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[tehprincessJ]

silentstephi wrote...

How long do you guys think it'll be before they post DLC news for DA2?

Right now they're doing the super hype for ME3, how long did it take before they released... wait... what was the first DLC released for DAO? It wasn't Awakenings... right? Shale and Warden's Keep came out with DAO... *is drawing a blank*

'Warden's Peak (ok Keep, I forget) came out pretty much on the heels of 'Origins'. I don't think it was an at the same time thing, was it? 'Return to Ostagar' came along a month before 'Awakening' (give or take a few), and I remember it getting delayed, then the 'Awakening' news was announced before it was ready (like the news was supposed to make those raging at the lateness feel better).

lywinis wrote...

Am I the only Sebastian fan that actually LIKES Anders? I am holding off on my Sebastian romance playthrough simply because I can't bear the thought of killing him. It's stupid that I'm this attached to a character, especially when all the fic that's poured out of my brain has been Sebastian related.

Anders is horribly broken, and it's a trainwreck. I still love him, though.

From what I've seen (this thread aside) practically everyone everywhere loves Anders. I really like him, I just think that a lot of the people who are over the moon about him don't really understand him as a character.

I feel bad each time my Hawke kills him, but it doesn't change the fact that what he does end-game is just messed. Terrorism is bad. And by the end of the game there really isn't much Anders left in him. "Love is the most important thing in the world," Hawke says to him. He doesn't agree. You can't put aside a man's faults simply because you love him, when he'd never do the same for you.

I do see the tragic appeal of him, and a lot of what he says is really endearing (his romance was very well done), but when it comes down to him or Sebastian, I know who I'm going for.

Is it bad that I kill Anders with the belief that he isn't really going to be, well, dead? All my brave talk, and in all honesty I think that Justice is going to keep him alive somehow. He's a healer for crying out loud. It's not like Hawke decapitates him. Also, his body disappears right after. So there's that. No dead body? Then he's not dead.

A lot of Sebastian's appeal is that there really is no understanding him. He changes his mind about his plans 4 or 5 times, but sticks to the chastity thing like a drowning man. I'd love another short story from Jennifer, just to give us a look at what's going on inside his head (you know, after he's met Hawke).

[ThatDancingTurian]

tehprincessJ wrote...

Is it bad that I kill Anders with the belief that he isn't really going to be, well, dead? All my brave talk, and in all honesty I think that Justice is going to keep him alive somehow. He's a healer for crying out loud. It's not like Hawke decapitates him. Also, his body disappears right after. So there's that. No dead body? Then he's not dead.

David Gaider wrote...

No, he's quite dead. We could have gone to more elaborate lengths to show you... ensuring... that he was dead, but I think it got the point across.

I mean, sure, I guess if we wanted to we could come up with some elaborate explanation as to how he survived
anyhow... but that's true with anyone. In this case, particularly since Anders was fully willing to die, I don't think having him live after all that would be very cool.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 09 avril 2011 - 06:07 .

[KyleTheArtist]

If I know right, in medieval times age 13 considered to be a man XD And if I understood his short story right, he left the chantry than came back willingly. So maybe in between he went sex crazy XD

[tehprincessJ]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

No, he's quite dead. We could have gone to more elaborate lengths to show you... ensuring... that he was dead, but I think it got the point across.

I mean, sure, I guess if we wanted to we could come up with some elaborate explanation as to how he survived
anyhow... but that's true with anyone. In this case, particularly since Anders was fully willing to die, I don't think having him live after all that would be very cool.

Oh. Well, then, I suppose that clears that up.

[Eranelle]

tehprincessJ wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

No, he's quite dead. We could have gone to more elaborate lengths to show you... ensuring... that he was dead, but I think it got the point across.

I mean, sure, I guess if we wanted to we could come up with some elaborate explanation as to how he survived
anyhow... but that's true with anyone. In this case, particularly since Anders was fully willing to die, I don't think having him live after all that would be very cool.

