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[Sen4lifE]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

My "hero of ferelden" was a kniving, backstabbing, lying, cheating, opportunistic, muderous, vengeful, thieving **** and or whor* . She in fact was also a blood mage lol, that adventure playthrough was definatly "a one of a kind" experience.hehe . All that said , she was in fact damn powerful. Now to my current mage in 2. very good attacks. but unfortunatly my "warden" could honestly talk her out of the equipment she was wearing. Trick her (hawke) into turning her back on her (for whatever reason) then stab her square in the back with her arcane warrior sword ( yes she had one ) then more than likely look around see the nearest templar, run over to them and make up some bs story about how a blood mage killed the champion ( mind you the warden still has the bloody sword in her hand )and utterly convince the templar that a blood mage is on the lose. The templars then get an entire calvalry and go after said blood mage. The warden just cracks a smile to herself and goes about her business .

In short My "female hawke" mage wouldnt stand a chance against my "female grey warden " mage.

here is the number one reason ..
22 points allocated to cunning score --plus--
Maxed out ranks in persuasion = biggest silver tongued bullsquatter on fereldon.

With that setup I may have failed one persuasion attempt in the game. lmao.

I was Rogue and through abilities my cunning was my strength so by the time I was done it was over 50 or 60.  Only persuasion check I EVER failed was with the riot on Awakening on the second persuasion check (it's impossible to pass two checks on this, even with 500 cunning)

[Monsteroids]

Mine are both really nice people and would resolve their conflict peacefully and likely buy lots of cake and eat delicious cake with all of their companions.

[Chaos_1001]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

My "hero of ferelden" was a kniving, backstabbing, lying, cheating, opportunistic, muderous, vengeful, thieving **** and or whor* . She in fact was also a blood mage lol, that adventure playthrough was definatly "a one of a kind" experience.hehe . All that said , she was in fact damn powerful. Now to my current mage in 2. very good attacks. but unfortunatly my "warden" could honestly talk her out of the equipment she was wearing. Trick her (hawke) into turning her back on her (for whatever reason) then stab her square in the back with her arcane warrior sword ( yes she had one ) then more than likely look around see the nearest templar, run over to them and make up some bs story about how a blood mage killed the champion ( mind you the warden still has the bloody sword in her hand )and utterly convince the templar that a blood mage is on the lose. The templars then get an entire calvalry and go after said blood mage. The warden just cracks a smile to herself and goes about her business .

In short My "female hawke" mage wouldnt stand a chance against my "female grey warden " mage.

here is the number one reason ..
22 points allocated to cunning score --plus--
Maxed out ranks in persuasion = biggest silver tongued bullsquatter on fereldon.

With that setup I may have failed one persuasion attempt in the game. lmao.

I was Rogue and through abilities my cunning was my strength so by the time I was done it was over 50 or 60.  Only persuasion check I EVER failed was with the riot on Awakening on the second persuasion check (it's impossible to pass two checks on this, even with 500 cunning)

Very nice

[cindercatz]

In my first continuity, my dual wielding duelist assassin shadow rogue city elf femWarden would kick my two handed reaver warrior maleHawke's tail all the way back to Ostagar, no question.

[Sen4lifE]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

My "hero of ferelden" was a kniving, backstabbing, lying, cheating, opportunistic, muderous, vengeful, thieving **** and or whor* . She in fact was also a blood mage lol, that adventure playthrough was definatly "a one of a kind" experience.hehe . All that said , she was in fact damn powerful. Now to my current mage in 2. very good attacks. but unfortunatly my "warden" could honestly talk her out of the equipment she was wearing. Trick her (hawke) into turning her back on her (for whatever reason) then stab her square in the back with her arcane warrior sword ( yes she had one ) then more than likely look around see the nearest templar, run over to them and make up some bs story about how a blood mage killed the champion ( mind you the warden still has the bloody sword in her hand )and utterly convince the templar that a blood mage is on the lose. The templars then get an entire calvalry and go after said blood mage. The warden just cracks a smile to herself and goes about her business .

In short My "female hawke" mage wouldnt stand a chance against my "female grey warden " mage.

here is the number one reason ..
22 points allocated to cunning score --plus--
Maxed out ranks in persuasion = biggest silver tongued bullsquatter on fereldon.

With that setup I may have failed one persuasion attempt in the game. lmao.

I was Rogue and through abilities my cunning was my strength so by the time I was done it was over 50 or 60.  Only persuasion check I EVER failed was with the riot on Awakening on the second persuasion check (it's impossible to pass two checks on this, even with 500 cunning)

Very nice

It is.  I've always favored persuasion checks in RPGs.  Though, in all honestly, not having to waste points to make it usable is nice.  I like ME's and DA2's system better (as in it builds by how you act or it just isn't really there at all.)

[cindercatz]

I miss persuasion and still pump points into cunning for my Hawke, but I do much prefer just getting my companions involved at every opportunity.

[Sen4lifE]

cindercatz wrote...

I miss persuasion and still pump points into cunning for my Hawke, but I do much prefer just getting my companions involved at every opportunity.

Yeah, I thought using your companions was a real interesting trade off to [Persuade] .....

