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[Ellyria]

silentstephi wrote...
Well, ok, that kind of worries me.
So does that mean we're only getting maybe one or two more story DLCs?

When you think of the story DLC for Origins they had:

Golems
Darkspawn
Witch Hunt
Leilianna

Warden Tower(base, whatever it was I can't remember off the top of my head) but this came with the CE.
Shale counts as story but she's like Sebastian, she's character DLC.

So... we've gotten Legacy... does this mean we only get one more story DLC? 
-.-
Are they not going to go the expansion route?  Just make the story DLC into something ala Awakening?  
Arg... just let us finish our Sebastian story before you start rolling in the DA3 stuff...

I'm glad that all we've gotten wind of the DA3 stuff is that... it'll happen.  But this lack of solid details for DA2 story is going to drive me away from the games again.  I'm already boycotting ME until like... January.  (Hell I still haven't even done Arrival yet.)

(Also, I'm probably missing some DLC up there, so feel free to add what I missed.)

Warden's Keep, The Stone Prisoner, Return to Ostagar, Feastday Gifts, and Feastday Pranks were all in-campaign DLC.

The Darkspawn Chronicles, Leliana's Song, The Golems of Amgarrak, Witch Hunt were all post-campaign DLC.

And of course Awakening was an expansion.

So maybe we'll get one more DLC like Legacy (where it can be during or post-campaign), two post-campaign DLCs, and one expansion. (someone did ask about an expansion, but I don't remember what the answer was. It was probably vague, haha) Hopefully there won't be any more item packs though.

EDIT: Oh, and they have the Q&A up already. Go here and select "DA2 Legacy & Mass Effect 3 Q&A LIVE". Watch David Silverman try and pronounce my twitter s/n (same as here), it's amusing. 

Modifié par Chylise, 18 août 2011 - 05:40 .

[silentstephi]

Haha that was cute, he had to pause a long time to try and say it.

And yea...hrm. We will be seeing more of the Marches it sounds like.

Goody.

Dislike that it's so far into the future... I have nothing to do right nooooooooooooow. x.x

[silentstephi]

So there's going to be more information on story based DLC next week at PAX?

Should I get my hopes up or have them horribly crushed again?

Also, rereading Stolen Throne... they have horses in Ferelden (hell, Loghain knows how to ride a mean pony), do you think Starkhaven or any of the other cities in the Free Marches would have horses?

Sucks we don't see them in game, and I think I remember hearing or reading some where that they're an Orlesian thing... but you know, it'd be nice to have some horseflesh in the game.

Just to give us the hint they're there? Really? >.>

[Xilizhra]

Apologies if I've asked derivatives of this question too many times, but...

How helpful would a friended Sebastian be to the mage cause? I've written him off as a rival because he'd have to put Starkhaven first and his commitment to anything worldly beyond that would be unreliable, but if friended, his commitment would be spiritual and he'd have more of a range of choices for what he'd do in worldly matters. He supports the Chantry, but likely wouldn't support the templars if they split off... so what would he do?

[silentstephi]

It's hard to guess for me. I mean, he seems more sympathetic to the abuses specific to Kirkwall and their Circle/Templars.

So once it's delt with there... I'm guessing a Friended Sebastian might take more or less the Chantry's side. He may not be as neutral as Elthina was (look where it got her) but I think he'd almost fall into the same category as Cullen.
Thinking the Circle keeps mages from harming themselves as well as others.

Does that make sense? Help at all?

[Xilizhra]

Yes, but it's making me increasingly pretty sure that whatever nuttiness Anders might have, he'll be more of a reliable ally than Sebastian. And I do like him, he's just... he practically kicks himself out of my party.

[silentstephi]

Eh, depends. Is your Hawke's goal to go on the Crusade for mages everywhere? That's pretty much the choice you'll have to make for Anders. And if you side with the Templars and keep Anders, doesn't he leave anyway? I heard there was a bug for this.

Sebastian may waffle (ha) but I think he would stick with Hawke if he was a Brother. (Not if he was a Prince though. Then it's a duty to Starkhaven.)