Oh. Well, then, I suppose that clears that up.

There are a lot of possibility. In DA:A if you left Anders to die in the vigil, there will be a conversation with Nathaniel and Anders on the Deeproads in DA2. Then again, I doubt that they will bring Anders back knowing that bioware didn't bring Duncan back when I had hoped he did.

[tehprincessJ]

Eranelle wrote...

There are a lot of possibility. In DA:A if you left Anders to die in the vigil, there will be a conversation with Nathaniel and Anders on the Deeproads in DA2. Then again, I doubt that they will bring Anders back knowing that bioware didn't bring Duncan back when I had hoped he did.

I just seems... for all the not explaining why Liliana shows up when she's entirely killable, and Oghren is in 'Awakening' when he could have died in 'Origins' as well, that Anders/Justice should have a greater advantage than anyone as far as coming back goes. But if Gaider says it's so, I pretty much take that as gospel.

Crap. I'm going to have to rethink the whole thing. I don't like the idea of killing Anders if I really am killing him.  I know. I'm ridiculous. But a stomping off angry Sebastian is still an alive Sebastian. It's just... well, no matter how conflicted I was in 'Origins' about Loghain, I could never bear the thought of losing Alistair, so the choice was essentially made for me. This is much more complicated. Even if what Anders does is wrong, I couldn't shouldn't be the one to kill him. There should be a "You want him dead, Sebastian? Fine. Let's see you do it," option. Like there was with Alistair and Loghain (although I know that option was there mostly for the benefit of Anora).

[KyleTheArtist]

tehprincessJ wrote...
Crap. I'm going to have to rethink the whole thing. I don't like the idea of killing Anders if I really am killing him.  I know. I'm ridiculous. But a stomping off angry Sebastian is still an alive Sebastian. It's just... well, no matter how conflicted I was in 'Origins' about Loghain, I could never bear the thought of losing Alistair, so the choice was essentially made for me. This is much more complicated. Even if what Anders does is wrong, I couldn't shouldn't be the one to kill him. There should be a "You want him dead, Sebastian? Fine. Let's see you do it," option. Like there was with Alistair and Loghain (although I know that option was there mostly for the benefit of Anora).

This. Only time I wanted to slap Sebastian. You want him dead?! Ypu have a dagger for melee attacks! use it!

[Sable Rhapsody]

KyleTheArtist wrote...

tehprincessJ wrote...
Crap. I'm going to have to rethink the whole thing. I don't like the idea of killing Anders if I really am killing him.  I know. I'm ridiculous. But a stomping off angry Sebastian is still an alive Sebastian. It's just... well, no matter how conflicted I was in 'Origins' about Loghain, I could never bear the thought of losing Alistair, so the choice was essentially made for me. This is much more complicated. Even if what Anders does is wrong, I couldn't shouldn't be the one to kill him. There should be a "You want him dead, Sebastian? Fine. Let's see you do it," option. Like there was with Alistair and Loghain (although I know that option was there mostly for the benefit of Anora).

This. Only time I wanted to slap Sebastian. You want him dead?! Ypu have a dagger for melee attacks! use it!

Well, look at it this way.  Jennifer Hepler said his story isn't over; maybe that's why he storms off instead.  So he can come back for more delicious, delicious DLC.

I happen to be one of the people who adores both Seb and Anders (though I admit to Anders being the favorite).  And I like Anders not because I agree with the things he's done, but precisely because he's this wonderful mix of virtues and terrible flaws.  

After Varric and Anders, Seb is my favorite.  

[BlackLotus30]

tehprincessJ wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

How long do you guys think it'll be before they post DLC news for DA2?