[Loc'n'lol]

Thedas would explode due to the sheer awesome. That's what would happen.

[Sen4lifE]

I'd steal Hawke's estate after I killed him. xD

[sonsonthebia07]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Stopping you at the second paragraph: And then she went dragon on The Warden, and when he got back to camp, he realized how imitation Dragon Meat was actually about as good as the real thing.

And, the army was slaughtered by the archdemon. If you notice in the cutscene where you use your butterknife to cut a slice of the Archdemon, there is no army around, they are all down in the city.  The Arishok would cry at the sight of The Warden.



Warden > Hawke

She didn't go dragon on the warden until much later on through his/her travels, after he/she had experienced much more. I was just comparing the first meeting since you said Hawke basically pissed himself when he met her.

And the warden wouldn't have been doing that because, surprise, Flemeth didn't die, retcon or not. She was just toying with the warden, I'm thinking.

But yeah you're right that there isn't an army around during the cutscene, but without the army the warden would never have gotten into the city to reach the archdemon in the first place (yes I know you can defy this logic completely by never summoning any reinforcements), and also directly before that cutscene it's possible that the archdemon will indeed still be engaging members of an army.

The arishok would still be a much more formidable solo combatant than Loghain.

But I do agree with you that the warden would probably win in the end like I said.

[kedcoleman]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Stopping you at the second paragraph: And then she went dragon on The Warden, and when he got back to camp, he realized how imitation Dragon Meat was actually about as good as the real thing.

And, the army was slaughtered by the archdemon. If you notice in the cutscene where you use your butterknife to cut a slice of the Archdemon, there is no army around, they are all down in the city.  The Arishok would cry at the sight of The Warden.



Warden > Hawke

The problem with those videos is that the Warden really does **** all in that fight.  He kills a few hurlocks, maybe the emissary, but when the dragon shows up all he does is stare it down while Sten, Leliana and Morrigan trash the beast.  Hawke curbstomps a badass Qunari arishok.  Maybe not on par with a high dragon, but he does the fighting at least.

[elearon1]

My primary Hawke and Warden would kick back at the Hanged Man with Isabela, Leliana, Zevran and Varric, have a few beers and share war stories while plotting their next big heist; we'd also laugh at Alistair and flick peanuts in his direction for being such a downer.

Modifié par elearon1, 24 mars 2011 - 02:33 .

[Maderek]

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[Sen4lifE]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Stopping you at the second paragraph: And then she went dragon on The Warden, and when he got back to camp, he realized how imitation Dragon Meat was actually about as good as the real thing.

And, the army was slaughtered by the archdemon. If you notice in the cutscene where you use your butterknife to cut a slice of the Archdemon, there is no army around, they are all down in the city.  The Arishok would cry at the sight of The Warden.



Warden > Hawke

She didn't go dragon on the warden until much later on through his/her travels, after he/she had experienced much more. I was just comparing the first meeting since you said Hawke basically pissed himself when he met her.

And the warden wouldn't have been doing that because, surprise, Flemeth didn't die, retcon or not. She was just toying with the warden, I'm thinking.

But yeah you're right that there isn't an army around during the cutscene, but without the army the warden would never have gotten into the city to reach the archdemon in the first place (yes I know you can defy this logic completely by never summoning any reinforcements), and also directly before that cutscene it's possible that the archdemon will indeed still be engaging members of an army.

The arishok would still be a much more formidable solo combatant than Loghain.

But I do agree with you that the warden would probably win in the end like I said.

No, she died.  Morrigan told you she knew Flemeth would find a way to come back.  Did you even talk to Morrigan or pay attention?

When you do the amulet quest, Flemeth explains that she is a copy, basically a second Flemeth, and hints that her daughter probably already had her killed, which, she did (unless you didn't do it).

It's not a retcon, why do people keep throwing that word around, does anyone even know what it means?  It's not a retcon because it was explained in Dragon Age: Origins that she would more than likely return even if the Warden killed her, you'd just weaken her or get rid of her for a while to give Morrigan time to become stronger.  Which you did, you gave her about a year or two.  By that time, Morrigan could have her son and was almost to the point of where she went through the portal (Witch Hunt).



And, my Warden never faught Loghain.  I gave Alistar the honor.  Also, I don't disagree that it'd be a hell of a fight.  But the Warden would win.  Hawke saved a city, The Warden saved the world.  Even if Hawke has cool roundhouse kick-like animations, who do you think the BioWare writers would let live? 

And, speaking game-play wise, Hawke would get the -100% attack speed bug.  Now where is his cool fighting animation?  -100% Damage Resistance and The Warden might as well play wack-a-mole.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 24 mars 2011 - 02:34 .

[sonsonthebia07]

I said it was a retcon just to see your reaction.

She said she could be in two places at once, I don't know if that means it is a copy or not.

And yeah Hawke would definitely be bogged down with bugs. Damn Isabela passing around those STBs (sorry).

[HyperLimited]

Hawke. His faster and over the top attacks would roflpwn the "stand and poke" fighting skills of the Warden... 

[Sen4lifE]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

I said it was a retcon just to see your reaction.

