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[LT123]

rak72 wrote...

It's too bad they didn't give Seb a consolation scene, he would have donea great job.When you click on him afteward & he tells you that he's sorry about your mom & he will put up a memorial notice - it's very touching.

I  was romancing him on my first playthrough and was sure he would come in for the consolation scene. Lo and behold, in walks Aveline. Which was nice, but not what i was expecting.

I did like his comment about the memorial. That was sweet.

[Sable Rhapsody]

tehprincessJ wrote...
I've reached Act 3 with my rival-manced Sebastian. And now I wish I'd played as a rogue (I have a terrible time not being a mage - I can't have my Dragon Age universe exist without an alive Carver). Anyway, while I find I like this more agressive Sebastian, his opinion of mages is just... "If every mage in Kirkawall is locked safely in the circle. Or dead." Why did the Prince/rivalry path have to lead me to the "support the templar" path? I've been exploring every little bit of dialog with him and I just... eck. I'm not sure that I like it. Although, I will admit to loving "I'll offer you nothing less than a Prince" above and beyond the weirdness that was the chaste marriage proposal.

He doesn't get to that attitude about the mages until Act 3, where the mages are beginning to actively threaten the Chantry itself.  On the rivalry path, he's developed enough of an attitude where he just will not put up with that, even before Anders goes cray-cray.

I think the problem is that unlike the fully realized romances, his "romance" is not class-sensitive.  He shouldn't be saying the same thing to a mage who rivalry romances him vs. a mage who just plain rivalries him.  I didn't romance him on the rivalry path, so that super-contentious attitude was actually a great character moment for me.  Kind of like, "Holy s***, he's actually going to throw down against the freaking CHAMPION over this."  But it makes a lot less sense for a rivalry romance.  Alas.

rak72 wrote...

^^
I haven't rivaled him - I hate being mean to him, and we always agree on everything. He's such a sweetie when you are his friend, I don't think I'll ever do the rivalry. I don't want to see him as douchy McDouchbag.

You don't have to be mean or rude to him; just push him toward being more worldly.  Although I will admit I had a hard time keeping him rival; I had to metagame which quests I took him on since the guy loves everything.  I had a crazy maleficar revolutionary Hawke who would've handed Anders the blighted match, and I STILL had trouble keeping him as a rival 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 22 avril 2011 - 09:27 .

[Paraxial]

Is this a group for a Sebastian bro too? I don't want any of that, but me and him put on our New Eras and roll out for the night weekly. Dude don't drink but he can spit some mad game.

Alright seriously though, I enjoy Lawful Good characters and i've decided i'll lurk this thread. Thanks for posting.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Bible Doctor wrote...

Is this a group for a Sebastian bro too? I don't want any of that, but me and him put on our New Eras and roll out for the night weekly. Dude don't drink but he can spit some mad game.

Alright seriously though, I enjoy Lawful Good characters and i've decided i'll lurk this thread. Thanks for posting.

Your sig is win.  Sorry--just wanted to say that 

I was surprised at how much I liked Seb.  Lawful Good characters are usually not my bag; I blame paladin characters like Anomen and Casavir for that <_<

[randomcheeses]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

I really like Sebastian, easily my second favorite character (right after Carver). We easily hit it off, my personal views and his views of the circle are very similar from what I can tell (Circle is there for the safety of Thedas, and the safety of the Mage). I share my admiration for the Grand Cleric, Elthina was dear to me as well talked to her every chance I got. the story of how she "baptized" (for lack of a better word) your mother to the chantry was a personal favorite of mine. Nearly broke my heart when Anders pulled that stunt of his. Hell, I tried to warn her about Anders plan to distract her, "why didn't she listen to me".

I do have a question however, I was planning on roleing a FemHawke to romance Sebastian. Does Verric mention Sebastian staying with Hawke in the epilogue?

Nope. Which really, really irks me.

[R2s Muse]

Howdy folks -- been lurking a bit and really enjoying the discussion (although haven't ready every page). I've been adoring Sebastian, and preparing for my first romance playthrough (I've flirted with him lots, but have "officially" chosen Fen and Anders so far). Am I understanding right, then, that the official guide is wrong about not flirting with anyone else? So, does that mean I can flirt but just can't sleep with anyone during Act 2? On my current playthrough, I slept with Fen, then switched to Anders, and with him at 100% rival, he gave me the "you're already with Anders" shtick when I suggested he take me with him to Starkhaven. Thanks!

