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[lywinis]

Quick question for my fellow Seb lovers. In the quest "Following the Qun", does Sister Petrice say anything if Sebastian is in your party, or does he get extra dialogue with her?

This is important.

[LessThanKate]

zikadee wrote...

I feel like this is worth agreeing with, in case any of the Bioware peeps are listening.  As much as I tend to grouse about WHY DIDN'T WE GET MOORRRRRE, I think it's pretty awesome that we even got options with him at all, and I am grateful.  

It's more than the poor Cullen fanciers got, after all.

Ah, dear, sweet Cullen...certainly puts thing into perspective. Even with the...vagueness of the ending, there's still...I'd say a pretty good chance things work out eventually. I would like to think he wouldn't ditch marriage plans (spiritual or political).

And yes, much as I'd like more--and I'd settle for some hand holding--since I was preparing to settle for nothing, I will still gladly take this. I'm taking less with a smile, Bioware, please don't make a habit of it. 

Persephone wrote...

luuney wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Warning: This post may...er...will lack depth but....

His accent turns my knees to jelly every bloody time.

You're not the only one.

I'm also weak for those eyes. Mmmm...

God, yes! When that passion flares up! Ah, I want a full romance DLC. Or a HUG Mod like the Hugs for Alistair in DAO. (Excellent addition) I'd settle for ALMOST kisses......hell.......gimme that Thorn Birds drama already.

There is no shame in a simple truth. He makes me weak in the knees, too. Those phasers are always set to stun, apparently.

...And wierd as it is, I actually had the exact same thought. The Hawke/Sebastian relationship is kind of like a non creepy version of "The Thorn Birds". I'm not sure what their ages are, but I...very much doubt it's as...gapping as the characters in that mini series.

rak72 wrote...

Waffles...maple syrup...Sebastian covered in maple syrup...licking sweet sticky maple syrup off Sebastion

Oh - excuse me

...Maybe top that off with some powdery sugar?

luuney wrote...

To you all who want a "Princess of Starkhaven" t-shirt. I couldn't you the t-shirt, but I made a simple... and pink... banner

That is way awesome, though I can't, in good conscience, use it since I've yet to finish a rivalmance. I made two saves with one Hawke, but being rivals with him requires being a jerk, and that hurts my soul. 

Modifié par LessThanKate, 14 avril 2011 - 02:42 .

[silentstephi]

So, question:

Maybe the shiny rubbed off a long time ago, but I don't find the idea of him being a prince as enchanting as the title is supposed to invoke.
I find the whole 'Prince' side of things to be more of a job. And the reason he waffles between the two (brother/prince?) is because he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with being a Prince.

Now, I think with what happens at the end of DA2... it kind of pushes his hand. Forces him to choose. Kind of like life. Can't stay on the fence forever.

But... still. It's a job. Not some magical happy ending. Right? Or is my inner cynic just shining through.... (this question brought to you by not enough alcohol and very little sleep.)

[raziel1980]

lywinis wrote...

Quick question for my fellow Seb lovers. In the quest "Following the Qun", does Sister Petrice say anything if Sebastian is in your party, or does he get extra dialogue with her?

This is important.

No, there is no extra dialog between them unfortunately... and I usually take him with me on that quest because of the chantry involvement and he has some dialog when you enter to chantry to ask Elthina what's going on since they have her seal(which apparently means they are acting under her name/orders).

[lywinis]

silentstephi wrote...

So, question:

Maybe the shiny rubbed off a long time ago, but I don't find the idea of him being a prince as enchanting as the title is supposed to invoke.
I find the whole 'Prince' side of things to be more of a job. And the reason he waffles between the two (brother/prince?) is because he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with being a Prince.

Now, I think with what happens at the end of DA2... it kind of pushes his hand. Forces him to choose. Kind of like life. Can't stay on the fence forever.

But... still. It's a job. Not some magical happy ending. Right? Or is my inner cynic just shining through.... (this question brought to you by not enough alcohol and very little sleep.)

No, I agree. I said it before, something along the lines of having his attention divided between the woman he has feelings for and his responsibilities. He claims he understands what those responsibilities are, but I think that part of the reason he hesitates to take up the title is that he is most definitely not prepared to face the trials that ruling a city/principality entail.

