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[Lady Danger]

No, I think you're projecting.

[DrFumb1ezX]

So, if I supported the mages, I supported AL-Queda? :blink:
Terrible, terrible analogies you got going there, man.
And you can't spell "analogies" without anal.


But in all seriousness, I'm more intrigued with the whole political story going on in the first place. Full rights, some rights or no rights? This is a question that will be argued until the end of time. Or until people forget about it. I can never remember which is which. <_<

[Brawne]

Imagine what would happen if part of population would suddenly develop telepatic powers. I can very well see exactly same confrontation developing in modern day world.
And who says that this will not be our future, it could very well happen to us since humans are not the end-product of evolution.

[Eromenos]

It seemed to touch upon many combinations of oppressive brutalities and the backlash they always engender.

 

Personally, it felt like the American gay experience in ways that remind me of how I connected with X-Men. A subjective minority treated with undue suspicions and hostility, branded guilty until proven innocent, scapegoats for all the "wrongs" in mainstream society. We see lives being made into less because of self-serving organized-religious fears categorizing people just breathing as doom that brings the sky crashing down onto the "good folk." Actually, not all of us see the unjust byplay in DA2 in that way, but I saw and felt it.

 

In that sense I think the mages vs templars idea worked well, depending on what ideological issues are at
the forefront of our minds. One doesn't even have to be an outright practicing terrorist to become treated as a terrorist by default. Someone who desires freedom to feel alive in his or her own body in a culture that prescribes BS restrictions on everyone's sexuality is a person who is the "worst" kind of disruptive element, slandered as being worse than terrorists.

 

Regarding implementation in DA2, I'd say the conflict was ultimately successful but only after we meet Meredith and Orsino. Considering what we did get, I would've preferred beaten beaten on the head about where it was building up to, by those two, from the start. Need more iconic people actually worth dealing with, please. Fewer disposable nobodies and alley-fights inside slums, thank you. Or caves for that matter. Mechanical, repetitious, asinine locales...I include the entirety of Hawke's family in this regard. It didn't feel like a RPG, it felt like a script that ultimately proved to allow for nil variances in the big picture. Where was the role-playing? FFS, the thing started from the end anyway, with the actual "ending" itself being pathetic considering the work it takes to get to something that doesn't change no matter how we play it. It would've been better to actually clue us in fairly early on the outcome (the mages erupt together in anger) so that Hawke fits himself/herself into something that is too big for Hawke to affect. Oops, tangent.

Anyway, I liken the few parts that did work in the main struggle as effective storytelling. But only those parts.

Modifié par Eromenos, 20 mars 2011 - 01:57 .

[nicethugbert]

I thought it was a bit too dark to be a satire although there are satirical or otherwise comedic elements in it. But, I played the "helpful or particularly nice" and agreeable, tactful position" almost exclusively. I used "speak or act aggresively" only once that I remember. So, that may have something to do with it.

Also, I don't think it's particularly focused on War on Terror or LGBT oppression. I think it's more general than that. It may seen to focus on War on Terror or LGBT struggle because that is current and familiar. But, otherwise, it's a story on oppression in general, I think.

Although, I was reminded of Monty Python or James Bond at times.  I guess that's expected if you play a male rogue with a British accent and choose non-aggressive replies almost exclusively.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 20 mars 2011 - 04:03 .

[thegreateski]

There's a connection. Not a satire.

[JLFL]

I think your looking far too much into it. I feel like people always over analyze things or look for meanings that aren't really there in literature, media, etc. Maybe that was the personal connection you recieved from it ,but I do not think it was the intentions of the developers.

[Capeo]

The game certainly plays on more interesting ethical ideas than DAO; ideas of the best way to deal with oppression as the oppressed and also at what point do we curtail something simply because it may be potentially dangerous to society. That's why I found the story more interesting than DAO. As far as being directly influenced by the "war on terror"? That's part of the western zeitgeist. The game involves a straight up "terrorist" bombing meant to incite sectarian violence. The influences are pretty clear. It's also far from black and white which is refreshing.

[Silveryne]

It's not a satire at all; please google "define: satire". "A Modest Proposal", about eating the babies of the Irish to solve the problem of poor Irish in the United Kingdom, was satire. If this game was a satirical comment on the war of terror (which it wouldn't be -- the mage/templar conflict is fundamentally different than the "War on Terror" conflict) it wouldn't be half as dark as it is. There is no layer of humor that shows wrong to find in some of the horrors and extremes that happen in the game.

[WhiteKnyght]

jweath wrote...

Is it just me. It seems like they have taken the most exterme conversative and liberal views and put them to life. The mages take the place of Muslims and the Templars are the US response with some national socialism mixed in (the most exterme accussation of the liberals concerning the war on terror). The whole change is coming thing sounded like an Obama speech. It seems the game paints the law and order conservatives as National Socialists and the Muslims are all terrorist just waiting for their chance like Orisno who suddenly unexplainable becomes a blood mage abomination (terrorist) for no reason. It is like every left and right wingnut conspiracy came to life.

I would say its more like the Anti-Mutant sentiment from X-Men. The whole hunting, registering, imprisoning.

Mages = Mutants

Templars = Sentinels

Chantry = Mutant Registration Department

Circle of Magi = Loosely similar to Xavier Institute.

- The fact that any child can be born with magic, same as the X-Gene, and they show signs at a certain age. And people are suspicious and bigoted against them believing they are too dangeous to be allowed to roam free. And how people know a war will eventually happen.