Right now they're doing the super hype for ME3, how long did it take before they released... wait... what was the first DLC released for DAO? It wasn't Awakenings... right? Shale and Warden's Keep came out with DAO... *is drawing a blank*

'Warden's Peak (ok Keep, I forget) came out pretty much on the heels of 'Origins'. I don't think it was an at the same time thing, was it? 'Return to Ostagar' came along a month before 'Awakening' (give or take a few), and I remember it getting delayed, then the 'Awakening' news was announced before it was ready (like the news was supposed to make those raging at the lateness feel better).

lywinis wrote...

Am I the only Sebastian fan that actually LIKES Anders? I am holding off on my Sebastian romance playthrough simply because I can't bear the thought of killing him. It's stupid that I'm this attached to a character, especially when all the fic that's poured out of my brain has been Sebastian related.

Anders is horribly broken, and it's a trainwreck. I still love him, though.

From what I've seen (this thread aside) practically everyone everywhere loves Anders. I really like him, I just think that a lot of the people who are over the moon about him don't really understand him as a character.

I feel bad each time my Hawke kills him, but it doesn't change the fact that what he does end-game is just messed. Terrorism is bad. And by the end of the game there really isn't much Anders left in him. "Love is the most important thing in the world," Hawke says to him. He doesn't agree. You can't put aside a man's faults simply because you love him, when he'd never do the same for you.

I do see the tragic appeal of him, and a lot of what he says is really endearing (his romance was very well done), but when it comes down to him or Sebastian, I know who I'm going for.

Is it bad that I kill Anders with the belief that he isn't really going to be, well, dead? All my brave talk, and in all honesty I think that Justice is going to keep him alive somehow. He's a healer for crying out loud. It's not like Hawke decapitates him. Also, his body disappears right after. So there's that. No dead body? Then he's not dead.

A lot of Sebastian's appeal is that there really is no understanding him. He changes his mind about his plans 4 or 5 times, but sticks to the chastity thing like a drowning man. I'd love another short story from Jennifer, just to give us a look at what's going on inside his head (you know, after he's met Hawke).

Because as Elthina said Sebastian is still pretty much impulsive maybe because he's passionate about things . Even Elthina knows that if you romance Sebastian that he has feeling for your Hawke and that she doesn't want him to make his decision about staying in the Chantry on a whim if he's going to regret it later, that why She ask that maybe Hawke can put some sense into him. Friendmancing him will lead to only want to stay in the Chantry because you want to stay with him(weird I know) but when Elthina and the Chantry goes boom Sebastian yet again act on impulse and the only time i've seen him being selfish asking you to kill Anders not really thinking how it would affect Hawke. The Rivalmance i think it's like when you choose back in Dragon Age: Origin  to harden Leliana and Alistair.

[nos_astra]

So, I am the only one now who genuinely gives a crap about Anders (well, not really, I do pity him) and killed him without feeling guilty?

I enjoyed playing a pro-templar warrior very much. I also enjoyed playing someone who is really part of her world, and not infused by a free spirit of 21st century. A lawful neutral character who felt Anders was beyond redemption and decided that killing him is justice as well as mercy.

I don't think it's as selfish of Sebastian to ask you to kill Anders as it's selfish of Hawke to let him live.

Modifié par klarabella, 10 avril 2011 - 08:12 .

[luuney]

I wuv Anders. But I loved him more in Awakening when he was a laid back, funny ladiesman.

Everytime he opens his mouth in DA2 I just wanna shove a stocking in his mouth or something. At that point I agree with Carver. I quote:

"I don't hate you because you're a mage. I hate you because you won't shut up about it."

Although, the "sexy tortured look" is really a turn on <3 I support Anders, not... Justice.

[rak72]

klarabella wrote...

So, I am the only one now who genuinely gives a crap about Anders (well, not really, I do pity him) and killed him without feeling guilty?

I enjoyed playing a pro-templar warrior very much. I also enjoyed playing someone who is really part of her world, and not infused by a free spirit of 21st century. A lawful neutral character who felt Anders was beyond redemption and decided that killing him is justice as well as mercy.

I don't think it's as selfish of him to ask you to kill Anders as it's selfish to let him live.