Sebastian's dialogue...
"It's odd. When I wanted to rule, I would have been terrible at it. Now that I might be decent at it, I don't know if it's the right thing to do."

He doesn't think he can handle it, to look at that quote. It's a huge job, overwhelming to someone who has no idea where to start. Alistair was afraid of it, too, you know. Prince is more than a title, and Wynne made a fair point when she said that ruling over people doesn't mean they serve you, specifically.

There's a reason politicians are referred to as 'public servants'. If Sebastian feels he can represent his people's best interests, then he will have a shot at making a decent prince. After all, a small boy raised by slobbering flying dogs from the Anderfels made a decent enough king in the end.

[ReileenaOrion]

silentstephi wrote...

So, question:

Maybe the shiny rubbed off a long time ago, but I don't find the idea of him being a prince as enchanting as the title is supposed to invoke.
I find the whole 'Prince' side of things to be more of a job. And the reason he waffles between the two (brother/prince?) is because he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with being a Prince.

Now, I think with what happens at the end of DA2... it kind of pushes his hand. Forces him to choose. Kind of like life. Can't stay on the fence forever.

But... still. It's a job. Not some magical happy ending. Right? Or is my inner cynic just shining through.... (this question brought to you by not enough alcohol and very little sleep.)

Personally, (and I argue with my fiance about this often) I think Sebastian is waffling because he doesn't know if he is taking the crown because it is his right and duty or because he wants power. Really he doesn't start waffling until the desire demon b**** slaps him with "Ooooo power." He wants to do what is right for his people, but doesn't know what that is yet. It is a job and Sebastian takes it very seriously. I think we should be able to encourage him to be like his grandfather. Faithful to the maker and an excellent ruler (if Sebs dialogue is to be believed.)

@Lywinis: Lol if you harden him he pulls his head out. If not he sucks.

Modifié par ReileenaOrion, 14 avril 2011 - 03:32 .

[silentstephi]

You make some good points Lywinis, though admittedly, I was never a fan of making Al king. I like him more as Grey Warden, and not because I think he's happier there, but that's his job.

So what if he was born of some dude who happened to be King. His job is to be a Grey Warden.

But that's not for this thread. XD

Reileena, it raises an interesting point. If he's afraid that all he wants is power, what is it that he would do with that power? I mean, it can't be just the idea of having power that would make him hesitate. What is it that he thinks is so bad to have that power? He's a different man than what he used to be (wild boy days) and he knows it, so why is he so afraid of having power? It can't be as simple as 'Oh I won't wield it right'.

Who's he afraid to hurt? Himself? The people? How?
So many questionsssssssssssssss...

[tehprincessJ]

silentstephi wrote...

So, question:

Maybe the shiny rubbed off a long time ago, but I don't find the idea of him being a prince as enchanting as the title is supposed to invoke.
I find the whole 'Prince' side of things to be more of a job. And the reason he waffles between the two (brother/prince?) is because he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with being a Prince.

Now, I think with what happens at the end of DA2... it kind of pushes his hand. Forces him to choose. Kind of like life. Can't stay on the fence forever.

But... still. It's a job. Not some magical happy ending. Right? Or is my inner cynic just shining through.... (this question brought to you by not enough alcohol and very little sleep.)

Eh... Sebastian is still very much "I'm the last of my line." His holdup is "I'm not sure it's the right thing to do." His codex states that he will not leave Kirkwall, no matter what, as long as both Elthina and Hawke need him. By the end of DA2 he should be free of all commitments.

I also think that people tend to forget that he is not, in fact a prince. He has to retake his lands before he can claim that title.

raziel1980 wrote...

lywinis wrote...

Quick question for my fellow Seb lovers. In the quest "Following the Qun", does Sister Petrice say anything if Sebastian is in your party, or does he get extra dialogue with her?

This is important.

No, there is no extra dialog between them unfortunately... and I usually take him with me on that quest because of the chantry involvement and he has some dialog when you enter to chantry to ask Elthina what's going on since they have her seal(which apparently means they are acting under her name/orders).

