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[Xilizhra]

I wish they would have left the banter about turning in Anders & Merrill out completely. It was, I think, totally OOC for him to say, especially like that. Fenris' response also seemed OOC--I'd have expected him to be right on board, considering how much he hates Anders and Merrill. I also wish the writers hadn't fallen asleep when scripting the bit with Anders. That was a HUGE missed opportunity, IMO. Hawke should have been able to defer to Sebastian, just like you could defer to Fenris and his Fist of DOOM in other situations. I would have loved it if Sebastian could have put an arrow between Anders' eyes while muttering something from the Chant. It would have set up a nice transition from Chantry Brother to Prince quite nicely if done right.

I think the difference here is that Fenris, whatever else he is, is loyal to Hawke. By Act 3, if Hawke's done his personal quests (which you have to if he's still in your party), she's at the very least helped him kill Hadriana, and has given him shelter for quite some time. In a way, Fenris needs Hawke, whereas Sebastian does not and possesses more flexible loyalties, as well as a fondness for Chantry doctrine that Fenris doesn't really have; his issues with mages are personal, not religious.

[CuriousArtemis]

^ Wow, good break down of their characters; I agree completely

[Catia]

I don't mean to start a Fenris v. Sebastian loyalty battle, and definitely not a Chantry debate. I'm sorry if you saw it as such. My position that the banter is OOC for both characters has nothing to do with any perceived loyalties with regards to Hawke. Fenris' personal hatred towards Anders and Merrill and overall attitude towards mages throughout the game starkly contrasted with his reaction here. His reaction is completely detached from his established attitudes. Sebastian's willingness to go behind Hawke's back to do this is in contrast with his overall way of dealing with things throughout. He's the only one that doesn't resort to some sort of shadiness/trickery in order to get Hawke to help him with his quests. That's why I feel the banter is so oddly placed and OOC, nothing more.

[esper]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

And I return once again to a thread long since deserted, to throw out a question in the hopes of starting a debate so that I might stream-roll people with inanely large sums of text.

Sebastian Vael "betrays" Hawke, if they fail to kill Anders. What are your opinions on Sebastian's "betrayal"? Be as brutal as you like, I certainly won't mind.

Additional questions include:
What do you believe his mind-set is at the time?
What do you believe the future actually has in store for Sebastian?
What do you *hope* the future has in store for Sebastian?

If there are any responses in the morning, I'll be more than happy to throw in my few coppers. Heck, if there are no responses I'll probably write a wall of text anyway, but for now I'll just leave the questions and sleep before I keel over and die.

I don't think of it as betryal. He had to go. How could he stay in the same groups as Anders after that? At the time of the words, he is clearly enraged and hurt and that is also why I forgive him as a characther for the burn Kirkwall down line. He will never do that. Sebastian is a good natured person and once he has calmed down, I believe he will realize that Hawke and Anders are no longer in Kirkwall. (At least in my case). As I see it my Hawke and Sebastian are two people who started working together out of sheer coincidence and the will to protect people (act 2) and by act 3 the people each of them wished to protect was simply not the same anymore.  

As for the future with the expansion cancelled, I don't know. I had hoped for a final confrontation between Hawke and Sebastian, but now I don't know.

And then there is that banter. I don't think that Fenris or Sebastian is out of characther, because as much as Fenris absolutely loathe Anders and Merrill there are no doubt in my in my mind that he respect Hawkee. Basically Fenris know that such decision are solely made by Hawke as it is Hawke's group and he also know my Hawke well enough to know that she would never allow it. As I see it, Fenris know that the prize for staying in the group is to put up with Anders and Merril.
I do think that it should have been followed up with a convo where Sebastian actually confront Hawke with his worries, though. I also think that it that specific banter should not turn on when Hawke are a mage. As she sees it, that banter is the real moment where Sebastian betrays her.

[KefkaGestahl]

With Sebastian not being mentioned at the ending, will the romance with him even be flagged for any sort of reference in Dragon Age III? I don't know why they couldn't have had Varric say something like he does with the other romance options.

Edit:

Another question, perhaps.  I just played through Legacy but never got the dialogue between Sebastian and Carver.  Does that only happen if your sibling joins the Grey Wardens?  I chose to have Carver join the Templars.  I was hoping to use that dialogue as confirmation that the romance is valid, but I wasn't able to get it.

