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[Aanna]

Yes, he'd have to be at least 28. Though, how much of a womanizer can you really manage to be at 18? Personally, I think he was probably at least 21, which would make him at least 31 at the beginning of the story.

But I've heard that people tend to skew perceived character ages based on their own age, so maybe I'm just old ; )

[LessThanKate]

randomcheeses wrote...

Because Bioware thrives on our pain?

For all she gives me, I'm just left wanting more. She is a cruel mistress, I tell you!

Aanna wrote...

Yes, he'd have to be at least 28. Though, how much of a womanizer can you really manage to be at 18? Personally, I think he was probably at least 21, which would make him at least 31 at the beginning of the story.

But I've heard that people tend to skew perceived character ages based on their own age, so maybe I'm just old ; )

Carver is at least eighteen, right? And he had that little...adventure with Peaches, didn't he?

Eighteen seems to be the very minimum for that sort of thing. I honestly have no idea what age someone in this universe a person is considered an adult; could be even younger than that, for all I know. Plus, Sebastian must've been very...priveleged. Combine that with all the hormones and such..."wild child" would be putting it mildly.

This is why I do not want Sebastian to revert to the way he was. I don't wish I could've "met you then". As I said before, I'd rather he keep learning from his experiences and undergo a metamorphoses. Like a butterfly...a sexy, sexy butterfly.

And I was not expecting any inclination to Dragon Age 3 for a long time! To be honest, I was hoping for news of some...more interesting DLCs (as in, not just armor packs and some new weapons) first. Still, I imagine and...hope, as well, that it'll be quite a while before much about the third game comes out. Even though the end of the second left me gnashing my teeth.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 20 mai 2011 - 06:05 .

[Eranelle]

I'd imagine at those times it could have been at age 18 to be in that phase

[MoMan313]

I thought it was like 16-18 in his wild years..

[SilentK]

We'll be getting dlc sooner or later =) I have no worries about that. And hopefully something more with Sebastian also.

[randomcheeses]

Hopefully sooner. I don't want to have to wait until DA3 to see more Sebastian

[Sable Rhapsody]

randomcheeses wrote...

So I'm curious, fellow Sebastian fans, when was the exact moment of the game that you decided that you liked him/he was your favourite character?

I liked Sebastian ok in my first PT, but it was rushed because I was trying to finish the game in three days.  So I didn't manage to fully friendship or rival him, and missed a lot of his content.

I really liked him on second PT once I unlocked his rivalry conversations, and he became one of my favorites when he stood up to my Hawke over the mage issue in his final Questioning Beliefs.  Not the smartest thing to do, but it took guts.

[PoisonTheCity]

<- my face when playing TW2 and hearing Seb's voice here and there.

[MoMan313]

OMFG. XDDDD You guys..... you guys...



GanymedeG DeviantArt as always~;D

Man.. I love the first part on this!

[tehprincessJ]

PoisonTheCity wrote...

<- my face when playing TW2 and hearing Seb's voice here and there.

For real? Aww, I do wish they'd gone forward with their plans to bring TW2 to consoles.

[R2s Muse]

randomcheeses wrote...

So I'm curious, fellow Sebastian fans, when was the exact moment of the game that you decided that you liked him/he was your favourite character?

This is a great question. Love seeing everyone's answers. For me, I had an immediate attraction, but my true appreciate for him had to evolve. From the  moment he shot the arrow at the chantry board, I was intrigued by this hottie hothead. (I mean, damn!)  I then thought he was adorable when I tried to flirt, and he had to go pray (LMAO). But, I think I truly appreciated him as a character (not just as an NPC-ILF) when I heard his banter with my companions. His whole discussion with Fenris about the role of the Maker in his life I found to be so touching. He seemed so compassionate and levelheaded (certainly compared to many of the other companions, ahem). Indeed, as others have said, he's just so genuinely  nice. But, he's not necessarily prudish, which I think often connotes a bit of judgment -- I mean, he's been there, done that, during his wildchild days; he just chooses to no longer do those things.

