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[Antikristine]

tkaz85 wrote...
P.S. I totally agree that Morrigan and her child would be great protagonists (or even antagonists) in DA2.

Antagonists, definitely. I could envision a setup where the player takes on the role of a legitimate child of King Alistair, and in which the threat is your illegitimate demon sibling.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I don't think ending the Darkspawn threat is particularly high on her to-do list, if Archdemons really ARE old gods (Which we can assume) there are only 2 more Archdemons to destroy/free before the Darkspawn turn into an unorganized heap of bodies that is, at its worst, a threat to the dwarves.

If you press her for an explanation, she says something about the child bringing the promise of freedom or some such, which I suppose means that she's planning to revive the worship of at least this one old god as a direct opposition to the Chantry, which she obviously views as the true enemy, since they won't go away on their own (The Darkspawn on the other hand will, eventually).

So she can be the "Mother of God"? lol
Meeh, I don't think they actually cares about any religion. Or that she even worships these old gods.
She said that some things are worth preserving. She doesn't want the old gods to be annihilated. Perhaps part of it is to spite the chantry, but I doubt that's her real concern, she couldn't care less.

And it is interesting to point out that Morrigan is interested in beauty. And that particular old God is "the dragon of beauty".

[Rattleface]

Antikristine wrote...

tkaz85 wrote...
P.S. I totally agree that Morrigan and her child would be great protagonists (or even antagonists) in DA2.

Antagonists, definitely. I could envision a setup where the player takes on the role of a legitimate child of King Alistair, and in which the threat is your illegitimate demon sibling.

wtf is wrong with you people...

[marshalleck]

Antikristine wrote...

tkaz85 wrote...
P.S. I totally agree that Morrigan and her child would be great protagonists (or even antagonists) in DA2.

Antagonists, definitely. I could envision a setup where the player takes on the role of a legitimate child of King Alistair, and in which the threat is your illegitimate demon sibling.

Yeah...well, here's the thing. Being King of Ferelden really has nothing on being the earthly incarnation of an Old God.

Slightly massive disparity between the two. I am fairly certain that Morrigan and her god-child aspire a bit higher than becoming king of a backwater country that smells like wet dog.

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 novembre 2009 - 03:04 .

[Flamin Jesus]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I don't think ending the Darkspawn threat is particularly high on her to-do list, if Archdemons really ARE old gods (Which we can assume) there are only 2 more Archdemons to destroy/free before the Darkspawn turn into an unorganized heap of bodies that is, at its worst, a threat to the dwarves.

If you press her for an explanation, she says something about the child bringing the promise of freedom or some such, which I suppose means that she's planning to revive the worship of at least this one old god as a direct opposition to the Chantry, which she obviously views as the true enemy, since they won't go away on their own (The Darkspawn on the other hand will, eventually).

So she can be the "Mother of God"? lol
Meeh, I don't think they actually cares about any religion. Or that she even worships these old gods.
She said that some things are worth preserving. She doesn't want the old gods to be annihilated. Perhaps part of it is to spite the chantry, but I doubt that's her real concern, she couldn't care less.

And it is interesting to point out that Morrigan is interested in beauty. And that particular old God is "the dragon of beauty".

Morrigan for MOG! 
I don't know, Morrigan may not care about religion, but she sure doesn't like the Chantry, the biggest problem she has with Circle Mages for example seems to be that they are under the Chantry's heel. She probably really doesn't care if there's a Maker or if the Chantry is technically correct, but the Chantry IS the biggest source of a philosophy she abhors, and the best way to fight an organization that is based around the worship of an invisible higher power is to give people a real higher power to worship, no matter if you actually believe what you're advertising.

[Flamin Jesus]

marshalleck wrote...

Antikristine wrote...

tkaz85 wrote...
P.S. I totally agree that Morrigan and her child would be great protagonists (or even antagonists) in DA2.

Antagonists, definitely. I could envision a setup where the player takes on the role of a legitimate child of King Alistair, and in which the threat is your illegitimate demon sibling.

