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[Xilizhra]

Sebastian isn't romanceable by men.

Judy.

I'm not a man. I'm not into men.

[rak72]

john-in-france wrote...

I was going to say the same.

Anders dead:

Rivalled Prince Sebastian is more likely to side with the mages, if Hawke does so, is a mage and is LI. If not LI then I would guess that Starkhaven comes first.

I can't really see Brother Sebastian doing so, as soon as the Divine calls the faithful, then he is more likely to become a Seeker as suggested by the end dialogue where it says that Brothers and Sisters left the Chantry to join the Seekers. Hawke and Sebastian would answer the call together if LI.

Just guessing.

The safest place to go is Ferelden, Alistair has already pledged support to apostates.

Anders isn't dead:

Rivaled - He is a really pissed off prince with an army

Friend - becomes a seeker?


Edit - I don't think it would make much difference weather or not he was a love interest.  the important thing would be to have a maxed relationship

Modifié par rak72, 13 août 2011 - 06:30 .

[john-in-france]

silentstephi wrote...

Sooooo it's done.

FINALLY.

All this awesome back and forth about the Starkhaven Prince... here's what I did with him with all those modding adventures!
Drumming Song - Sebastian and Hawke FMV

Be gentle. It's my first Dragon Age video. -.-

I think I'll send you chocolates and cookies...that is beautiful work!
Nice modding of scenes and added extras.
I'm thinking that your Hawke definitely got her man...and I'm totally jealous.

Judy

[john-in-france]

rak72 wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

I was going to say the same.

Anders dead:

Rivalled Prince Sebastian is more likely to side with the mages, if Hawke does so, is a mage and is LI. If not LI then I would guess that Starkhaven comes first.

I can't really see Brother Sebastian doing so, as soon as the Divine calls the faithful, then he is more likely to become a Seeker as suggested by the end dialogue where it says that Brothers and Sisters left the Chantry to join the Seekers. Hawke and Sebastian would answer the call together if LI.

Just guessing.

The safest place to go is Ferelden, Alistair has already pledged support to apostates.

Anders isn't dead:

Rivaled - He is a really pissed off prince with an army

Friend - becomes a seeker?


Edit - I don't think it would make much difference weather or not he was a livew interest.  the important thing would be to have a maxed relationship

If Anders isn't dead I wouldn't like to bet that any friendship remains. Bioware plot bunnies tend towards nastiness.

Otherwise yes, I think friend Sebastian unless called back to Starkhaven as Prince, is becoming a Seeker. A really weird scenario is a Seeker Prince since Starkhaven is quite religious.

[john-in-france]

Xilizhra wrote...

Sebastian isn't romanceable by men.

Judy.

I'm not a man. I'm not into men.

Ooops, sorry I didn't mean to offend.

[silentstephi]

Thanks Rak and JIP for watching it. /warm and fuzzies

As for Sebastian's 'tude at the end of the game... it varies wildly, just like he does.

Like... it's funny, I've played it where I've sided with the mages, Rivalmance'd him, and killed Anders and he just thinks the whole thing is a mess, and it's time to help those in need.

This last PT, my 'canon' for now I guess, sided with templars, still Rivalmance'd, and killed Anders and he was very 'vile maleficarm' and what not. Still think it's aftershock over Elthina though. He points out Hawke's mum and Elthina, so anyone who thought Elthina wasn't like another mom to him would be kidding themself.

[john-in-france]

Endings:
The codex is interesting, it suggests that he'll side with the mages because you convince him to (Hawke as conscience), because they are innocent, but his normal line would be kill the maleficarum.

It is sad that the vast majority of the circle mages turn out to be blood mages, and Orsino really makes me want to cry.

Romance:
Variant in Friendmanced lines.
Act 3:
Mage Hawke gets: I'm staying here for Elthina and for you.
Warrior Hawke gets: I'm staying here for Elthina.

Does Sebastian see what way the wind is blowing and feels that mage Hawke needs his protection? Which pretty much makes me sure that a mage Hawke will be safe in Starkhaven if it all turns to ashes in Kirkwall.

[rak72]

john-in-france wrote...

rak72 wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

I was going to say the same.

Anders dead:

Rivalled Prince Sebastian is more likely to side with the mages, if Hawke does so, is a mage and is LI. If not LI then I would guess that Starkhaven comes first.

I can't really see Brother Sebastian doing so, as soon as the Divine calls the faithful, then he is more likely to become a Seeker as suggested by the end dialogue where it says that Brothers and Sisters left the Chantry to join the Seekers. Hawke and Sebastian would answer the call together if LI.

Just guessing.

The safest place to go is Ferelden, Alistair has already pledged support to apostates.