I'm with you, Klarabella.  I could have strangled him with my bear hands after his stunt.  My Hawket could have been visiting Seb at the chantry, trying to seduce him - then bam.  They could have been blown to bits along with the Grand Cleric.  By the end, there was nothing left of Anders in that body.

[BlackLotus30]

rak72 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

So, I am the only one now who genuinely gives a crap about Anders (well, not really, I do pity him) and killed him without feeling guilty?

I enjoyed playing a pro-templar warrior very much. I also enjoyed playing someone who is really part of her world, and not infused by a free spirit of 21st century. A lawful neutral character who felt Anders was beyond redemption and decided that killing him is justice as well as mercy.

I don't think it's as selfish of him to ask you to kill Anders as it's selfish to let him live.

I'm with you, Klarabella.  I could have strangled him with my bear hands after his stunt.  My Hawket could have been visiting Seb at the chantry, trying to seduce him - then bam.  They could have been blown to bits along with the Grand Cleric.  By the end, there was nothing left of Anders in that body.

I do love Anders but at the end I killed him too, because my Hawke liked him very much..... my Hawke killed Anders to spare him from what the Templars or the Chantry would do to him if I had not kill him... painless death is better then the torment he would have suffered.

[ThatDancingTurian]

klarabella wrote...

So, I am the only one now who genuinely gives a crap about Anders (well, not really, I do pity him) and killed him without feeling guilty?

I enjoyed playing a pro-templar warrior very much. I also enjoyed playing someone who is really part of her world, and not infused by a free spirit of 21st century. A lawful neutral character who felt Anders was beyond redemption and decided that killing him is justice as well as mercy.

I don't think it's as selfish of him to ask you to kill Anders as it's selfish to let him live.

I assume you missed a 'doesn't' in there.

You're hardly the only one. I killed him and will continue to do so. I can't imagine any reason why he should live.

[luuney]

Something I'm curious about is, if it comes a Starkhaven DLC, you romanced Sebby and let Anders live...

Wow... What a soap opera.

[tehprincessJ]

I liked 'Awakening' Anders. DA2 Anders isn't the same person. Like, at all. I'm not sure if the part of me that likes him is just loyalty to old Anders or what. But I've never been a fan of losing and/or killing anybody who was a companion at one time or another.

I'm a massive fan of Sebastian (for whatever reason), with Fenris being a close second. Anders. Unfortunately, he just isn't Anders anymore. Killing him is a mercy.

As far as morality goes: my Hawke is firmly in Elthina's camp. I chose sides only when I had to, and I think that the entire idea of a "mage revolution" is not something that can end well.

But again, I'm not sure that somebody whose favorite characters are Seb and Fenris is capable of loving Anders unconditionally.

[silentstephi]

I'm in the 'I love all of them' camp. They're all great characters and each romance hits a chord with me when I'm in that mood. Fenris' mance is very satisfying, even with the Act 2 to Act 3 break. The pacing was well done. Ander's broke my poor warrior's heart, but was only able to patch it up at the very end there. That blackmail line is priceless. Thank you for giving me a LI I can get pissed at but still be in a relationship with. The romances were so organic that way. Loved it.

Admittedly, I've only experienced the Seb 'mance vicariously through Youtube, but the Andersmance and Fenrismance are both I've experienced and enjoyed. (Granted... I'll probably not go for the Angstmance that is Anders again for some time. I don't hate the boy, I actually do like his character, but, I'm still trying to nail down my feelings about the whole mess. It's probably why I'm using him in my Seb story...) Because of the Hawke's that I've played since the Andersmance, I haven't had much trouble killing him. Not because I hate the character, but... he's prepared himself to die. If you rival Anders, it's even more apparent that he's lost the battle and can finally admit to himself that he has. Killing him at that point seems a mercy. Then again, letting him live would be another way to punish him. Let him finally just lose himself entirely...