I don't think you can really rely on Anders by the end of the game though. Sebastian may not have made a firm decision until the end there, but he's never lied to you.
Anders does so, and will again, as long as it furthers his cause. I find Anders to be the more unreliable. But that's just my thoughts on it. XD

[Xilizhra]

My Hawke plans on getting into the war, yes. She doesn't feel she has much of a choice on the matter; she could hide from it, but that'd effectively be betraying her own people. The only way I can see it working is if Sebastian was somehow convinced that mage freedom was truly Andraste's will, and I find that a bit hard to imagine Hawke pulling off.

[smigetz]

i liked him till the end

[LessThanKate]

silentstephi wrote...

So there's going to be more information on story based DLC next week at PAX?

Should I get my hopes up or have them horribly crushed again?

I...wouldn't get my hopes up too high. Sebastian was the first DLC; seems realistic any related content wouldn't come out until later. Assuming there's even to be any Starkhaven DLC, I'd guess it'd be the...maybe second to last we would get. So I'm not expecting much for a few months.

...That's not to say we can't get anything from upcoming DLC. Maybe some banter that's not a kick in the uterus.

[john-in-france]

Xilizhra wrote...

My Hawke plans on getting into the war, yes. She doesn't feel she has much of a choice on the matter; she could hide from it, but that'd effectively be betraying her own people. The only way I can see it working is if Sebastian was somehow convinced that mage freedom was truly Andraste's will, and I find that a bit hard to imagine Hawke pulling off.

Ok the only problem with rivalled Sebastian is that he does not propose to Hawke, but the Viscountess of Kirkwall. To be that, you have to do Templar ending. (I've been double checking dialogue for my story)

I can see Brother/Prince Sebastian protecting his LI mage Hawke to the death, whichever ending. I get the marriage confirmations from both endings with friendmanced Sebastian in Legacy. He may not have a choice but to retake Starkhaven to keep his Hawke free from retribution, so it could possibly become a safe place for apostate mages similar to Alistair and Ferelden. That is seeing the story from your viewpoint, or trying too. They could of course go to Ferelden as well.

In the original game there seems to have been a second route to becoming Viscount, namely that of influencing the nobles. Having done that route several times, it doesn't seem to go anywhere. Varric still says Viscount/ess only on Templar ending.

Hope that helps,
Judy

[john-in-france]

Xilizhra wrote...

My Hawke plans on getting into the war, yes. She doesn't feel she has much of a choice on the matter; she could hide from it, but that'd effectively be betraying her own people. The only way I can see it working is if Sebastian was somehow convinced that mage freedom was truly Andraste's will, and I find that a bit hard to imagine Hawke pulling off.

You may need to think carefully on that one.

There is a book in Origins that suggest that Andraste was in fact a mage. Sebastian may have read a copy.

Mage freedom: define it?

An untrained mage is still dangerous, and vulnerable to demons. So mage schools would still be necessary, so would decent Templar (the ones who want to protect mages, not defile them). I would see these schools as being a much more open version of a circle, more of a boarding school.

Once trained, I would support greater mage freedom. Mages living in normal communities or mage communities, with some oversight, controlled by their own, with Templars only acting to bring down mage criminals for example.

I can't say that I want to see a Tevinter Imperium where mages rule and think of normal people as mundanes to be used and abused. There needs to be a balance.

Mages need to become part of the community, including marriage. (My Warden Amell speaking there, after the debacle with Alistair)

Judy

[john-in-france]

LessThanKate wrote...

...That's not to say we can't get anything from upcoming DLC. Maybe some banter that's not a kick in the uterus.

I know....I wish that they'd get the companions to acknowledge the relationship with Sebastian. So far just the one banter from Bethany/Carver in Legacy if you friendmanced.

What do we really want? I'd like some form of romance closure...to hear about a wedding that I didn't see just made me really annoyed at Bioware. We're cheated of even a chaste kiss in DA2, then we get no wedding scene...it wouldn't surprise me if the Carta attack in Legacy happened on the wedding night...just to twist the knife.