Of course, all these impressions were during my first playthrough as I'd already fallen for Fenris, after opting against my first choice of Anders. Eek, Bioware, too many choices! My next playthrough will be a Seb romance (with some generous one-sided flirting with Cullen).

[R2s Muse]

randomcheeses wrote...

Question for the thread: Exactly what age is Sebastian? I always figure him to be 28/29 when we meet him in year one, which allows for him to have, to quote Elthina 'been Affirmed here (in Kirkwall) nearly a decade ago' and still have the late teen years to establish the fact that he was a *cough* 'Wild boy' to quote Sebastian himself.

Agree Y/N?

I recall hearing an argument about this once that pointed to some strong constraints on his age from the game. Something like, in Act 3 he says he's been gone from Starkhaven for 15 yrs. Then, when talking about his grandfather's bow, he says he was 13 when his grandfather told him he could have the bow when he could shoot it. I figure, add a bit of time for his bow practicing, then he's at least 28 in Act 3, probably a bit more.

[Eranelle]

randomcheeses wrote...

So I'm curious, fellow Sebastian fans, when was the exact moment of the game that you decided that you liked him/he was your favourite character?

Here's my take on your question. http://diwafernandez...sebastian-vael/

[R2s Muse]

Eranelle wrote...


Here's my take on your question. http://diwafernandez...sebastian-vael/

Ah, there you also make a good point about the age thing. Indeed, presumably Sebastian's partying phase happened (hopefully SOME TIME) after age 13...but before the chantry.

[LessThanKate]

Eranelle wrote...

randomcheeses wrote...

So I'm curious, fellow Sebastian fans, when was the exact moment of the game that you decided that you liked him/he was your favourite character?

Here's my take on your question. http://diwafernandez...sebastian-vael/

How lovely! Warms my heart to see such detailed words defending a character I love. If I may take a line from it:

"Comparing him between the “angst driven possessed mage” and the “brooding elf”, I’d chose Sebastian anytime"

All right, I'm sure even some people here would argue, but...that sums up my sentiments perfectly. Especially with the...saturation with those two...I even saw "Team Anders/Fenris" shirts and such. Not that there's anything wrong with their fans having fun, I just...when characters get praised so much, it becomes difficult for me to see anything but that, and they can never live up to all those favoring words. And shoot, you'd almost think they were the only love interests. I'm planning on romancing Merril almost completely out of spite XD

Plus, as your ode implied...his (semi) normality actually attracted me amidst some of the weirdness. This may be an odd comparison, but that's what pulled me to Ashley Williams in Mass Effect, too.

"What made Sebastian more compelling to me is that he didn’t have any
in-depth romantic scene; that gave the illusion of him being a very
romantic and a perfect gentleman"

The irony is truly painful...I get the sense the actual romances (Anders in particular, but still) will have problematic futures at best. With Sebastian, there could have been (and hopefully still can be!) a very comfortable living. Assuming the rivalmance option...even more power and influence,everything your mother wanted for the family and then some, and both family lines would continue.

And considering Fenris and and Anders and their various...issues...I can imagine Seb looking towards Lady Hawke, thinking if he hadn't promised himself to the Maker, he could make her so much happier...

As for the age...there's a codex entry concerning the Vael family, and how they traditionally give at least one child to the Chantry for every generation. So even though it's sometimes played as his punishment...I get that feeling that was to be his fate either way. Sort of like how the game is with its plot.

[SilentK]

I finished my Hawke who romanced Sebastian a couple of days ago, wish there had been a little more of the LI-feeling in the last conversation but it was promising =) I must confess to very much wishing for a romance-scene and such with Sebastian. But I can be patient.... his story isn't finished and all good things to those who wait. Just hope that my Hawke can get some of Sebastian =)

[MoMan313]

;D

hey...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3_EgDLiTVI]Sebastian's Comments![/url]

-Edit-

FFFF! AM.GONNA.SMACK YOU UPSIDE THE HEAD FOR THE MAGE'S COMMENTS!!

