I missed page 100? Damn, I was going to suggest everyone take their belts off in honor of the event. Oh well, I'm going to ****** Barrel tonight, so I'll order waffles in honor of it.
I like Sebastian. I like Anders. However, not the in same playthrough. Which is odd, because this is only time in a Bioware game I was really torn between LIs ('Thane vs Garrus' was close, but those guys are at least
nice to each other). So I'm not really a fan of cutting Anders to boost Sebastian or vice versa. However, this is the Sebastian thread.
leggywillow wrote...
TeenZombie wrote...
Merrill and Fenris will attempt to kill Hawke if you side with the "wrong" faction at the end and don't have enough friendship/rivalry to keep them on your side. Why is Sebastian's refusal to continue working with someone who just murdered his surrogate mother and spiritual mentor (not to mention any of the other innocent Chantry members who were just murdered, or anyone else on the street who was killed by the explosion) more inexcusable than Merrill outright attacking if you side with the Templars and haven't gotten her friendship/rivalry score up?
Basically, I don't appreciate Sebastian forcing Hawke to do it. If it's truly something he felt strongly about (and who wouldn't?) then why doesn't he try to do it himself? It would be a simple dialogue option that said "You do it, then." He wouldn't do it unless you picked that option, obviously, to keep players from getting upset about it. Bam. That's it. It's the same reason why Loghain very rarely survives in my Origins playthroughs: because Alistair is entirely willing to do it himself...Basically, I just don't appreciate Hawke having to do it. Some of my Hawkes wouldn't care, but it would be nice to see Sebastian take the damn initiative if it's something that's so important to him. I certainly understand why he wants Anders dead. That's why I resent him more for "standing up" for his beliefs here than other companions. The other companions stand up to Hawke by doing something: they are willing to fight for it. If Fenris wants someone dead (Hadriana, Danarius, Varania), he will do it himself. He doesn't order Hawke to do it and then stomp off when she refuses to place more blood on her hands. (Again, depends how you RP your Hawke. Mine kill when people leave them no other choice.)
I don't know how I feel about the Anders death/spare scene in general, because I just rewatched the video where Sebastian's DLC is not installed:
www.youtube.com/watchEven with Sebastian not present, I am still not a fan of this scene. Maybe it's because Loghain's death was done better, or because I feel like Hawke should at least be
facing the man she's giving a knife to. Heck, Duncan gave that courtesey to Jory. Make killing Anders a big turning point in the game? Fine, but heck, some Hawkes might give him a little more dignity than what we saw. Some Hawkes are really giving Anders a mercy kill, some are putting down a rabid dog.
Compare to this one, where Sebastian is...rivaled?
www.youtube.com/watch"You're the one that taught me that it is the ends that matter, not the steps you take to get there." I never got this dialogue, but I never had a rival Sebstian and a living Anders...so this is a new combo for me. (Sebastian, I had no idea you were actually listening to me that carefully!) Strangely, this second clip reminds me of the Garrus loyalty mission in ME2. I believe if you went 'renegade' in ME1 but more 'paragon' in ME2 Garrus calls you out on exactly this. He wants revenge on Sidonis, but Shep can stop that. And I would argue that the Sidonis mission is one of the best in ME2.
While similar, Garrus and Sebastian do end up the exact
opposite from each other after these turning points. A Shep that spares Sidonis (bonus points if you killed the doctor in ME1) forces a normally
very driven Garrus to stop for a moment and think about the shades of grey.
A Hawke that spares Anders forces a normally waffling Sebastian to stop for a moment, abandon all shades of grey, and drive himself towards one path.
So...in short...I'm not a fan a scene, but not because of Sebastian.
I also understand that Sebastian isn't really the type to be willing to execute a man who shows no signs of fighting back. I could see him pull out his bow to attempt to execute Anders and then say "....I can't do this, crap." Killing someone in battle who is flying at you with a sword is different than sticking a knife or arrow in the back of a man sitting quietly waiting for his death. That's why I think if that's his excuse for not doing it himself, then getting furious at Hawke for not wanting to do it for the same reason is really ****ty. Again, my opinion could change if future DLC addresses this point specifically, since I also understand that in the heat of the moment Seb may not be thinking rationally. Well, my opinion as the gamer may change: Hawke still isn't going to forgive him for putting her in that position. It kinda reminds me of Ned Stark and his refusal to use a headsman. If you're going to condemn a man to death, you should be willing to carry out the act yourself.
I've only read the books but I'm buying the DVD as soon as it comes out...but I assume Sean Bean doesn't just stab the guy in the back with his steak knife, right?
From a gameplay/story standpoint...Fenris, Aveline, and Merril will all leave you during this scene as well. Because, let's face it, those three are somewhat polar when it comes to mages and templars. Sebastian, however, is a little more grey in that area. If killing Anders was not a factor in any final choice before siding with templars or mages, those three will still balk, whereas Sebstian and Varric would just shrug their shoulders and whip out their weapons. At let's face it, Varric is the only one that really
needs to stay with Hawke till the end. So, for the sake of the story, it might be better to give Sebastian some reason to leave as well, since he really shouldn't be on equal footing with the Narrator. So I can understand why letting Anders live or die could be the snapping point for a character that otherwise doesn't really object to things.
Heck, I did say earlier that Sebastian's vice is indecision. If anything, this is the 'moment of truth' for his character. I should be happier.
However...I had forgotten until rewatching the videos that cuttings Anders loose is an option as well. Doing more with that option could have made people a little less..."Sebby the Waffle versus Anders the Bomber". Letting Anders walk gives a
lot of people an option to take a hit at Anders. Because at that point Hawke is throwing her hands up at the air and leaving the matter to someone else. Sebastian is an obvious choice, but hey, Fenris would be almost as dramatic as a choice. For
years the two of them have been going at it...for people who are more interested in their relationship and not Sebastian's...this could be very appealing. Heck, send Cullen after him.
So come, Sebastian and Anders fans, don't hate. One is a Twix bar, one is a York peppermint. Or, follow the example of this Hawke:
www.youtube.com/watchA male harem. Nice.
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