Anders isn't dead:

Rivaled - He is a really pissed off prince with an army

Friend - becomes a seeker?


Edit - I don't think it would make much difference weather or not he was a livew interest.  the important thing would be to have a maxed relationship

If Anders isn't dead I wouldn't like to bet that any friendship remains. Bioware plot bunnies tend towards nastiness.

Otherwise yes, I think friend Sebastian unless called back to Starkhaven as Prince, is becoming a Seeker. A really weird scenario is a Seeker Prince since Starkhaven is quite religious.

I didn't mean friend as in they remained friends - thats completly out the door.  I mean friend as in where they were in the relationship meter at the time of the incident

[Chignon]

john-in-france wrote...

Chignon wrote...

I don't know. He isn't thinking rationally in the scene and pretty much flying off the handle. Once he'd calmed down, I don't think his first order after retaking Starkhaven would be razing Kirkwall into the ground. There's no need for it and Anders would be long gone by then.

Let me say that Biowares love for plot bites in the backside...Rivalled Sebastian may go totally nuts and really trash the whole Free Marches going after those responsible. Just because they like turning sane people into Dark Sides. Exalted March with no pity...I feel ill just thinking about it.

Why would a rivaled Sebastian do that? All the rivalry path does is encourage Sebastian to retake Starkhaven and, well, to man up. It is not a path that pushes him to be a ruthless, crazy tyrant.

Modifié par Chignon, 13 août 2011 - 07:14 .

[Nhadalie]

The video is fantastic. I have to agree with Judy. I'm totally jealous of your Hawke.


I really doubt Sebby will be in DA3, unless as a cameo.(Which I could see, if he decided to join the Seekers whenever his story is finished.) I'm pretty sure they're going to wrap up his story in a DLC, or as an expansion first. It's already been confirmed that Hawke isn't going to be the protagonist in DA3.


I really doubt they'd make Sebby end up with Empress Celene.. I have no idea where that idea could have even come from.

Bioware has never made a romanceable character end up with an NPC without finishing that character's story. That's just silly to think they suddenly would start to.

I'm not so sure that Sebastian would join the seekers though. Just because "brothers and sisters" from the Chantry suddenly decided to join the Seekers, doesn't mean that Sebby would become one too. He's technically not a brother anymore, since he hasn't renewed his vows since breaking them. I don't think he's terribly likely to retake that path after losing Elthina. I got the feeling that she was the only reason he stayed in the Chantry to begin with, because she became a mother figure to him.

[silentstephi]

Thinking about it, a Friended Sebastian would seem more inclined to go the path of a Seeker. It's not a dead given, but he has skills most Chantry brothers do not have. And I'm thinking that the Seekers are kind of like the Special Ops of the Divine. So he seems to fit right in there.

However, a Rivaled Sebastian is going to be allllll about Starkhaven. And rereading some of the info on Starkhaven, if their circle hasn't been restored, it's the next domino to fall, city wise.

I don't think the DA team would make a Starkhaven specific DLC. They might, but if they play it right it can be part of this whole continuation of Legacy dealio. There's a possessed Warden/Merrill on the loose, so they're not going to just drop that and leave.

And technically, if you don't romance Fenris or Isabela, they hook up. So does that count as NPCs having romance without the PC? :3

Thanks for watching the vid. It was tough! I'm just glad it's done XD

Also, I'm pretty jealous of my own Hawke... what does this mean I don't even

[john-in-france]

rak72 wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

rak72 wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

I was going to say the same.

Anders dead:

Rivalled Prince Sebastian is more likely to side with the mages, if Hawke does so, is a mage and is LI. If not LI then I would guess that Starkhaven comes first.

I can't really see Brother Sebastian doing so, as soon as the Divine calls the faithful, then he is more likely to become a Seeker as suggested by the end dialogue where it says that Brothers and Sisters left the Chantry to join the Seekers. Hawke and Sebastian would answer the call together if LI.

Just guessing.

The safest place to go is Ferelden, Alistair has already pledged support to apostates.

Anders isn't dead:

Rivaled - He is a really pissed off prince with an army

Friend - becomes a seeker?


Edit - I don't think it would make much difference weather or not he was a livew interest.  the important thing would be to have a maxed relationship

If Anders isn't dead I wouldn't like to bet that any friendship remains. Bioware plot bunnies tend towards nastiness.

Otherwise yes, I think friend Sebastian unless called back to Starkhaven as Prince, is becoming a Seeker. A really weird scenario is a Seeker Prince since Starkhaven is quite religious.