Modifié par KefkaGestahl, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .

[Ellyria]

KefkaGestahl wrote...

With Sebastian not being mentioned at the ending, will the romance with him even be flagged for any sort of reference in Dragon Age III? I don't know why they couldn't have had Varric say something like he does with the other romance options.

As far as I know, there's a flag for the Friendmance but not the Rivalmance.

Apparently Varric did say something, but it got cut. Here.

*Obligatory sadness at Exalted March getting cut. I wanted to see Starkhaven and Tantervale, and finish Seb's story* 

[MoMan313]

Yo dooooddsssss

I have something to ask...

if... any of you all are still responding to this thread here...

Ya know how the chantry went "boom", and If I went with the friendmance thing...
Where does he go if the current chantry just went "boom" on him?

Does it have the likely hood that he will return to starkhaven then? >_> Cus, I love the friendmance but hate thinking I would be a nun.... just.. to.. be with him...

My fanon with him is like, chantry blows up, My Areya hawke convinces him to go take back starkhaven 'cus the march is coming... All because he has no chantry and elthina to return to

That's kinda why I ask, it would assume likely yes?

Or would he stay and try to rebuild the chantry?
or.. something..

Yeuach the whole thing is just a mess... and I BLAME YOU EFING ANDERS!

Also on the side note...
I have liittttttlllee faith of sebastian being mentioned at all in the next game.. as well with hawke ¬¬ I just have little faith after they pulled the plug on the DA2 expansion pack.

[MoMan313]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

And I return once again to a thread long since deserted, to throw out a question in the hopes of starting a debate so that I might stream-roll people with inanely large sums of text.

Sebastian Vael "betrays" Hawke, if they fail to kill Anders. What are your opinions on Sebastian's "betrayal"? Be as brutal as you like, I certainly won't mind.

Additional questions include:
What do you believe his mind-set is at the time?
What do you believe the future actually has in store for Sebastian?
What do you *hope* the future has in store for Sebastian?

If there are any responses in the morning, I'll be more than happy to throw in my few coppers. Heck, if there are no responses I'll probably write a wall of text anyway, but for now I'll just leave the questions and sleep before I keel over and die.

His mind set? 
A waffling wallower. That's what. He's being blown around again... PAH. and the wind is getting more lucky than this desperate hawke. ;A;

THE WIND GOT A CHANCE BUT WHY NOT MEEE? Don't you WUB ME SEB?!

He's.. well... probably not going to do anything.. Because he's had a decade's worth to gain allies yet he sits on his chantry ass all day praying.

Which is all good and all, I'm just as religious as him in some respects xD
But COME ON. YA GOTTA ACT SEB. Gather. ALLIES. Take back city.. ITS YOUR DUTY. I DECIEVE you not!

As for what is to come ¬¬ Due to the amount of hatred for... a character who is vocally religious... I don't see much future in him for DA3. Heavens be, we didn't even get a "he'll stay by your side" in the romance... Which I know I know, I was the first to spot the sound bite of varric saying that... BUT STILL.

But.. there.. might be a mention of him when your gathering allies throughout thedas in DA3, I really do see him in DA3 calling on the side of repairing the mirror freaking anders broke.


My hope? oh mercy in heavens.. you, well. Don't get me started.

...

Taking back starkhaven with just hawke and sebby~

For pities sake we've killed at least 10,000's ON OUR OWN. I THINK I handle an army or whatever the **** comes our way. BRING IT ON!!!!

WAHAHA Having him side with the mage freedommm yyeess!!! While my hawke which is now a Vael, rule by his side.

And having a lot of little kidsssssss

Which, I already have their characters ruled out and whose going to the chantry and whose going to rule when We pass >;3<3

Where she more Rules while he just kicks back and plays the loyal chior boy

Modifié par MoMan313, 19 janvier 2013 - 06:05 .

[Knight of Dane]

I bet Sebastian fans love this video

[anmale89]

I still like Sebastian despite not being who I expected. Developers just didn't have enough time to make more of him in the game. If he's returing in DA3, then I hope he'll be written as a better and more complex character, someone I could like.