Yeah...well, here's the thing. Being King of Ferelden really has nothing on being the earthly incarnation of an Old God.

Slightly massive disparity between the two. I am fairly certain that Morrigan and her god-child aspire a bit higher than becoming king of a backwater country that smells like wet dog.

I would agree, if being King of Ferelden wouldn't also entail getting an ungodly amount of Pootang, as evidenced by Maric.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Flamin Jesus wrote...
Morrigan for MOG! 
I don't know, Morrigan may not care about religion, but she sure doesn't like the Chantry, the biggest problem she has with Circle Mages for example seems to be that they are under the Chantry's heel. She probably really doesn't care if there's a Maker or if the Chantry is technically correct, but the Chantry IS the biggest source of a philosophy she abhors, and the best way to fight an organization that is based around the worship of an invisible higher power is to give people a real higher power to worship, no matter if you actually believe what you're advertising.

I think she loves freedom more than anything, thus hates all that confine that freedom. In that sense, Morrigan is the ideal Sith lol (which is why I love the character).
Perhaps having an old God to annoy the chantry is a bonus. But I think it would be very anti-climactic if she did all this, just to annoy the chantry.

[Flamin Jesus]

I'm more thinking about destroying, rather than annoying.

[FlintlockJazz]

That's presuming that the Old Gods are good or at least didn't want to get tainted. According to the lore, the Tevinter Empire under the Old Gods enslaved and sacrificed thousands of people, and brought about the Darkspawn, how do we know that they don't willingly taint themselves? Then again, alot of that is based on what the Chantry teaches so we cannot be too certain of the validity of the claims. I note that Flemeth seems to have some form of precognition, for instance telling Jorey that he's a "smart lad though sadly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things" and not long afterwards he dies in the Joining.



If we presume that Flemeth either had some form of precognition or just knew of some 'grand plan' that someone else was running, then we can assume that they wanted the Old God for some purpose that they have foreseen. The motivations for this then it could determine the course the game is headed: if it's for their own benefit then they will be trying to create some ubermonster to elevate themselves to godhood, whereas if they are trying to preserve it then they must think it's needed for something later, like to face off against some force that is behind the Darkspawn threat (whose to say the Darkspawn are not being manipulated by something else? Like maybe the Mages who got into the Golden City who were not turned into Darkspawn like it's been claimed and may in fact be pretending to be the Maker?). I doubt it will be to provide an opposing force to the Chantry, since the Maker's existence is never proven as fact whereas an Old God walking around would be, and it would be better to create another religion similar to the Old God's one without having to actually have an old god used for it, just grab someone and make them into a prophet or somesuch (then again, maybe Andraste was an Old God used for that very purpose...)

[FlintlockJazz]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I'm more thinking about destroying, rather than annoying.

So you're saying that she wants to free people by destroying their right to follow a religion?

[Vilegrim]

We are told (by the chantry) that the old gods bought about the taint. Why would they want us to think that hmmm...

[Maria Caliban]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I would agree, if being King of Ferelden wouldn't also entail getting an ungodly amount of Pootang, as evidenced by Maric.

I have it on good authority that Morrigan could get as much pootang as she desired without becoming king.

Also, I'd think that Empress of Largest-and-Most-Powerful-Nation Orlias would entail far more pootang getting power than King of Backwardsville Ferelden. And, you know, without the pesky wet dog scent.

[Vilegrim]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I'm more thinking about destroying, rather than annoying.

So you're saying that she wants to free people by destroying their right to follow a religion?

destroy the religion, not necessarily the faith, big difference.

[Flamin Jesus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I would agree, if being King of Ferelden wouldn't also entail getting an ungodly amount of Pootang, as evidenced by Maric.

I have it on good authority that Morrigan could get as much pootang as she desired without becoming king.

Also, I'd think that Empress of Largest-and-Most-Powerful-Nation Orlias would entail far more pootang getting power than King of Backwardsville Ferelden. And, you know, without the pesky wet dog scent.

Oh come on, the Barbarian Kings get way more ass than the civilized ones, that wet dog scent is just the price you have to pay for it.