I didn't mean friend as in they remained friends - thats completly out the door.  I mean friend as in where they were in the relationship meter at the time of the incident

I can only say that those who played Legacy after an endgame where Anders lived, said that the Prince had disappeared completely from their party selection. Not greyed out like Bethany/Carver during their missing years. It suggests that he has left the group entirely.

Whether he comes back or not, I can't say.

Yes, I'd say that with Rivalled Prince: He comes after you and Anders. Friend Sebastian: He goes after Anders and the mages.

Maybe only a cameo role in DA3.

Modifié par john-in-france, 13 août 2011 - 08:30 .

[john-in-france]

Chignon wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

Chignon wrote...

I don't know. He isn't thinking rationally in the scene and pretty much flying off the handle. Once he'd calmed down, I don't think his first order after retaking Starkhaven would be razing Kirkwall into the ground. There's no need for it and Anders would be long gone by then.

Let me say that Biowares love for plot bites in the backside...Rivalled Sebastian may go totally nuts and really trash the whole Free Marches going after those responsible. Just because they like turning sane people into Dark Sides. Exalted March with no pity...I feel ill just thinking about it.

Why would a rivaled Sebastian do that? All the rivalry path does is encourage Sebastian to retake Starkhaven and, well, to man up. It is not a path that pushes him to be a ruthless, crazy tyrant.

We were talking about Rivalled Sebastian with Anders left alive, just for clarity.
We are warned about this by Avelines talk with Sebastian, where she suggests that Rivalled Seb is more likely to become a tyrant. I didn't pick it out of thin air.

[john-in-france]

Nhadalie wrote...

The video is fantastic. I have to agree with Judy. I'm totally jealous of your Hawke.


I really doubt Sebby will be in DA3, unless as a cameo.(Which I could see, if he decided to join the Seekers whenever his story is finished.) I'm pretty sure they're going to wrap up his story in a DLC, or as an expansion first. It's already been confirmed that Hawke isn't going to be the protagonist in DA3.


I really doubt they'd make Sebby end up with Empress Celene.. I have no idea where that idea could have even come from.

Bioware has never made a romanceable character end up with an NPC without finishing that character's story. That's just silly to think they suddenly would start to.

I'm not so sure that Sebastian would join the seekers though. Just because "brothers and sisters" from the Chantry suddenly decided to join the Seekers, doesn't mean that Sebby would become one too. He's technically not a brother anymore, since he hasn't renewed his vows since breaking them. I don't think he's terribly likely to retake that path after losing Elthina. I got the feeling that she was the only reason he stayed in the Chantry to begin with, because she became a mother figure to him.

Empress Celene was a troll quote.

Sebastian and Chastemance Hawke, renew vows to the Chantry before marriage according to Sebs proposal. Since Legacy stated we were now married...looks like we both took vows. I'm really hoping not, but the implication is there.

[silentstephi]

I'm curious though, if he was a LI and then left, if there would be some sort of possible reconciliation?


Meh, the uncertainty kills me. -.-

[silentstephi]

So how long do you think before they release [i]info[i] on a next DLC? Have they stuck to a scheduled pattern or has it always been this willy nilly?

[john-in-france]

silentstephi wrote...

I'm curious though, if he was a LI and then left, if there would be some sort of possible reconciliation?


Meh, the uncertainty kills me. -.-

You can't be a love interest at that point, the flag is set so that Anders must die. Otherwise no Sebastian romance completion. Bioware plot bunnies strike again...

Might be best for fan fiction, where I know it is heavily used.

[john-in-france]

silentstephi wrote...

So how long do you think before they release [i]info[i] on a next DLC? Have they stuck to a scheduled pattern or has it always been this willy nilly?

I am a mushroom, I grow in the dark and Bioware feeds us ****. Unknown, hopefully soon.
Since a Starkhaven DLC would just be returning plot to the game that was originally in it. Sebastian was not designed as DLC but an original part of the game. Then they released the game a year early, and didn't finish it ...then Sebastian arrived in the special edition game release, but not the standard one. We whinged and got Sebastian DLC that really wasn't.

It really is a bit of a mess.

However the rumour mill says Starkhaven is next. So I shall continue to hope.

[john-in-france]

Night all, have fun!

[Chignon]

john-in-france wrote...

We were talking about Rivalled Sebastian with Anders left alive, just for clarity.
We are warned about this by Avelines talk with Sebastian, where she suggests that Rivalled Seb is more likely to become a tyrant. I didn't pick it out of thin air.

And because Aveline -- who is already highly critical of Sebastian -- suggests this, it is something that is likely to happen?


Edit



[*]Aveline: Has Starkhaven called for it's lost prince, Sebastian? Would you give up if the city has moved on?


[*]Sebastian: Like Ferelden "moved on" after Cailan?


[*]Aveline: You've been reading.