[MoMan313]

wait, seb's a lawful good?! D: I thought he was a neutral good! how can you people tell?!

[LessThanKate]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

I really like Sebastian, easily my second favorite character (right after Carver). We easily hit it off, my personal views and his views of the circle are very similar from what I can tell (Circle is there for the safety of Thedas, and the safety of the Mage). I share my admiration for the Grand Cleric, Elthina was dear to me as well talked to her every chance I got. the story of how she "baptized" (for lack of a better word) your mother to the chantry was a personal favorite of mine. Nearly broke my heart when Anders pulled that stunt of his. Hell, I tried to warn her about Anders plan to distract her, "why didn't she listen to me".

I do have a question however, I was planning on roleing a FemHawke to romance Sebastian. Does Verric mention Sebastian staying with Hawke in the epilogue?

Whoa, it's a dude!

...Sorry, I just find it a bit funny. From what I gather, Sebastian is just one of those male characters that doesn't really click with actual men. I hope I'm wrong, but I haven't seen anything t prove otherwise. Of course, I can't imagine Anders or Fenris being much more popular with guy players. I figure Varric monopolizes that, but hey...who doesn't like Varric?

And it's been said, but no, there is no mention. I don't know if the ending simply doesn't account for the DLC or what, but Varric will imply your Hawke is not with anyone.

Maybe he just doesn't know? I don't think any of the characters give any reference or acknowledgment to either "arrangement" between Sebastian and a female Hawke...but again, that just might be no or less recognition for the DLC. Which is lame.

So I would suggest pursuing him only if you really like him as a character, because as much as it pains me to say, there's not a whole lot else. I was grateful for what I got, and I did love making him get flustered, but you should not go for it expecting the same level as the four...actual romances.

[tehprincessJ]

R2s Muse wrote...

Howdy folks -- been lurking a bit and really enjoying the discussion (although haven't ready every page). I've been adoring Sebastian, and preparing for my first romance playthrough (I've flirted with him lots, but have "officially" chosen Fen and Anders so far). Am I understanding right, then, that the official guide is wrong about not flirting with anyone else? So, does that mean I can flirt but just can't sleep with anyone during Act 2? On my current playthrough, I slept with Fen, then switched to Anders, and with him at 100% rival, he gave me the "you're already with Anders" shtick when I suggested he take me with him to Starkhaven. Thanks!

As far as I can tell, it's alright to flirt as long as you don't take it to the "when I go home at night they'll be there" level. So anything up to a given character's questioning beliefs quest in Act 2.

Although... I might try to see what happens if I don't rush off to aid Fenris on 'Alone'. I'll let you know what happens if I've been romancing both Sebastian and Fen, but don't reach his Act 3 reconcile before I do Sebastian's Act 3 Questioning Beliefs. Probably nothing. But we'll see.

[tehprincessJ]

LessThanKate wrote...

Maybe he just doesn't know? I don't think any of the characters give any reference or acknowledgment to either "arrangement" between Sebastian and a female Hawke...but again, that just might be no or less recognition for the DLC. Which is lame.

Sebastian and Hawke have a "Secret" love affair, obviously. That's the only way to explain why no one in the game acknowledges it.

Also: *highfive* to Bible Doctor. Happy to have you here.

[rak72]

tehprincessJ wrote...

Really? You agree on everything? Off the top of my head: I lose points with him when I give Merrill the elven artifact. He doesn't like when I tell Ella to run free after 'Dissent' and he practically pitches a fit when you agree to go into the Fade for 'Night Terrors'. I love Sebastian. But we don't agree on everything. This is the 1st time I've rivaled him: he's actually pretty easy to gain favor with, especially if you're nice to people. But I wanted to see. It's just very hard to stomach his hightened distrust of mages when I am one.

Oh, I never give Merrill the artifact.  I always rival her & give her the buisness about being a blood mage - he likes that a lot.  I don't remember who Ella/dissent was.  With the fade, he just told me something about a man of the cloth not going into the fade.
He was sweet when I got back from the fade, when I clicked on him, he would say something about being glad that I made it back safely.

Edit - Hi Bible, Lucky & R2:wizard:

Modifié par rak72, 22 avril 2011 - 03:22 .

[LessThanKate]

tehprincessJ wrote...

LessThanKate wrote...