There are, however, extra Sebastian lines during the "Offered and Lost" quest in regards to the Grand Cleric's seal.  Something along the lines of, "Keep an open mind, Hawke. You can't think that Elthina has anything to do with these zealots." "It's a carfully worded discussion about the qunari." Is Hawke's response, if I remember right.

[raziel1980]

tehprincessJ wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

So, question:

Maybe the shiny rubbed off a long time ago, but I don't find the idea of him being a prince as enchanting as the title is supposed to invoke.
I find the whole 'Prince' side of things to be more of a job. And the reason he waffles between the two (brother/prince?) is because he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with being a Prince.

Now, I think with what happens at the end of DA2... it kind of pushes his hand. Forces him to choose. Kind of like life. Can't stay on the fence forever.

But... still. It's a job. Not some magical happy ending. Right? Or is my inner cynic just shining through.... (this question brought to you by not enough alcohol and very little sleep.)

Eh... Sebastian is still very much "I'm the last of my line." His holdup is "I'm not sure it's the right thing to do." His codex states that he will not leave Kirkwall, no matter what, as long as both Elthina and Hawke need him. By the end of DA2 he should be free of all commitments.

I also think that people tend to forget that he is not, in fact a prince. He has to retake his lands before he can claim that title.

raziel1980 wrote...

lywinis wrote...

Quick question for my fellow Seb lovers. In the quest "Following the Qun", does Sister Petrice say anything if Sebastian is in your party, or does he get extra dialogue with her?

This is important.

No, there is no extra dialog between them unfortunately... and I usually take him with me on that quest because of the chantry involvement and he has some dialog when you enter to chantry to ask Elthina what's going on since they have her seal(which apparently means they are acting under her name/orders).

There are, however, extra Sebastian lines during the "Offered and Lost" quest in regards to the Grand Cleric's seal.  Something along the lines of, "Keep an open mind, Hawke. You can't think that Elthina has anything to do with these zealots." "It's a carfully worded discussion about the qunari." Is Hawke's response, if I remember right.

You are correct indeed.  That is exactly when Mother Petrice( one of the few people in the chantry I DESPISE) shows up again...

[ReileenaOrion]

silentstephi wrote...

Reileena, it raises an interesting point. If he's afraid that all he wants is power, what is it that he would do with that power? I mean, it can't be just the idea of having power that would make him hesitate. What is it that he thinks is so bad to have that power? He's a different man than what he used to be (wild boy days) and he knows it, so why is he so afraid of having power? It can't be as simple as 'Oh I won't wield it right'.

Who's he afraid to hurt? Himself? The people? How?
So many questionsssssssssssssss...

Simply, he doesn't want to be a tyrant. He's afraid he'll abuse the power and do what is best for him personally instead of what is best for his people. I agree with you. He needs to pull his head out and man up. However, I see where his hesitation lies. A good ruler can't worry about themselves and their own souls. A good ruler must think of their people first (do whatever it takes to keep them safe and prosperous) and Seb is too selfish for that right now. I need to stop before I start ranting lol. 

[LessThanKate]

silentstephi wrote...

So, question:

Maybe the shiny rubbed off a long time ago, but I don't find the idea of him being a prince as enchanting as the title is supposed to invoke.
I find the whole 'Prince' side of things to be more of a job. And the reason he waffles between the two (brother/prince?) is because he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with being a Prince.

Now, I think with what happens at the end of DA2... it kind of pushes his hand. Forces him to choose. Kind of like life. Can't stay on the fence forever.

But... still. It's a job. Not some magical happy ending. Right? Or is my inner cynic just shining through.... (this question brought to you by not enough alcohol and very little sleep.)

My favorite origin story in the first game (if you couldn't tell by the avatar) was the Dwarf Noble. If Starkhaven politics are even a fraction as bad as Orzammar, being a prince (or princess, as it were) is by no means enchanting.

I figure the description for the DLC, about the world of politics being a "viper's nest" was worded as such for a reason. And if that's the case, I can't say I blame him for said waffling.
 