[Fiery Knight]

That's the problem with DLC characters. If they are important to the plot, people complain. And so the "better" choice is to make them not so important. Ugh, I hope Sebastian is in DA3, and I think he will, with BW stating that the Exalter March that was planned for DA2 will be in DA3.

[Ellyria]

Hawke_12 wrote...

That's the problem with DLC characters. If they are important to the plot, people complain. And so the "better" choice is to make them not so important. Ugh, I hope Sebastian is in DA3, and I think he will, with BW stating that the Exalter March that was planned for DA2 will be in DA3.

Orly?

If he is, I'd like some resolution with my Hawke/Sebastian romance and please don't have him be a full party member. Temporary? Sure. Permanent? Noooooo.

[diosprometheus]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

Sebastian's story is not finished yet. Don't worry.

Is it over now?  It has been two years since this posting and nothing has been released to complete it.

[Jigglypuff]

Missed opportunity tbh . . .

he was one of the few tolerable companions in DA2.

[ilikesocks]

diosprometheus wrote...

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

Sebastian's story is not finished yet. Don't worry.

Is it over now?  It has been two years since this posting and nothing has been released to complete it.

I want answers to this as well. I love me some Cullen and am excited for his return in DAI but as I had to buy The Exalted Prince DLC separately from DA2, what was the point in going the whole game without flirting with a soul apart from Sebastian to have a 'chaste marriage' with him that he even validates in Legacy with Bethany or Carver if in the epilogue he it is not even acknowledged? Plus, his dialogue in the end doesn't mention anything of it compared to the other romances. I don't get it. 

[berelinde]

ilikesocks wrote...

diosprometheus wrote...

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

Sebastian's story is not finished yet. Don't worry.

Is it over now?  It has been two years since this posting and nothing has been released to complete it.

I want answers to this as well. I love me some Cullen and am excited for his return in DAI but as I had to buy The Exalted Prince DLC separately from DA2, what was the point in going the whole game without flirting with a soul apart from Sebastian to have a 'chaste marriage' with him that he even validates in Legacy with Bethany or Carver if in the epilogue he it is not even acknowledged? Plus, his dialogue in the end doesn't mention anything of it compared to the other romances. I don't get it. 

Sebastian's romance did not get the budget that others did. I'm pretty sure that's at least part of the reason that their marriage had to be chaste. Kisses are expensive. I'm also pretty sure that's the reason Sebastian's Gallows farewell doesn't reflect a romance, and that Varric's epilogue doesn't say "Everybody except Sebastian." Is it fair? Of course not. For $7, roughly 10% of the price of the game, you'd expect it to have as much content as the other romances, but it doesn't. Maybe if the DLC had been released later, these last finishing touches would have been present.

If the Inquisitor's travels take them to Starkhaven, I fully expect to find Sebastian there. Even if Hawke befriended him and convinced him to remain with the Chantry, but especially if Hawke spared Anders. I'm kind of hoping for it, actually. In DA2, Sebastian was an affable, kinda bland character, and I kinda wanted him to be more assertive, but I think Elthina's death may have inspired him to make some changes in his life. One way or another, it would have forced him to grow up and assume adult responsibilities.

For Sebastian, the Chantry was a sanctuary, a physical and emotional haven against a world that made him uncomfortable in a lot of ways. Despite claims of drinking and whoring (at the tender age of 13, so I suspect at least part of that was exaggeration), he led a sheltered life. He never lost his idealism, and emotional maturity came late to him. The Chantry's destruction and the war that followed would have made him grow up in a hurry. I think he would fight to protect the institution that meant so much to him. With the Chantry itself divided and at war, I believe he still has a part to play. I'm sure he will undergo changes. He might be harder, less forgiving. I doubt any dialogue would involve the shape of clouds. I'm looking forward to seeing a sterner, more focused Sebastian.

Nor do I think his status as optional DLC will affect his presence in DAI. Players who played the DLC will know his backstory, but that isn't strictly necessary to enjoy returning characters. People whoplayed DAO gain a little extra insight into returning characters like Anders and Merrill, but that doesn't affect those characters' presence in the slightest.

[Mahumia]

diosprometheus wrote...

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

Sebastian's story is not finished yet. Don't worry.

Is it over now?  It has been two years since this posting and nothing has been released to complete it.