Maybe he just doesn't know? I don't think any of the characters give any reference or acknowledgment to either "arrangement" between Sebastian and a female Hawke...but again, that just might be no or less recognition for the DLC. Which is lame.

Sebastian and Hawke have a "Secret" love affair, obviously. That's the only way to explain why [i]no one in the game acknowledges it.

What can I say? I'm hopelessly optimistic.

I mean, surely if Varric knew, he would have dressed it up a bit. Would have described in wonderous detail how Hawke threw Sebastian against the altar and ravished him between the pews. And Cassandra's head would explode upon hearing such blasphemy, and the game would be over. The end.

rak72 wrote...

Oh, I never give Merrill the artifact. I always rival her & give her the buisness about being a blood mage - he likes that a lot. I don't remember who Ella/dissent was. With the fade, he just told me something about a man of the cloth not going into the fade.
He was sweet when I got back from the fade, when I clicked on him, he would say something about being glad that I made it back safely.

Ella is the girl from one of Anders' quests, the one involing Ser Alrik and the "Trainquil Solution". In the beginning, when talking to Anders, I'm pretty sure Sebastian approves of diplomatic responses, as they suggest the templars aren't all bad and it might be just Ser Alrik who is too extreme. When you find Ella and defeat the templars, Justice takes full control. If you don't say the right thing, he kills her. And if she dies, you gain rivalry from Sebastian (and Fenris). You get frienship if she lives and proceed to tell her to go back to the Circle. I'm not sure, but she'll ask you who Anders was, and you might get friendship with an aggressive response, saying that Anders is a demon, whether he admits it or not.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 22 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[tehprincessJ]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

He doesn't get to that attitude about the mages until Act 3, where the mages are beginning to actively threaten the Chantry itself.  On the rivalry path, he's developed enough of an attitude where he just will not put up with that, even before Anders goes cray-cray.

Yes, but see, to me, that makes no sense. Pushing him toward retaking his lands and away from the Chantry shouldn't make him more of a religious zealot.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I think the problem is that unlike the fully realized romances, his "romance" is not class-sensitive.  He shouldn't be saying the same thing to a mage who rivalry romances him vs. a mage who just plain rivalries him. But it makes a lot less sense for a rivalry romance.  Alas.

I think that's a big part of the problem right there. I feel like Anders likes you more when you're a mage (because OMG, he loves mages), and I prefer the drama of making Fenris love me as a mage, but I would think that such a thing wouldn't matter as much with Sebastian, seeing as he sides with Hawke either way during 'The Last Straw'.

[LessThanKate]

tehprincessJ wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

He doesn't get to that attitude about the mages until Act 3, where the mages are beginning to actively threaten the Chantry itself.  On the rivalry path, he's developed enough of an attitude where he just will not put up with that, even before Anders goes cray-cray.

Yes, but see, to me, that makes no sense. Pushing him toward retaking his lands and away from the Chantry shouldn't make him more of a religious zealot.

Even if being pushed to be prince over priest, that doesn't change the fact that the Chantry was/is a huge part of his life. How long was he there, around ten years? When something or someone is so involved in your life, you don't just forget about it. It will always affect his personality to some degree.

I'm not saying being a "zealot" is a good thing, but it seems he will always retain his faith, friendship or rivalry. He did say he didn't want to take back Starkhaven unless he saw a sign and...well, he got one. 

I'm probably being too forgiving, but towards the end it felt like he was being pushed to the limits of his patience, and further in an ugly side to his personality came forth. I even recall a banter with Anders in which he warns him that if he revolts, he will be killed. Anders replied with someonthing like, "Andraste was killed, that doesn't mean she failed", to which Sebastian scoffed, "Do not compare yourself to Andraste". 

At least he never said mages shouldn't be treated like people like Cullen did, right?

Modifié par LessThanKate, 22 avril 2011 - 03:41 .

[tehprincessJ]

A rivaled Sebastian is more "It can wait. Starkhaven will not benefit if Kirkwall falls." He grows away from "waiting for a sign". Perhaps he feels that Mage-hate will speed the process? I'm not sure. But again, his escalated anti-mage stance causes me distress. I was fully prepared to prefer a rivaled Sebastian.

[MoMan313]

LessThanKate wrote...
 "Andraste was killed, that doesn't mean she failed", to which Sebastian scoffed, "Do not compare yourself to Andraste". 

At least he never said mages shouldn't be treated like people like Cullen did, right?