-puts ears to ground- so he IS kinda like alistair in rulling.. "I never wanted to rule starkhaven"

...umm... to late? I already put in a sims medieval game with his kingdom! > and my hawke is the head knight and soon to be qquueeen!! >_> <__< >_> >_> >_> -my hawke is giving me a funny look- WHAT?! FRIENDMANCES HAVE A CHANCE TOO!

Modifié par MoMan313, 28 mai 2011 - 04:40 .

[LessThanKate]

SilentK wrote...

I finished my Hawke who romanced Sebastian a couple of days ago, wish there had been a little more of the LI-feeling in the last conversation but it was promising =) I must confess to very much wishing for a romance-scene and such with Sebastian. But I can be patient.... his story isn't finished and all good things to those who wait. Just hope that my Hawke can get some of Sebastian =)

Until new DLC or DA3 proves otherwise, I'll assume this is what really happened: kit-airheart.deviantart.com/#/d3h9ya3
(Sorry, not really an artist, just...for fun >.>  <.<)

But yeah, we know his story isn't over, though there's no sure way of knowing...what form the continuation will take. DLC is a safe bet, I think, though maybe nothing will come until the third game. For all we know, it might be in another book...I am cautiously optimistic, just emphasis on the cautious.

In addition to the chance of continuing the relationship, I'm curious to know if Sebastian will cool his head or remain furious with the whole Anders situation. If you do kill him and keep Sebastian around, he seems to have gone back to normal...but that doesn't mean everything is the same.

TV Tropes has "Berserk Button" under his name, and that seems appropriate. Anyone watch the Simpsons? That episode where Flanders's house is destroyed and when everyone does a shoddy job of helping, he just snaps? It's not a perfect comparison, but...it sort of reminds me of that; of a guy who tries to be nice to a near inhuman degree until he finally snaps.

I can almost imagine Sebastian just shouting at everyone about all their faults and all the crap he's put up with for years (not that they all deserve it...really, Hawke or Aveline would have just as much a right, but that's not my point), then he finally gets to Anders and says firmly, "You are the worst human being I have ever met." ...And Anders would proceed to say, "Whew! I got off easy!"

Then I thought...maybe it's not just a mental snap, rather something being repressed coming forth. Maybe his wild years were more than just drinking and whoring; perhaps he was an angry, violent young man as well. Maybe he was a danger to himself and everyone around him, and the Chantry was a gilded cage to force him to calm down in its containment. And maybe he knows that, and that's part of why he's so reluctant to leave. Maybe it's all part of what the demon stirred in him, and this is all still a part of his personality. Outside the peace of the Chantry, there's risks and temptation all around, and he doesn't trust himself to expose himself to them again and figures it's much safer to simply stay away. 

I don't really want to lose kind and sweet Sebastian, but...well, we all need balance. Be it a temporary lapse or his whole personality coming undone, this requires confrontation and closure.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 28 mai 2011 - 06:21 .

[Xilizhra]

You know, Sebastian almost got me to kill Anders. Almost. Unfortunately, I don't believe he'd be a reliable ally in the mage/templar war even if I did kill Anders; he's too attached to the Chantry and even if he'd fight the rogue templars, how far would he be willing to go to defeat the organization that allowed them so much undeserved power in the first place?

Though, does anyone here disagree? Could Sebastian do more for the mage cause than Anders?

[SilentK]

ha ha ha =) thanks @LessThanKate that's probably just what happened. They only forgot to tell about it. Jupp.... must be so.

I really don't know where Sebastian goes after this, hmmm... Hoping that the new pics we are seeing are Starkhaven and that that will bring some extra Sebastian dialouge. That would be great!

[LessThanKate]

Xilizhra wrote...