I really hope this promise is still standing and we will see/hear more of him in DA:I. I really liked his character and think it is a pity he wasn't fleshed out more in the game (if I understand correctly he was supposed to be a fulltime companion and Nathaniel Howe the DLC... would have been waaay better, handsdown (also for more Nathaniel screentime... *cough* back on topic...)

I think his 'betrayal' at the end is not an actual betrayal. He makes clear throughout the game that he does not trust Anders at all, whilst Hawke totally ignores that. And well, if Anders then blows up the last bit of 'family' he has, no wonder he goes mad. I doubt he would truly return with an army though. He would surely go hunt for Anders, but he still has too much respect for Hawke, in my opinion.

Not sure why the rivalmance is not recognised at all. Developer mistake? Ah well, seeing we get to chose our options in the keep anyway, maybe we can also chose the options for Sebastian? 'romanced, became viscount, sent Sebastian back to Starkhaven'? I know that would make my century

I am not sure whether or not Sebastian would be able to retake Starkhaven on his own. Of course he is the true heir, but he has been away for some time... Somehow I am imagening some sort of Landsmeet for him to fight out who gets the most support: him or his nephew. I think that, when Hawke becomes viscount, he/she can support him well enough to get him on the throne (and then I want a real marriage... you promised me no less than a prince, remember!) I mean, seriously, that could have great impact on DA:I: Starkhaven and Kirkwall would have a strong alliance with Templar support. If he does not make it as ruler (friendmanced for example), than I really see him show up as a seeker.
Hmm, I think he can be a ruler if Anders is killed, and otherwise it will be seeker for him.

[PorcelynDoll]

I am hoping someone can tell what I've done wrong. I am trying to make a cannon Sebastian romance but I always get him saying "if it were under different circumstances" at the gallows.
I did not use any flirt options other then with him, I executed Anders, I sided with the templars and I have him at 100% rival.
What else do I need to do to make it work?

[thats1evildude]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

I am hoping someone can tell what I've done wrong. I am trying to make a cannon Sebastian romance but I always get him saying "if it were under different circumstances" at the gallows.
I did not use any flirt options other then with him, I executed Anders, I sided with the templars and I have him at 100% rival.
What else do I need to do to make it work?

That's just what he says. He won't kiss you, and you don't get the Romantic achievement with him.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 27 septembre 2013 - 04:27 .

[PorcelynDoll]

thats1evildude wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

I am hoping someone can tell what I've done wrong. I am trying to make a cannon Sebastian romance but I always get him saying "if it were under different circumstances" at the gallows.
I did not use any flirt options other then with him, I executed Anders, I sided with the templars and I have him at 100% rival.
What else do I need to do to make it work?

That's just what he says. He won't kiss you, and you don't get the Romantic achievement with him.

Oh okay. So it completes in act 3 in his question beliefs quest when he says the Prince and Vicountess will be the stongest alliance?

[thats1evildude]

Basically, yes.

[PorcelynDoll]

Okay thank you. I do believe I've made a successful cannon.

[A Romance with the Grave]

he´s not that bad I can even understand that he wants to kill anders but it would be much better if you could have more dialogue wich him in that key scene

Modifié par A Romance with the Grave, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:32 .

[Ellyria]

A Romance with the Grave wrote...

he´s not that bad I can even understand that he wants to kill anders but it would be much better if you could have more dialogue wich him in that key scene

It would have been nice if you could pull an Alistair/Loghain and let Sebastian kill Anders. I doubt Anders would have let him though, since he seems to indicate that he wants only Hawke to kill him.

[A Romance with the Grave]

Chylise wrote...

A Romance with the Grave wrote...

he´s not that bad I can even understand that he wants to kill anders but it would be much better if you could have more dialogue wich him in that key scene

It would have been nice if you could pull an Alistair/Loghain and let Sebastian kill Anders. I doubt Anders would have let him though, since he seems to indicate that he wants only Hawke to kill him.

Something like this, yes. What I really wanted was something like: I don´t let him live because I believe he does not deserve death, but because I want him to live through all the pain, the death of innocents and of his fellow mages he claimed to be fighting for, that´s why and by the way, why are you threatening Kirkwall, do you think Anders will stay here, or me, by the way, after this, there will be nobody left so whom are you going to punish/impress whatever with your army?