I'm sure the burden of responsibility (not that a life of religious service, with vows of chastity and poverty is not without its own challenges) had something to do with it, but I think he also fears becoming something else. Something not unlike the person he used to be, maybe worse. He had spent years in the Chantry redeeming himself...maybe going back there would make it for nothing. That's not to say that would happened, but...the best way not to give into such temptations might be to not be exposed to them in the first place.

I'm sure the argument has alread been made that he could do more good as a prince, and there's truth in that, but there's also a greater variable, and that's what scares him.

Don't know if there's a right answer to be had, but...if it's either him or his supposed simpleton cousin, taking back the land seems to be more responsible. I think there was a diplomatic answer...that not wanting the power means he could do good with it.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 14 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[SilentK]

I like to see how he develops a friendship with Fenris over time in the game. One day I'll have a Hawke that romances Fenris and sides with the templar. I'll keep Sebastian and I'm really curious to see if Fenris takes up Sebastians offer and goes to Starkhaven. That will be my two templar runs, rivalmance of Sebastian and romance with Fenris. Hey, it's always fun to see different sides of the game =)

[tehprincessJ]

Well if you romance Fenris he won't go to Starkhaven because he stays with you. And I always romance him with a mage on a pro-mage playthrough. It's just more dramatic that way.

But yeah, I love that Sebastian and Fenris are buddies. I'd totally see him going if Hawke isn't a consideration.

[Rompa87]

Hey fellas. A bit confused here. I rival-romanced Seb, and he said something like (in a musing voice) "hm, a prince of starkhaven and a viscountess of Kirkwall etc, etc...", but Varric never mentioned the romance in his epilogue.

I supported the mages in the final battle, does that nullify the romance, or was there more to the romance that I missed?

[rak72]

Seb also mentions in one of his banters ( I think with Avaline ) that he doesn't want people dying in order to restore him to power - so that can be holding him back as well.

[tehprincessJ]

Rompa87 wrote...

Hey fellas. A bit confused here. I rival-romanced Seb, and he said something like (in a musing voice) "hm, a prince of starkhaven and a viscountess of Kirkwall etc, etc...", but Varric never mentioned the romance in his epilogue.

I supported the mages in the final battle, does that nullify the romance, or was there more to the romance that I missed?

You didn't miss anything. This just happens.  Hopefully things will be cleared up a little better at some future point?

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

Sebastian's story is not finished yet. Don't worry.

Modifié par tehprincessJ, 14 avril 2011 - 03:42 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

xhalexspl wrote...

xhalexspl wrote...

Is there any solution to Sebastian Bug? If Sebastian became your friend, every time you load your savegame without him in your party, your Damage Resistance decreases by 5%, thus dropping below 0.

Solved. You need gff4editor (see 'Isabela slo-mo' thread for details) to edit corrupted stats and patch 1.02 to make sure that issue won't happen anymore. I had -15% Attack Speed and -25% Damage Resistance. lol

So path 1.02 does definitely fix the bug?

I have Seb in rivalry, so that's no big deal.  But Izzy's in friendship, and I do not want to muck about with pyGFF for the zillionth time this playthrough.

[Eternal Phoenix]

This thread needs this:



I support Sebastian:

[Sable Rhapsody]

Elton John is dead wrote...

I support Sebastian:

<snip>

So do I, but supporting Seb and hating Anders don't always go hand-in-hand for everyone, even though it seems that way sometimes   Why the hell can't my favorite characters just get along?

[silentstephi]

Hate to say Sable, but all three of them boys are just destined to hate on each other. Unless it's Seb and Fenris. They have BFF tendencies.

Saying that, I still love all three of them. Anders and Seb, two opposites (since well, we're forced to chose one or the other) that I seriously wish you could keep both, but I'm actually happy you can't.

Gives the character more depth. They have convictions that not even the Super Important PC can change. Having core beliefs or just core traits that the PC can't mutate makes me for a happy player.

That being said, that picture makes me sad. I've killed Anders in a few of my PTs, but not out of malice. I have a save he's alive and ... well, as well as an abomination can be, but he's alive! XD

So how long before do you think it'll be before they announce DLC plans for DA2? Another few months? June? The ME3 high is wearing down since I'm bunkering to ignore all future spoilers (this is a test of my convictions!) and I need some DA news to bolster myself.