You know, Sebastian almost got me to kill Anders. Almost. Unfortunately, I don't believe he'd be a reliable ally in the mage/templar war even if I did kill Anders; he's too attached to the Chantry and even if he'd fight the rogue templars, how far would he be willing to go to defeat the organization that allowed them so much undeserved power in the first place?

Though, does anyone here disagree? Could Sebastian do more for the mage cause than Anders?

Honestly, if you're deciding based solely on the possible mage movement...I can't say Sebastian would be the go-to guy for that. His concerns involve the Chantry and Starkhaven. I killed Anders not because he wasn't a valuable ally (and I mean that in terms of politics and game mechanics...which, sadly, as a warrior, he was very much so) but because I thought what he did was cowardly and unethical.

There are different ways of looking at it, though. We have no idea what Sebastian is up to when the story ends. Maybe he goes back to Starkhaven, friend or rival, since Anders took away his...comfort zone. If that's the case, and assuming he does get the throne back, he would be in a position of great power and influence. There's a lot of potential for him to be extremely helpful in the mage/templar mess...but considering what has happened to him thus far, helping the mages might take...a lot of persuading.

SilentK wrote...

ha ha ha =) thanks @LessThanKate
that's probably just what happened. They only forgot to tell about
it. Jupp.... must be so.

Indeed! For the time being, I reject Bioware's reality canon and substitue my own! XD

Modifié par LessThanKate, 28 mai 2011 - 10:08 .

[Xilizhra]

Honestly, if you're deciding based solely on the possible mage movement...I can't say Sebastian would be the go-to guy for that. His concerns involve the Chantry and Starkhaven. I killed Anders not because he wasn't a valuable ally (and I mean that in terms of politics and game mechanics...which, sadly, as a warrior, he was very much so) but because I thought what he did was cowardly and unethical.

Well, I'm not deciding on sentiment; dead is dead and now that the war is beginning in earnest, I want to keep one of my stronger allies close, unless Sebastian has more to offer.

There are different ways of looking at it, though. We have no idea what Sebastian is up to when the story ends. Maybe he goes back to Starkhaven, friend or rival, since Anders took away his...comfort zone. If that's the case, and assuming he does get the throne back, he would be in a position of great power and influence. There's a lot of potential for him to be extremely helpful in the mage/templar mess...but considering what has happened to him thus far, helping the mages might take...a lot of persuading.

His conviction in the mage ending seems extremely weak, even moreso than Aveline and Fenris, who are actually enthusiastic after being persuaded. I agree with you, and my original position, in that I seriously doubt his reliability.

[LessThanKate]

Xilizhra wrote...
Well, I'm not deciding on sentiment; dead is dead and now that the war is beginning in earnest, I want to keep one of my stronger allies close, unless Sebastian has more to offer.

Sentiment probably is a big part of it for me, but being a good ally isn't just being on the same page. This may be biased since I was rivals with Anders, but the description for the whole system was not that rivals hated you, but they were supposed to respect your views even if they disagree. So, I go on a little scavenger hunt--which included fighting a High Dragon--because (metagaming aside) I thought I was helping Anders be rid of his possession. When it's revealed that that is NOT his intent, and I refuse to help him any further, he says he doesn't trust me and proceeds to use the concoction to blow up the Chantry. So he basically uses my good intentions against me. That doesn't sound like anyone I'd ever want to have my back.

Actually...this happens either way, correct? The quest for sela petrae and drakestone is still there, he'll just say "we were both wrong" instead of "you were right all along"? It might be worse for people who were friends with him.

Some of this might be a result of his possession, but even so...these do not make the qualities of a good ally. Going off to do your own thing without any consent or regard to the other sounds like the complete opposite of an ally. I would have to agree with what Sebastian says when Anders is romanced; he really won't think twice about doing what benefits him over what Hawke wants or what be good for Hawke. If nothing else, Sebastian is honest about his intentions. He may very well go to war with Kirkwall and come after you and Anders, but  he sure didn't pretend to be on your side only to pull the carpet right from under your feet later.   

