid of the Blight, the Old Gods must be redeemed. Perhaps Flemeth and Morrigan have found a way....we will see.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Agni108 wrote...

The child does not have the "body" of an Old God. It has the body of a human child.

The soul that is bound to it (in the womb) is supposed to be that of an Old God, which had been tainted and assumed the form of an Archdemon. I doubt that either Morrigan or Flemeth have the power to push the soul of an Old God out of that body and thus possess it. The implication is that the child was not conceived for Morrigan or Flemeth to possess. It was concieved to be a vehicle for the soul of an Old God, and to set up the premise for the expansion. Morrigan and Flemeth are just catalysts. The Blights are caused by the taint that has infected the Old Gods. To get rid of the Blight, the Old Gods must be redeemed. Perhaps Flemeth and Morrigan have found a way....we will see.

I agree with your interpretation better.
What I think Morrigan wants is to truly end the blight by destroying the taint. And only a purified Old God can do this.

[tkaz85]

Morrigan is such a deep character and the relationship between her and the PC is co complex that I actually wrote a story about it.  You can read it here.  I believe i captures how I feel about Morrigan's actions and motives better than any forum post can.

Note: assumes Male Human Noble, romance with Leliana, high relationship with Morrigan, and acceptance of the ritual.

P.S. I totally agree that Morrigan and her child would be great protagonists (or even antagonists) in DA2.

[Flamin Jesus]

I don't think ending the Darkspawn threat is particularly high on her to-do list, if Archdemons really ARE old gods (Which we can assume) there are only 2 more Archdemons to destroy/free before the Darkspawn turn into an unorganized heap of bodies that is, at its worst, a threat to the dwarves.



If you press her for an explanation, she says something about the child bringing the promise of freedom or some such, which I suppose means that she's planning to revive the worship of at least this one old god as a direct opposition to the Chantry, which she obviously views as the true enemy, since they won't go away on their own (The Darkspawn on the other hand will, eventually).

[Rattleface]

God, I hope her kid doesn't look like my character. His stubble would floating over his cheeks and everything like his father's.



But uh, I sure hope we don't directly play as this god-kid. If we did and our character from Origins was referred to as the "Warden" like nwn2 referred to the our char from the main campaign as the "Knight Commander"... I will be seriously pissed.

[Rattleface]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I don't think ending the Darkspawn threat is particularly high on her to-do list, if Archdemons really ARE old gods (Which we can assume) there are only 2 more Archdemons to destroy/free before the Darkspawn turn into an unorganized heap of bodies that is, at its worst, a threat to the dwarves.

If you press her for an explanation, she says something about the child bringing the promise of freedom or some such, which I suppose means that she's planning to revive the worship of at least this one old god as a direct opposition to the Chantry, which she obviously views as the true enemy, since they won't go away on their own (The Darkspawn on the other hand will, eventually).

Seriously?  I doubt anyone, a character in a fantasy game or not, would do something so drastic just to snuff a religion.
Seems a little drastic.

edit: lol i used the word drastic twice

Modifié par Rattleface, 17 novembre 2009 - 02:57 .