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[Flamin Jesus]

Antikristine wrote...

Well, I suggested it as a setup. Of course it turns out Ferelden is not the actual target, but perhaps only a means to an end?

To be honest, I too can hardly imagine Morrigan giving a flying fart about Ferelden or its throne, even as a diversion, it just wouldn't make any sense.

[Agni108]

The Chantry = Organized Human Religion: Judgemental, Repressive, Dogmatic, Controlling
The Old Gods = The Gods of Nature, Non-Judgemental, Non-repressive, Mysterious, Liberating

The Tevinter Mages are the one's who "corrupted" the Old Gods by trying to "control" them for their own personal benefit. The result was the Old Gods were turned into Archdemons. The Black City will likely play an important role in the expansion. It may be where the original corruptors, the orignal Tevinter mages, are holed up..they are the ultimate source of the Blight (who corrupted Nature in the first place). The God Child of Morrigan will probably have to confront and defeat them to rid the land of the Blight.

The expansion will not be about Ferelden--it will open up to the entire world, which is a much bigger stage. So forget the politics of Ferelden....it is meaningless in the end.

The expansion will probably take place after your current character is dead. The Gray Wardens have a death sentence placed upon them. They can only live for 30 years after the joining. So do not expect to be playing your old character in the expansion. Thirty years is about how long it will take for Morrigan's child to grow up and assume his power. That should be the time of the expansion. By that time, Morrigan will be old and gray. Not the beauty we know her as now.

According to the bard's tale told by Leliana, Flemeth was also supposed to be black-haired raven beauty in her youth, like Morrigan, and she first invoked a demon to get revenge on her former husband for killing her true love. The demon then possessed her. But whose to say that Flemeth didnt finally conquer her demon and "awaken" to a higher reality, thus becoming endowed with prophetic and magical powers, like a female Merlin.

By inheriting Flemeth's second Grimoire, Morrigan came into possession of all of Flemeth's knowledge, gleaned through research over the centuries. Whether Flemeth continues to guide her from somewhere in the Fade remains to be seen. But Morrigan is a powerhouse in her own right, and her power can only grow over the years. But even so, I dont think the expansion will be about her....rather, her child.

Modifié par Agni108, 17 novembre 2009 - 04:16 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

But then that belief about the chantry is a belief in itself, to be honest it just sounds like she's just as bad as the chantry, and I would have more problem with agreeing with someone who wants to enfore her view of how the world works over everyone elses, but then I feel that Morrigan is shown to be quite the hypocrite in many places, so maybe that's just yet another belief.

I'd still much rather have the Chantry and the Old God fighting each other than everyone else.

Well that's the thing, before creating yet another religion to oppress the masses except this time with the added support of an actual present god I think we need to find the answers to the following questions:

1.  Is there a Maker?  If he ain't real then creating a religion around something actually does exist can cause even longer term problems, especially if it ends up replacing the Chantry.
2.  If so, what is the Maker?  For all we know, as I mentioned earlier the mages who entered the Golden City could be the ones who created the Chantry religion, and are sat in the Black City manipulating the whole thing, controlling both the Chantry and the Darkspawn against each other for some higher purpose while Morrigan and Flemeth are mere pawns in their plans.
3.  What are the Old Gods?  Actual gods?  Or just really powerful, old and power-hungry dragons?  Were they indeed bound and if so why?  Is it really a good thing to release them?
4.  What about the Elven Gods?  I wonder if maybe they have a bigger role in all this than we think, after all they have been mentioned yet they just seem to be there in the background, is that perhaps intended?  One thought that occurs to me as I write this is that they and their enemies were sealed away into heaven and hell, sound familiar to what happened to certain Old Gods?  How many Elven Gods are there, 7?  Need to check up on that I think, either they could be the Old Gods themselves or the opponents to them, which could make the Maker the one who sealed them all up and therefore and Elven God himself.

[tkaz85]

According to the Chantry (and the opening cinematic) the mages who defiled the Golden City were cast out almost as soon as they corrupted it.

