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Xilizhra wrote...

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Would Sebastian ever come to believe, though, that mages were specifically blessed? Would it be enough for him to go against the doctrinaire position? Would Hawke's character class matter? Probably, as he'd never see Bethany if Hawke wasn't a mage...


Doctrine changes. What your Sebastian does is up to you in fanfiction. Bioware are more likely to play the partyline (Chantry) so to speak.

I would say that yes, Hawkes class matters, it is Hawke as LI that may create a safehaven in Starkhaven (no pun intended).

Geh. I can never romance him; my heart belongs to Merrill and I'm not into men in any case. Also, Sebastian's story could still continue in-game, and I'm trying to decide based on that.


Much simpler. Just save one game as Anders dies, then side with the mages with friend Sebastian.

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Xilizhra wrote...

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The mage cause is really only moving Thedaswide because of Anders. I'm just not 100% certain that Anders is needed for it anymore...but I don't want to just kill him without knowing that.


In the banter Varric says that he is writing an epic tale of an apostate mage fighting against impossible odds...sadly to make the story work that mage has to die. It suggests that Varric himself will tell the tale.

I think Anders as a martyr would inspire the mage cause more than Anders the man. One of my few regrets in killing him - he becomes a rallying cry. Remember Anders! From mouth to mouth and circle to circle, his name lives on.

It seems that everyone remembers Hawke regardless, not Anders.


That is only because Varrics present tale is the tale of Hawke told to Cassandra.

It would be nearly impossible for Anders name to disappear, the Chantry would make sure of that - Anders as villain.
Obviously the mages would have a counter - Anders as hero or catalyst.

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 Soooo, Sebastian made his way into my dreams the other night... and dream me didn't even get any of that, even though she was constantly chasing him down. Sebastian's such a tease, even in my dreeeeeeeeeeeams. :lol:

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Chylise wrote...

 Soooo, Sebastian made his way into my dreams the other night... and dream me didn't even get any of that, even though she was constantly chasing him down. Sebastian's such a tease, even in my dreeeeeeeeeeeams. :lol:


I'm not sure if I should call you lucky or not :P

Actually, I was pleasantly surprised by the notion of a "chaste romance". I like picking my own love interests, but a lot of these romances seem to go down a similar road: "I have problems, you have problems. We don't know what will happen tomorrow so let's do it now," it doesn't exactly thrill me. Why do I need to see furious making out followed by a flash of flesh before fading to black anyway? I would gladly take a continuously flourishing relationship and showing genuine affection and care for one another. I'm not saying it's never acceptable or appropriate, but it all seems to go there eventually.

...Sadly, Bioware seems to think "chaste" is synonymous with "virtually nonexistent". But I'll wait. He's worth it.

Also, in lieu of additional insight on the whole templars and mages issue, I feel you should all be aware of this: www.youtube.com/watch

There's a proffessional named Sebastian? It's a sign from the Maker himself! I know he's Polish, but...well, I've seen a couple wonderful pieces of our prince in a kilt...I think that needs to be taken a step further.

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LessThanKate wrote...

Also, in lieu of additional insight on the whole templars and mages issue, I feel you should all be aware of this: www.youtube.com/watch

There's a proffessional named Sebastian? It's a sign from the Maker himself! I know he's Polish, but...well, I've seen a couple wonderful pieces of our prince in a kilt...I think that needs to be taken a step further.

I'm not sure what that's called off hand, but I giggled the entire time. Because it was in a movie, and the dude doing it ended up wrecking someone's car.. :lol: Made of Honor is a great movie.


I'm still not sure about the kilt thing though.. I think I'd have to see Sebby in a kilt first. Shirtless of course too. Uhm. To even out the fact that he's technically wearing the equivalent of a skirt. Certainly not for any other reason.



On a side note, I want dreams about Sebby. I keep getting Anders dreams. ~sigh~ Or better yet, a dream with Anders, Sebby, and Fenris! Preferably without them all trying to kill Anders. Er.. I'm a terrible fangirl. :whistle:




Also, Sebastian is really hard to draw.. At least I think so. I attempted to draw him a few weeks ago, and he ended up looking kind of like John Travolta... I have no idea how it happened. It kind of scared me away from attempting to draw him ever again. :unsure:

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#1931
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john-in-france wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

How do most people here romance Sebastian? Friend or rival?