Lord knows there's no other games I'm looking forward to. XD

Also: @lywinis- I just started reading Obeisance.  It's fantastic.  Keep at it. XD  

Modifié par silentstephi, 14 avril 2011 - 11:49 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

silentstephi wrote...

Hate to say Sable, but all three of them boys are just destined to hate on each other. Unless it's Seb and Fenris. They have BFF tendencies.

Saying that, I still love all three of them. Anders and Seb, two opposites (since well, we're forced to chose one or the other) that I seriously wish you could keep both, but I'm actually happy you can't.

Gives the character more depth. They have convictions that not even the Super Important PC can change. Having core beliefs or just core traits that the PC can't mutate makes me for a happy player.

I know they'll all hate each other forever, but a girl can hope!  What I wouldn't give for that picture of Anders and Seb brofisting to be true.  But you're right, I'm happy that they're their own people, and that Hawke doesn't have magical Shepard superpowers of fixing.  It makes everyone, including Hawke, seem so much more human and realistic.

[silentstephi]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

Hate to say Sable, but all three of them boys are just destined to hate on each other. Unless it's Seb and Fenris. They have BFF tendencies.

Saying that, I still love all three of them. Anders and Seb, two opposites (since well, we're forced to chose one or the other) that I seriously wish you could keep both, but I'm actually happy you can't.

Gives the character more depth. They have convictions that not even the Super Important PC can change. Having core beliefs or just core traits that the PC can't mutate makes me for a happy player.

I know they'll all hate each other forever, but a girl can hope!  What I wouldn't give for that picture of Anders and Seb brofisting to be true.  But you're right, I'm happy that they're their own people, and that Hawke doesn't have magical Shepard superpowers of fixing.  It makes everyone, including Hawke, seem so much more human and realistic.

I'm about to go into spoilers for everyone in this musing, so be warned.


Do you think Anders will be back in a future DLC?
I mean, Seb leaves or stays with Hawke, but he lives.  And Hepler's already hinted at his story not being over, so I'm pretty sure that's the way of saying 'We have DLC plans' but in this world of we have to keep them guessing orz, whatever... anyway, where was I going with this?

Oh right.  Anders.  He could die!  Or you could let him live, either by telling him to bugger off or by bringing him with you.  I'm curious if he'll be featured in a future DLC and if they can actually write around that.

Unless, he's not really dead.  Justice has another dead body to cart around, ho hum.
And for that matter, the rest of the gang.  The only other character that can definitely die is Sibling.

Isa could get sent off to the Arishok (now what I wouldn't give for an escaped and now out for Hawke's HEAD Isabela... that'd rock).
Merrill can ... do mirror stuff.  Or not.  Where she goes who knows.
Varric is Varric.  Constant as all hell.
Fenris... hrm, this one could be tough.  He could get sent back with Danarius... and with the mind wipe, he's out for good.  So I guess he's out of the running for any sort of real come back.  Damn.  I really like that elf.
Aveline is Guard Captain of Kirkwall, and hrm... I know that it says she leaves with you but what about Donnic? 

Arg!  'Too many variables!'

[tehprincessJ]

Have to chime in here that while the Maker No! poster is awesome, I agree that Loving Sebastian =/= hating Anders. I've seen it go both ways, actually, and it really is a shame.
Everyone is different, so everyone has different characters who speak to them in different ways. (I will admit that it's nice that my 2 biggest faves really like each other, but even if they didn't, I'd still form my own opinions.)

silentstephi wrote...

So how long before do you think it'll be before they announce DLC plans for DA2? Another few months? June? The ME3 high is wearing down since I'm bunkering to ignore all future spoilers (this is a test of my convictions!) and I need some DA news to bolster myself.

 

I'm right with you. I was high as a kite on ME3 for a couple days there, but it's worn off.  And Kaidan and Garrus come back as squaddies? That's all I need to know (we'll actually, knowing already how the game begins is already TMI, but it's my fault for reading the entire GI article). I'm staying away from any more ME3 spoilage, I swear, something I did not do with DA2. I was looking forward to it so much that I was on these boards almost daily for a while there. So yes. We do need some DLC news. Soonish.