Bioware are you reading this? Starkhaven for Act 4 please, no more DLC that can be played at any time in the game, we want something solid in the LI stakes. Oh, and the Fenris fangirls want the flags to work for Fenris in Starkhaven/Exhalted March.

Judy

[john-in-france]

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[Xilizhra]

There is a book in Origins that suggest that Andraste was in fact a mage. Sebastian may have read a copy.

Wasn't that considered extremely heretical and burned wherever it was found?

Mage freedom: define it?

An untrained mage is still dangerous, and vulnerable to demons. So mage schools would still be necessary, so would decent Templar (the ones who want to protect mages, not defile them). I would see these schools as being a much more open version of a circle, more of a boarding school.

Once trained, I would support greater mage freedom. Mages living in normal communities or mage communities, with some oversight, controlled by their own, with Templars only acting to bring down mage criminals for example.

I would accept this... if the templars were a wholly secular office and lacked any connection to the Chantry. Could Sebastian accept this?

[john-in-france]

Wynne in Origins is given a copy of the book, so you could ask her. I expect that the Grand Cleric may have a copy in her personal book collection as well. Also the Royal Library in Starkhaven may have a copy, who knows?

Templar could be much worse as a secular order, or better, depending on their leadership. Not all Chantry laws are bad. After all it is Meredith who pushes for the Act of Annulment, not Elthina.

Templar as police rather than prison wardens.

Perhaps Sebastian is about to make a Chantry schism in your head canon, one where they remember that originally mages served in the Chantry and were considered blessed and then voluntarily chose to enter a Circle community (Origins of the Circle book) and eventually become considered cursed. We now see the opposite movement to regain mage rights under the Andrastean faith.

Build a good mental picture of Sebastian in your head, then step into your Hawke. Hold a conversation. What does he say?

[Nhadalie]

I like the idea of mages being trained, with templars policing them. On one hand, I can't imagine mages living in among everyone else, simply because of how negatively a lot of people look at mages. But there's certainly no reason for a single mage child to be torn from their "normal" family. I kind of like the idea of the mages having their own community. But that could easily turn into a situation like the alienages, or like the Circle of Magi all over again. I'm not really sure what would be best.

At the end of the game however, Varric mentions that the Circles have all defected from the Chantry, and the templars have rebelled as well. It should be interesting to see what comes from it, since they've both left Chantry supervision.

Modifié par Nhadalie, 20 août 2011 - 04:06 .

[Xilizhra]

Would Sebastian ever come to believe, though, that mages were specifically blessed? Would it be enough for him to go against the doctrinaire position? Would Hawke's character class matter? Probably, as he'd never see Bethany if Hawke wasn't a mage...

[BlackLotus30]

TeenZombie wrote...

Petrice seems perfectly willing to kill Hawke, any humans who join her cause, and any random innocents who get in her way. The Arishok isn't interested in "conquering" Kirkwall until he's pushed too far, and even then, he considers it doing everyone a favor by making them submit to the Qun, and there would have been minimal bloodshed if people had just gone with it.

I'm not saying I'm pro-qunari, but the Arishok is far more straight forward, and almost noble in his intentions. I wouldn't be surprised if Petrice was only interested in impressing the Divine and advancing in the Chantry by stirring up anti-qunari sentiment.

And back to Sebastian, I do like that he says no to continuing to work with Anders after the explosion. But I wonder how many people let him leave because they need Anders as a healer in the endgame, and how many just don't like him because they consider him threatening when he makes his ultimatum.

Anders maybe a healer but he is not needed to kill either Meredith or Orsino. To me what he did at the end is unforgivable and does in no way contribute to the mage cause, infact he make it worse. In Sebastian shoes I would have thrown a fit if someone I trusted and respected(or maybe loved) let Anders live, it would like someone ripped my heart out threw it on the ground and jumped on it for good measure.  If sebastian has just been standing there with not reaction to Elthina death then i would have no problem kicking him out.. but he cared so Anders died.