I think that the vast majority wish to become Princess of Starkhaven , so play for the safe option on that one...Rivalled.
Some of us like the friendmance true love angle. (ok, I suck at rivalling Sebastian, just as badly as I hated hardening Alistair)

Go with the play that fits you personally.

Judy


Personally, that's not at all the reasoning I had for choosing the rivalmance and I think it would be best if we could avoid these kind of blanket statements in the future.

Firstly, I have to admit that I personally was really intrigued by the prospect of a political alliance with the promise of something more between two game characters. It has so much potential and is sadly woefully unexplored.

Yes, he is happy in the Chantry, but what about his home? His duty to Starkhaven he spent talking about for the better part of the last years he's known Hawke? It is in the hands of a complete simpleton who is quite frankly nothing more than a puppet to the interest and influence of others, and the people of Starkhaven know that.

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I'm pretty sure I've stated it before, but most if not all my Hawke's could care less about being princess of anything. Like Chignon, I think rivaling him has less to do with Hawke's desires (even though it is her influence) and more about the people he's responsible for.

If he has the opportunity to do something about it, he damn well should. But during the game he's being given the luxury of choice, and waffling back and forth on it. The swift kick in the pants that is Elthina's death is what gives that final push to MAKE A BLOODY CHOICE.

Now, becoming Vicount/Vicountess of Kirkwall could be made a lot more complicated when you toss Starkhaven and Sebastian into the mix. For the most part the Free Marches have been just a collection of City States.
Now you have a close alliance (through marriage maybe? not definite) between two of them... what's to say that the other city states might react poorly to it?
And think of the logistics here. If Hawke becomes Vicountess and has some time before Cassandra and crew show up, just how much support is she going to be able to give Sebastian's retake of Starkhaven when Kirkwall is still a mess?

Plus you're living in two different cities. And if he DOES take back Starkhaven... that's one heck of a long distance relationship.

I'm starting to think the Rivalmance is just doomed from the start. Then again, we don't know how much time has passed between the fight with Meredith and when Cassandra and crew show up.

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Yes we do. Three years.

#1934
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randomcheeses wrote...

Yes we do. Three years.

Where is it mentioned?  I must have missed it.

#1935
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Can't remember. Possibly the game guide or the da wiki. But it's the reason for that 'choices over a decade' marketing spiel. Act 3 is 937 and Varric's little chat with Cassandra is 940.

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silentstephi wrote...

I'm pretty sure I've stated it before, but most if not all my Hawke's could care less about being princess of anything. Like Chignon, I think rivaling him has less to do with Hawke's desires (even though it is her influence) and more about the people he's responsible for.

If he has the opportunity to do something about it, he damn well should. But during the game he's being given the luxury of choice, and waffling back and forth on it. The swift kick in the pants that is Elthina's death is what gives that final push to MAKE A BLOODY CHOICE.

Now, becoming Vicount/Vicountess of Kirkwall could be made a lot more complicated when you toss Starkhaven and Sebastian into the mix. For the most part the Free Marches have been just a collection of City States.
Now you have a close alliance (through marriage maybe? not definite) between two of them... what's to say that the other city states might react poorly to it?
And think of the logistics here. If Hawke becomes Vicountess and has some time before Cassandra and crew show up, just how much support is she going to be able to give Sebastian's retake of Starkhaven when Kirkwall is still a mess?

Plus you're living in two different cities. And if he DOES take back Starkhaven... that's one heck of a long distance relationship.

I'm starting to think the Rivalmance is just doomed from the start. Then again, we don't know how much time has passed between the fight with Meredith and when Cassandra and crew show up.


The only thing that appeals to me about becoming Vicountess is that I can imagine Hawke finally getting to verbally abuse Seneschal Bran like she's dreamed about all these years.  But other than that, it seems like a huge headache, especially with the threat of an Exalted March (even if you side with the templars, it was already in the works), and having the task of rebuilding the city and trying to decide what to do about all the escaped mages, and templars with no leader appointed by a Grand Cleric.  Yikes.

Sebastian might have a huge task ahead of him in becoming ruler of Starkhaven, and ruling during the mage-templar war (especially when Starkhaven's own Circle has already been compromised), but I agree with the sentiment that he should at least try to take back his city if his cousin is incompetent.  

As a lay brother, I imagine that after the end of the game, Sebastian would be called to Orlais, since there's no more Chantry in Kirkwall.  Would he really be serving the Maker in the best way he can, if he is over there, while Starkhaven is in trouble?  To me, that's a way better reason to rival him, than wanting to be a Princess (although I am an IRL pretty pretty princess, and so are all of my characters, so it's all good...:wizard:).