[screwoffreg]

This speculation is very interesting, and I am sure we won't have to wait too long to find out a bit about Morrigan, her child, and eventually how the whole romance line ends.  I have to agree with Wynn's in game analysis of Morrigan myself when she describes her as basically self-serving and parasitic.  Her feelings for your character (male or female, as she can become very good friends with a female) make her tragically conflicted, but not so much so that it never really seems she even considers altering her plan . I have a feeling we will most likely see Morrigan in an antagonistic role, for why otherwise would she be so insistent that no one interfere with her raising of the child?  Does she really think she can keep a father away from its child anyway (whether it was your PC or Alister)?  I think Wynn may be more right than we give her credit in that we may end up having to choose Morrigan...or the duty of your character to the Wardens and the World.  I hope Bioware satisfactorily wraps up the Morrigan story, especially the romantic/friend portion of it.  Even if that means bringing hell to the Frostback Mountains...

[Flamin Jesus]

Agni108 wrote...

The Chantry = Organized Human Religion: Judgemental, Repressive, Dogmatic, Controlling
The Old Gods = The Gods of Nature, Non-Judgemental, Non-repressive, Mysterious, Liberating

Well, that's a bit dishonest, both the Chantry as well as the Old Gods have their good and bad sides, it's not just "Old Gods = good, Chantry = bad", you're mixing up the Chantry and Christianity here.
And you're mixing up the Old Gods and some surreal moon-goddess ideal.

The Tevinter Mages are the one's who "corrupted" the Old Gods by trying to "control" them for their own personal benefit.

There is absolutely no smidgen of lore that supports that idea, the Old Gods were either trapped by a trickster god or by the Maker, depending on what mythology you follow. And one way or the other, the Magisters learned Blood Magic from the Old Gods, but they never controlled them.

The result was the Old Gods were turned into Archdemons.

The Old Gods are turned into Archdemons by being corrupted by the Darkspawn who dig them out, as of now there should still be 2 completely uncorrupted, but unawakened Old Gods.

The Black City will likely play an important role in the expansion. It may be where the original corruptors, the orignal Tevinter mages, are holed up..

Only they aren't, they were the first of the Darkspawn, if they are still alive somewhere they are underground.


Did you even read any Codex entries? 

[Maria Caliban]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

In Val Royeaux the *cough* pearls get, uh, cleaned every night?

Damnit, we guys really got the short end of the sti... wait. O_o

That's what I've heard. Never been there myself.

[Flamin Jesus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

In Val Royeaux the *cough* pearls get, uh, cleaned every night?

Damnit, we guys really got the short end of the sti... wait. O_o

That's what I've heard. Never been there myself.

Sounds like a good place to have a video camera with a night vision function.

[Alynna_tp]

This story does set up a lot of interesting pathways into the future. Morrigan does tell you when you ask about the child that "some things are worth preserving." It may be that she is telling the truth, and that she wants to raise the child herself to preserve the essence of the old god inside the child.



I always thought the idea that darkspawn come from the taint created when the Tevinter Imperium invaded the Golden City would mean that in a future expansion, the ultimate goal would be to travel to the city and cleanse the taint for good. Maybe this god child will be one of the ones to do so.



The religious aspects raise so many questions. Is the Maker as wonderful as the Chantry advertises? Will He allow the god child to get near the Black City now if He is the one who cast the old gods out of the city into the depths of the earth?



In the end of the game the demons hint that there is no Maker, and that Otto is a fool for believing there is. Lies? Truth? All interesting to contemplate for sure.

[Setz69]

In all honesty, Morrigan is NOT Flemeth. The character dialogue itself shows this. Where flemeth is cold and to the point (and she tried to raise morrigan this way) there are times when Morrigans emotions shine through (When she talks about never having a friend but you are one, etc etc.) I believe that the grimiore showed not only that flemeth possessed her daughters body (because something was definitly fishy with the flemeth convo. But she was being arrogant and difficult so she died ), but also what she was going to do with the child. Morrigan choose to have her killed and raise the child herself instead of following flemeths plan. In the end when you choose your party Morrigan seems very emotional when she tells you that no matter what she's leaving.



As for what SHE plans to do with the god? Im not sure. But she IS very anti-maker, so perhaps she is trying to raise the old gods again. I doubt she would or even COULD take over the old gods body. It is a god here, and from what I've seen of Morrigans power I doubt she could overcome a god.

[remotay]

There's a 116 page thread on Morrigan and the last scene in the game on the old Dragon Age Origins Forums. I Think it should be 'moved' here to further discuss it.