Thanks for linking to arysani's post, because she really nailed it on the head. After reading the short story, I really think that one reason Sebastian is so pissed at the end there is because Anders forced his hand and made him chose.

If there was anyone waffling during that whole mess, it was Sebastian.

[Zkyire]

I was so torn with Sebastian.

On one hand, he seemed like a genuinely nice guy, so him being the ruler of Starkhaven would be a good thing for the people. Even if he didn't want to rule, it'd put him in the same position as Alistair. A good-hearted person put into a position of power he doesn't want. He hates politics, as he says so himself, so he'd likely put the people first before backstabbing nobles and the like.

On the other hand.. he doesn't want to rule, and I kinda enjoyed PiousSebastian so..

[silentstephi]

I don't get the same vibe from Sebastian that I did with Alistair though when it came to ruling.

Al didn't want the responsibility.

Sebastian seems a bit more... selfish? He doesn't want to deal with the politics because what, it'll show him how ugly some folks can truly be? Things aren't always so great Seb... life ain't just a party or saintly worship, ya know? Least, that's what I think. XD

[vocalemuse]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

klarabella wrote...

So, I am the only one now who genuinely gives a crap about Anders (well, not really, I do pity him) and killed him without feeling guilty?

I enjoyed playing a pro-templar warrior very much. I also enjoyed playing someone who is really part of her world, and not infused by a free spirit of 21st century. A lawful neutral character who felt Anders was beyond redemption and decided that killing him is justice as well as mercy.

I don't think it's as selfish of him to ask you to kill Anders as it's selfish to let him live.

I assume you missed a 'doesn't' in there.

You're hardly the only one. I killed him and will continue to do so. I can't imagine any reason why he should live.

Haha, I'm with you guys on this as well. I won't be sparing Anders on any of my playthroughs, his insta-romance just doesn't appeal to me (the fact he literally pounces on you just for being nice to him turns me off) and Carver's banter line to Anders about, "I don't hate you because you're a mage, I hate you because you won't shut up about it," sums up my feelings for him perfectly. Even my mage Hawkette finds herself wanting to put a sock in his mouth, and she's a goody-goody. >_>

Modifié par vocalemuse, 10 avril 2011 - 01:29 .

[ColaQueen]

Sebastian needs to loosen up, he's too hot to be so chaste. I like rivalmance Seb at the end you can see the passion in him. I mean I paid £5 for the guy I want him to put out

With that in mind, someone has written a fic about a less chaste kind of Sebastian (for grown-ups) over at megkmeme.wordpress.com. I won't direct link to the story because of the content, but yeah it's fun

[witchthief]

Ya know, blood mages can control minds.. perhaps I need a blood mage Hawke... hehe.

[vocalemuse]

witchthief wrote...

Ya know, blood mages can control minds.. perhaps I need a blood mage Hawke... hehe.

This brings up a question I've had... considering that Anders, Fenris, and Sebastian openly speak out against blood magic and mages at some points in their dialogue -- do they ever react or know that your Hawke is a blood mage if you select that path? I know that only Wynne made mention of it once in Origins, was just curious if they made it more widely known by all the companions in DA2.

Modifié par vocalemuse, 10 avril 2011 - 04:16 .

[witchthief]

vocalemuse wrote...

witchthief wrote...

Ya know, blood mages can control minds.. perhaps I need a blood mage Hawke... hehe.

This brings up a question I've had... considering that Anders, Fenris, and Sebastian openly speak out against blood magic and mages at some points in their dialogue -- do they ever react or know that your Hawke is a blood mage if you select that path? I know that only Wynne made mention of it once in Origins, was just curious if they made it more widely known by all the companions in DA2.

Not that I have seen in my current playthrough, and it was the first path I took, plus I use the spells pretty regularly. Haven't had Merrill comment either.

[KyleTheArtist]

 SO, I visited Aimo's live stream today nad me and bunch of other people though that Sebastian needs a trashy romance cover, like Varric. So I drew it.


DeviantArt version.