Xilizhra wrote...
His conviction in the mage ending seems extremely weak, even moreso than Aveline and Fenris, who are actually enthusiastic after being persuaded. I agree with you, and my original position, in that I seriously doubt his reliability.

I can't speak for Fenris yet, since I sided with the mages on one save and...since I'm a 2H warrior I never brought him, so...I never did his personal quest and...I had to kill him. Whoops. But I don't recall Aveline ever being very enthusiastic. All I recall her saying was something like, "All right, I see what you're doing,". It's not to say Sebastian is more entusiastic...I recall him saying "I can't believe I'm doing this, but the Knight Commander must be stopped!", so his willingness is more relevant to the situation, not reflecting how he feels about the mages issue.

Now, later on, when I did with the mages, he said how he saw Anders when he looked upon the mages. It doesn't speak too well, although it might just mean he's speaking out of hatred for Anders. So he could be a supporting ally so long as the movement doesn't involve or support the anarchy Anders was going for. If the argument is made that what Anders did is examplify what mages ought to do...then maybe he would be the better ally. For a while. But I wouldn't trust him enough to stay on my side as soon as there was a disagreement on direction.

So I would say that while Sebastian may not be number one on the list for allies to the mages' cause, I would still pick him over Anders, as I believe he has the better makings of a good, solid ally.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 28 mai 2011 - 11:45 .

[Xilizhra]

Actually...this happens either way, correct? The quest for sela petrae and drakestone is still there, he'll just say "we were both wrong" instead of "you were right all along"? It might be worse for people who were friends with him.

When friended, he's fully cognizant of what he's doing... sorta. He and Justice fuse into a cohesive whole. He doesn't like the fact that he had to do it (there's a line about "there is nothing you can say to me that I have not already said to myself"), but accepts its necessity. There's an option to say you might have understood if he'd just told you; he responds by saying he wanted to, but was afraid that you'd try to stop him, or worse, that you'd try to help.

Some of this might be a result of his possession, but even so...these do not make the qualities of a good ally. Going off to do your own thing without any consent or regard to the other sounds like the complete opposite of an ally. I would have to agree with what Sebastian says when Anders is romanced; he really won't think twice about doing what benefits him over what Hawke wants or what be good for Hawke. If nothing else, Sebastian is honest about his intentions. He may very well go to war with Kirkwall and come after you and Anders, but he sure didn't pretend to be on your side only to pull the carpet right from under your feet later.

I don't believe his threat about an army, but am not that happy about him running off in any case, though I know why he did it.

I can't speak for Fenris yet, since I sided with the mages on one save and...since I'm a 2H warrior I never brought him, so...I never did his personal quest and...I had to kill him. Whoops. But I don't recall Aveline ever being very enthusiastic. All I recall her saying was something like, "All right, I see what you're doing,". It's not to say Sebastian is more entusiastic...I recall him saying "I can't believe I'm doing this, but the Knight Commander must be stopped!", so his willingness is more relevant to the situation, not reflecting how he feels about the mages issue.

When you talk to her in the Gallows, at the end of her conversation, after Hawke says she never wanted to mess up her life, Aveline says "Hawke? It's worth it. Let's go bust some heads like the old days." And Fenris gives you a Tevinter battle salute after saying with some admiration how strange the places Hawke leads him are.

Now, later on, when I did with the mages, he said how he saw Anders when he looked upon the mages. It doesn't speak too well, although it might just mean he's speaking out of hatred for Anders. So he could be a supporting ally so long as the movement doesn't involve or support the anarchy Anders was going for. If the argument is made that what Anders did is examplify what mages ought to do...then maybe he would be the better ally. For a while. But I wouldn't trust him enough to stay on my side as soon as there was a disagreement on direction.

Mages need structure, but the Chantry should have nothing whatsoever to do with it. Could I trust Sebastian with that?