She said she could be in two places at once, I don't know if that means it is a copy or not.

And yeah Hawke would definitely be bogged down with bugs. Damn Isabela passing around those STBs (sorry).

You have no idea how many people in this forum (suddenly in the past few days) have been repeating the word "retcon" on every thread, most of them not even actually knowing what retroactive continuity is.

It doesn't really matter, because she can't be in two places at once.  The Warden made sure of it. xD

[RohanD]

If "Hawke" and MY Warden dueled....Hawke would be DOA.

[backrow]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Warden. He/she is nigh unkillable and if all else fails can use the PERSUADE to convince Hawke not to fight.

Hawke on the other hand has no such advantages.

exactly, and after Awakening, well, it really felt like my warden was undestructable. and that was on NM as opposed to my H Hawke 

[naughty99]

I just posted something similar in the General forum and then saw this thread - OOPS
/ninja'd

I don't think DAO characters ever got very high HP, right?

I imagine a DW rogue Hawke could take down the Grey Warden in one blow. He would have to, otherwise the Warden would just keep drinking all those 100s of cheap health potions he carries around.

Modifié par naughty99, 24 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[Chaos_1001]

Sen4lifE wrote...

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Stopping you at the second paragraph: And then she went dragon on The Warden, and when he got back to camp, he realized how imitation Dragon Meat was actually about as good as the real thing.

And, the army was slaughtered by the archdemon. If you notice in the cutscene where you use your butterknife to cut a slice of the Archdemon, there is no army around, they are all down in the city.  The Arishok would cry at the sight of The Warden.



Warden > Hawke

She didn't go dragon on the warden until much later on through his/her travels, after he/she had experienced much more. I was just comparing the first meeting since you said Hawke basically pissed himself when he met her.

And the warden wouldn't have been doing that because, surprise, Flemeth didn't die, retcon or not. She was just toying with the warden, I'm thinking.

But yeah you're right that there isn't an army around during the cutscene, but without the army the warden would never have gotten into the city to reach the archdemon in the first place (yes I know you can defy this logic completely by never summoning any reinforcements), and also directly before that cutscene it's possible that the archdemon will indeed still be engaging members of an army.

The arishok would still be a much more formidable solo combatant than Loghain.

But I do agree with you that the warden would probably win in the end like I said.

No, she died.  Morrigan told you she knew Flemeth would find a way to come back.  Did you even talk to Morrigan or pay attention?

When you do the amulet quest, Flemeth explains that she is a copy, basically a second Flemeth, and hints that her daughter probably already had her killed, which, she did (unless you didn't do it).

It's not a retcon, why do people keep throwing that word around, does anyone even know what it means?  It's not a retcon because it was explained in Dragon Age: Origins that she would more than likely return even if the Warden killed her, you'd just weaken her or get rid of her for a while to give Morrigan time to become stronger.  Which you did, you gave her about a year or two.  By that time, Morrigan could have her son and was almost to the point of where she went through the portal (Witch Hunt).



And, my Warden never faught Loghain.  I gave Alistar the honor.  Also, I don't disagree that it'd be a hell of a fight.  But the Warden would win.  Hawke saved a city, The Warden saved the world.  Even if Hawke has cool roundhouse kick-like animations, who do you think the BioWare writers would let live? 

And, speaking game-play wise, Hawke would get the -100% attack speed bug.  Now where is his cool fighting animation?  -100% Damage Resistance and The Warden might as well play wack-a-mole.

LOL I absolutly loved this comparison between the warden's actions and that of hawke. On that front alone, there is no comparison. I my personal scenario, if in fact anyone besides yourself , actually read it I gave a detailed scenario in which the warden basically owned hawke.

As for flemeth, you are dead spot-on accurate. Being a copy ( which she was) flemeth continued her existance. Through a "teleportion / summoning ritual" (which eludes to a future magic type ) a part of her essence as it were was brought far far away from fereldon but more importantly , Morrigan.

As to my female mage warden's playthrough escapades, here is a couple of highlights :

I went in with the mindset from the start to royaly stick it to alistair very hard. ( completly hate that character, but personal choice) He was in my party long enough to to a massive 4k damage the entire campaign. I killed Wynne even before she joined the party over a disagreement with Morrigan. I at the time romanced Leiliana, so i made sure she wasnt in the party when I destroyed the urn of sacred ashes. she did in fact confront my character over this in camp. My character re-assured ( lied my butt off ) her that everything was just fine. and she bought it hook line and sinker. lol. I did the same thing to shale I saved the anvil , killed carrigan and similarly lied my butt off  with similar results. the real fun part though was in fact the landsmeet. I maxed out alistair's affections without using romance ( that was tricky) then set up the lansmeet to completly go in my favor. I then won hands down. Loghain challenged me , i dueled him , beat him handily, then ..... agreed to make him a grey warden. I then completly sided with anora when alistair was outraged at my character's betrayal. Alistair at that point was going to take the throne to get at loghain. I then ( this is beautiful ) suggested alistair be removed as it were from the picture. Anora takes it a step further and orders his (alistair ) executution !

I lol'd in real life for what must have been 20 min solid. I love Origins that as fantastic.