Though, sure, Morrigan has the benefit of being a hot woman, for those of us born without vaginas (Maybe including our child?) however, becoming a Barbarian King is really the only option.
Well, either that or becoming gay and joining a cloister.

[Flamin Jesus]

Vilegrim wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I'm more thinking about destroying, rather than annoying.

So you're saying that she wants to free people by destroying their right to follow a religion?

destroy the religion, not necessarily the faith, big difference.

Not to mention that her idea of freeing people might not necessarily be the same as yours.
Besides, the Chantry doesn't particularly believe in the "right" of following a religion of your choice anyway, as opposed to the "duty" of following the religion of their choice. It's the organization, not the belief.

[Maria Caliban]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Well, either that or becoming gay and joining a cloister.

Even that works better for women than men in Thedas.

You know what they say, "Dans Val Royeaux les perles sont nettoyées chaque nuit."

(My apologies to the French language)

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 novembre 2009 - 03:46 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Vilegrim wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I'm more thinking about destroying, rather than annoying.

So you're saying that she wants to free people by destroying their right to follow a religion?

destroy the religion, not necessarily the faith, big difference.

But that's still removing choice, if people want to follow a religion that is their choice no?

[Taleroth]

Trying to take over a body containing the soul of an Old God destroys both souls. You just went over this before the offer to make the baby was even made. How do you miss that?

[Flamin Jesus]

In Val Royeaux the *cough* pearls get, uh, cleaned every night?



Damnit, we guys really got the short end of the sti... wait. O_o

[FlintlockJazz]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

I'm more thinking about destroying, rather than annoying.

So you're saying that she wants to free people by destroying their right to follow a religion?

destroy the religion, not necessarily the faith, big difference.

Not to mention that her idea of freeing people might not necessarily be the same as yours.
Besides, the Chantry doesn't particularly believe in the "right" of following a religion of your choice anyway, as opposed to the "duty" of following the religion of their choice. It's the organization, not the belief.

But then that belief about the chantry is a belief in itself, to be honest it just sounds like she's just as bad as the chantry, and I would have more problem with agreeing with someone who wants to enfore her view of how the world works over everyone elses, but then I feel that Morrigan is shown to be quite the hypocrite in many places, so maybe that's just yet another belief.

[Ellzedd]

Hmm..

Morrigan, Black City, Old god, God-child.

I genuinly wonder how all of this could tie together. But when i think about these things Morrigan certainly looks like a catalyst. Plus, in comparison to old gods and a black city she looks somewhat insignificant ( a mere mortal). Unless of course she can do something to become more than she is. Assuming she's human she'l be old and hagged before she can see the true fruits of her labour

Modifié par Ellzedd, 17 novembre 2009 - 03:48 .

[Flamin Jesus]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

But then that belief about the chantry is a belief in itself, to be honest it just sounds like she's just as bad as the chantry, and I would have more problem with agreeing with someone who wants to enfore her view of how the world works over everyone elses, but then I feel that Morrigan is shown to be quite the hypocrite in many places, so maybe that's just yet another belief.

I'd still much rather have the Chantry and the Old God fighting each other than everyone else.

[Lucy Glitter]

I think we need a sequel, or a book. Morrigan was one of my favourite characters, and I wanted to make her happy! I was sad when she leaveded my friendship group.

[GmanFresh]

yeah she is crazy

[Antikristine]

marshalleck wrote...

Antikristine wrote...

tkaz85 wrote...
P.S. I totally agree that Morrigan and her child would be great protagonists (or even antagonists) in DA2.

Antagonists, definitely. I could envision a setup where the player takes on the role of a legitimate child of King Alistair, and in which the threat is your illegitimate demon sibling.

Yeah...well, here's the thing. Being King of Ferelden really has nothing on being the earthly incarnation of an Old God.

Slightly massive disparity between the two. I am fairly certain that Morrigan and her god-child aspire a bit higher than becoming king of a backwater country that smells like wet dog.

Well, I suggested it as a setup. Of course it turns out Ferelden is not the actual target, but perhaps only a means to an end?