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TeenZombie wrote...

The only thing that appeals to me about becoming Vicountess is that I can imagine Hawke finally getting to verbally abuse Seneschal Bran like she's dreamed about all these years.


I confess, a few of my direct/jerk Hawkes would see that as an entirely valid reason. Image IPB

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There's a few things I'd love to say and do to Seneschal Bran.

But they won't let me in the game.
-.-
More's the pity.

ANYWHO, with the Exalted March on it's way, yea, the whole place seems like an epic mess. Friday can't get here fast enough...

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silentstephi wrote...

There's a few things I'd love to say and do to Seneschal Bran.

But they won't let me in the game.
-.-
More's the pity.

ANYWHO, with the Exalted March on it's way, yea, the whole place seems like an epic mess. Friday can't get here fast enough...


Haha, Me too.  Damn you Isabella, why did you have to go give him crabs too.

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john-in-france wrote...

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Our Pure Love by Dakkita on SSG DeviantArt


Haha, the look in his eyes tells me it won't stay pure very long.

Thats a really nice pic

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Sadly it looks as if we will have to wait and see how it all pans (rivalmance vs friendmance) out if Bioware ever write it that is. Being honest all the ideas in our heads are really just fanfiction and how we see it happening.

If there is a Starkhaven DLC, I would assume that Sebastian goes to Starkhaven regardless of romance option, otherwise it would be difficult to code. Then I think anyone with Sebastian as LI will get their man...hopefully, and a Starkhaven wedding scene. Then again with Bioware that could be wishful thinking.

I noticed over on Kinkmeme that someone has actually prompted for the wedding and what came after, so if an author anon picks it up, I'll let you know. Busy reading Alistair/F!Hawke fic at the moment.

Another Dakkita....
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Chylise wrote...

 Soooo, Sebastian made his way into my dreams the other night... and dream me didn't even get any of that, even though she was constantly chasing him down. Sebastian's such a tease, even in my dreeeeeeeeeeeams. :lol:


Don't go there...that way lies madness ....Image IPBImage IPB

I had a dream about a midnight swim skinny dipping with Sebastian...all chaste, sigh. I then wrote it up for my story as the day that they went hunting deer for Avelines wedding feast. (3 weeks before the start of act 3) It is amazing how fanfiction characters can come to life and demand certain plotlines.

I'm enjoying the freedom of linked short stories set between the scenes.

Anyone else writing at the moment? Do you listen to music whilst writing?
Music for todays short is Stand my Ground by Within Temptation.

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#1943
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Nhadalie wrote...

On a side note, I want dreams about Sebby. I keep getting Anders dreams. ~sigh~ Or better yet, a dream with Anders, Sebby, and Fenris! Preferably without them all trying to kill Anders. Er.. I'm a terrible fangirl. :whistle:


We can do that courtesy of Alsiony on DeviantArt. Marian shouldn't have drunk the mannip from the Black Emporium...

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That picture is fantastic.  I'm so jealous of Hawke right now. :lol:


She looks awfully bored. Must be difficult having a harem of guys who want to kill each other.

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I think Marian is wondering if she should have drunk the potion somewhere other than the Chantry....

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Ask Choir Boy is back from holidays and has posted 3 cartoons already. :)

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Yeay, I love ask the choir boy. Do you have the link? I couldn't find it back there/

edit - NM, found it on page 68

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john-in-france wrote...

Chylise wrote...

 Soooo, Sebastian made his way into my dreams the other night... and dream me didn't even get any of that, even though she was constantly chasing him down. Sebastian's such a tease, even in my dreeeeeeeeeeeams. :lol:


Don't go there...that way lies madness ....Image IPBImage IPB

I had a dream about a midnight swim skinny dipping with Sebastian...all chaste, sigh. I then wrote it up for my story as the day that they went hunting deer for Avelines wedding feast. (3 weeks before the start of act 3) It is amazing how fanfiction characters can come to life and demand certain plotlines.

I'm enjoying the freedom of linked short stories set between the scenes.

Anyone else writing at the moment? Do you listen to music whilst writing?
Music for todays short is Stand my Ground by Within Temptation.


I'm writing a fanfic about Nathaniel.  I listen to game soundtrack and British and Irish folk music to get into the period.

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<3 Nathaniel