[*]Sebastian: It's a good tale. I'm inspired by the Warden Alistair. But I doubt that's how you see me.


[*]Sebastian: I'm no tyrant, Aveline. If people die restoring my place, they will do so with full knowing. If that doesn't satisfy, so be it.


[*]Aveline: After your actions here, no it doesn't.[/list]

I assume you mean this dialogue? Which actions does Aveline mean? A rivaled Sebastian hasn't done anything differently than a friended Sebastian up to this point. Also note how she doesn't call him a tyrant or suggests that Sebastian is likely to turn into one.

Modifié par Chignon, 13 août 2011 - 09:14 .

[Nhadalie]

silentstephi wrote...

Thinking about it, a Friended Sebastian would seem more inclined to go the path of a Seeker. It's not a dead given, but he has skills most Chantry brothers do not have. And I'm thinking that the Seekers are kind of like the Special Ops of the Divine. So he seems to fit right in there.

However, a Rivaled Sebastian is going to be allllll about Starkhaven. And rereading some of the info on Starkhaven, if their circle hasn't been restored, it's the next domino to fall, city wise.

I don't think the DA team would make a Starkhaven specific DLC. They might, but if they play it right it can be part of this whole continuation of Legacy dealio. There's a possessed Warden/Merrill on the loose, so they're not going to just drop that and leave.

And technically, if you don't romance Fenris or Isabela, they hook up. So does that count as NPCs having romance without the PC? :3

Thanks for watching the vid. It was tough! I'm just glad it's done XD

Also, I'm pretty jealous of my own Hawke... what does this mean I don't even

It's possible. But I don't believe it will necessarily happen. There isn't enough evidence to say that he definitely will become a seeker or not. Would it fit him? Yes. Is it going to happen? We have no idea if it will or not.

I think a Starkhaven DLC is more likely than another DLC about Cory. Cory will definitely be followed up on in future games. But I rather doubt they'd have another DLC based around him. Why? Because Hawke and Co. seem oblivious to the fact that Cory posessed someone, and escaped. If there was another DLC about him for Hawke, it would have to come before Varric tells Cassandra about it. Which wouldn't make much sense.

You pretty much answered my point right there. Bioware has never made a character that you're in a romance with end up in a relationship with someone else, except for perhaps Alistair. And even that is your choice as to how it ends.(Whether you stay together as wardens, become his mistress, or break up with him.)

There's a huge difference between people worrying that their romanced Sebby is going to run off with someone else, and pointing out that Fenris and Izzy sleep together if you don't romance either of them.(I'm not really sure I'd even consider it a relationship between the two of them. Izzy isn't the commitment type, and I can't see Fenris taking it as more than them just sleeping together. The banter it's mentioned in would've been more awkward, and less blunt if that was the case.)

I really really don't understand where the idea of Sebby + Celene even popped up from. DA3 hasn't been officially announced yet, and there's nothing to suggest that Sebby's story will be finished in DA3. He's too attached to Hawke to move on to someone else in another game. Starkhaven is no where near Orlais, and I'm almost positive Sebby's story will be wrapped up before DA3 is even announced.

Edit: Aha. A troll. That explains everything. <_<

Modifié par Nhadalie, 13 août 2011 - 09:08 .

[Chignon]

Not to mention that Celene is way out of Sebastian's league. She's an Empress of one of the most powerful nations and he is, if he succeeds to retake his lands, the Prince of Starkhaven. Starkhaven is only a "mere" city state in comparison.

Modifié par Chignon, 13 août 2011 - 09:14 .

[rak72]

Hmm, Avaline needs to take the stick out of her butt. Like you said, Chignon, what has Seb done that Avaline hasn't??

[Chignon]

No, I meant that a rivaled Sebastian hasn't done anything that a friended Sebastian hasn't at the point the conversation takes place. So I'm wondering what she means here.

[silentstephi]

You know, I never understood this conversation between Ave and Sebastian either.

I get that she's someone that's for law, but I'm guessing maybe she just has no value for nobles. She still sees that entitled immaturity that is still present with Sebastian, so maybe she's just assuming that his decisions are still flawed.

We're not really given much details in the laws of the Free Marches, or even Starkhaven. So for all we know, Sebastian trying to take back his family's heritage could be unlawful or just part and parcile of daily life. We don't know (or at least I don't , if someone can point me to a codex/wiki I would be MUCH appreciated.)

Yea, for the most part, BW has been good at giving the player choice when it comes to their LIs. I'm def not saying that the Isa/Fenris thing is in the same league as PC/LI deal, but having those NPCs get together OUTSIDE of the PC is an awesome development. I love it because it makes the world more organic, immersing, real.