Well.... Anders got what he wanted, whether if any one killed him or not... >_>

As for the mages... Thats why I like him... ability to see past what his chantry raves about on how "evil" the mages are! 

[nos_astra]

LessThanKate wrote...
I'm probably being too forgiving, but towards the end it felt like he was being pushed, and further in an ugly side to his personality came forth. I even recall a banter with Anders in which he warns him that if he revolts, he will be killed. Anders replied with someonthing like, "Andraste was killed, that doesn't mean she failed", to which Sebastian scoffed, "Do not compare yourself to Andraste". 

I think, he's just stating something he believes is a fact and is pointing out Anders' hyperbole.

Anders will probably be killed in a revolt. It's a very likely outcome.
And comparing yourself to Andraste is probably considered blasphemous (especially if you're mage because Andraste fought against mages).

You need to remember, Sebastian is created as a character who was written by the authors to be a part of his world, with all the flaws you could expect from someone who was raised to believe mages are dangerous and made the Maker turn his back on the world. I think, he's wouldn't be considered a zealot by the average Marcher, Fereldan or Orlesian.

The Starkhaven people are very religious, so I've heard. They probably wouldn't respond well if their future ruler was overly tolerant towards mages or even too closely connected with one.

Modifié par klarabella, 22 avril 2011 - 04:01 .

[LessThanKate]

klarabella wrote...

I think, he's just stating something he believes is a fact and is pointing out Anders' hyperbole.

Anders will probably be killed in a revolt. It's a very likely outcome.
And comparing yourself to Andraste is probably considered blasphemous (especially if you're mage because Andraste fought against mages).

You need to remember, Sebastian is created as a character who was written by the authors to be a part of his world, with all the flaws you could expect from someone who was raised to believe mages are dangerous and made the Maker turn his back on the world. I think, he's wouldn't be considered a zealot by the average Marcher, Fereldan or Orlesian.

The Starkhaven people are very religious, so I've heard. They probably wouldn't respond well if their future ruler was overly tolerant towards mages or even too closely connected with one.

That's exactly why I'm forgiving. Sometimes when people criticize characters, they fail to comprehend the position he or she is in. It's enough that a character disagress with the PC to bash them. It still surprises me when Sebastian is called "preachy" when most--almost all, really--humans in Thedas are religious, to some degree, and he was a brother for much of his adult life.

And I bring up that particular banter because of the tone. I got it fairly early in Act III and it was the first time I had ever heard Sebastian scoff in such a way. It serves nicely as a "beginning of the end" of their...relationship. 

[General User]

Sebastian is definitely the kind of guy I would introduce to my sister.

Modifié par General User, 22 avril 2011 - 07:11 .

[tehprincessJ]

General User wrote...

Sebastian is definitely the kind of guy I would introduce to my sister.

That's sweet.

[Caja]

MoMan313 wrote...

wait, seb's a lawful good?! D: I thought he was a neutral good! how can you people tell?!

Personally, I don't think that you can look at a Dragon Age character and point out his alignment, because there are none. I think it's acually an improvement because without  categorization there is more room for character development.


Edit:

General User wrote...

Sebastian is definitely the kind of guy I would introduce to my sister.

I honestly wish my sister would introduce me to someone like Sebastian .

Modifié par Caja, 22 avril 2011 - 09:23 .

[Apirka]

Hello everyone!  Maybe this is the right place to ask : I was playing with male Hawke, and  at the Gallows after I spoke with Sebastian (before the final battle) and clicked on him again, he said this



My question is, isn't he supposed to say this to a femHawke who romanced him? Or does he say the same anyways?

[rak72]

Apirka wrote...

Hello everyone!  Maybe this is the right place to ask : I was playing with male Hawke, and  at the Gallows after I spoke with Sebastian (before the final battle) and clicked on him again, he said this



My question is, isn't he supposed to say this to a femHawke who romanced him? Or does he say the same anyways?

That looks like he's refering to the maker being with him

[Apirka]

rak72 wrote...

Apirka wrote...

Hello everyone!  Maybe this is the right place to ask : I was playing with male Hawke, and  at the Gallows after I spoke with Sebastian (before the final battle) and clicked on him again, he said this



My question is, isn't he supposed to say this to a femHawke who romanced him? Or does he say the same anyways?

That looks like he's refering to the maker being with him

Really?  That's awesome.  I thought this is a glitch or something because I saw a video on youtube, where a femHawke romanced him and he said this. Well.. whatever. Thank you for responding.  =)