[Xilizhra]

The mage cause is really only moving Thedaswide because of Anders. I'm just not 100% certain that Anders is needed for it anymore...but I don't want to just kill him without knowing that.

[john-in-france]

Xilizhra wrote...

Would Sebastian ever come to believe, though, that mages were specifically blessed? Would it be enough for him to go against the doctrinaire position? Would Hawke's character class matter? Probably, as he'd never see Bethany if Hawke wasn't a mage...

Doctrine changes. What your Sebastian does is up to you in fanfiction. Bioware are more likely to play the partyline (Chantry) so to speak.

I would say that yes, Hawkes class matters, it is Hawke as LI that may create a safehaven in Starkhaven (no pun intended).

[john-in-france]

BlackLotus30 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Petrice seems perfectly willing to kill Hawke, any humans who join her cause, and any random innocents who get in her way. The Arishok isn't interested in "conquering" Kirkwall until he's pushed too far, and even then, he considers it doing everyone a favor by making them submit to the Qun, and there would have been minimal bloodshed if people had just gone with it.

I'm not saying I'm pro-qunari, but the Arishok is far more straight forward, and almost noble in his intentions. I wouldn't be surprised if Petrice was only interested in impressing the Divine and advancing in the Chantry by stirring up anti-qunari sentiment.

And back to Sebastian, I do like that he says no to continuing to work with Anders after the explosion. But I wonder how many people let him leave because they need Anders as a healer in the endgame, and how many just don't like him because they consider him threatening when he makes his ultimatum.

Anders maybe a healer but he is not needed to kill either Meredith or Orsino. To me what he did at the end is unforgivable and does in no way contribute to the mage cause, infact he make it worse. In Sebastian shoes I would have thrown a fit if someone I trusted and respected(or maybe loved) let Anders live, it would like someone ripped my heart out threw it on the ground and jumped on it for good measure.  If sebastian has just been standing there with not reaction to Elthina death then i would have no problem kicking him out.. but he cared so Anders died.

I agree. Anders never survives my endgame, regardless of whom I side with.

[Xilizhra]

john-in-france wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Would Sebastian ever come to believe, though, that mages were specifically blessed? Would it be enough for him to go against the doctrinaire position? Would Hawke's character class matter? Probably, as he'd never see Bethany if Hawke wasn't a mage...

Doctrine changes. What your Sebastian does is up to you in fanfiction. Bioware are more likely to play the partyline (Chantry) so to speak.

I would say that yes, Hawkes class matters, it is Hawke as LI that may create a safehaven in Starkhaven (no pun intended).

Geh. I can never romance him; my heart belongs to Merrill and I'm not into men in any case. Also, Sebastian's story could still continue in-game, and I'm trying to decide based on that.

[john-in-france]

Xilizhra wrote...

The mage cause is really only moving Thedaswide because of Anders. I'm just not 100% certain that Anders is needed for it anymore...but I don't want to just kill him without knowing that.

In the banter Varric says that he is writing an epic tale of an apostate mage fighting against impossible odds...sadly to make the story work that mage has to die. It suggests that Varric himself will tell the tale.

I think Anders as a martyr would inspire the mage cause more than Anders the man. One of my few regrets in killing him - he becomes a rallying cry. Remember Anders! From mouth to mouth and circle to circle, his name lives on.

[Xilizhra]

john-in-france wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The mage cause is really only moving Thedaswide because of Anders. I'm just not 100% certain that Anders is needed for it anymore...but I don't want to just kill him without knowing that.

In the banter Varric says that he is writing an epic tale of an apostate mage fighting against impossible odds...sadly to make the story work that mage has to die. It suggests that Varric himself will tell the tale.

I think Anders as a martyr would inspire the mage cause more than Anders the man. One of my few regrets in killing him - he becomes a rallying cry. Remember Anders! From mouth to mouth and circle to circle, his name lives on.

It seems that everyone remembers Hawke regardless, not Anders.