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[Jackalope]

I'm glad to hear people seem to be doing okay rivalmancing without being total jerks. I was worried I was just going to hit the 'red' choice everytime. I agree with you, Sagequeen. I love my renegon Femshep, so it's just a matter of thinking of her when I'm playing DA2.

Now that I think about it, Garrus and Sebastian aren't too different...good snipers, nice voices, don't handle grey zones very well...

[Illusionary Ennui]

@Jackalope - It's just a mattering of being tactful, to be honest. I wrote my rivalmance guide because I usually play a Displomatic/Helpful mage Hawke who tries to please everyone, but she understands that not everyone is cut out to be an apostate nor does she accept blood magic and she knows that sometimes you need to be forceful to do what's right.

With regard to the prince and his quests, you need to be decisive - something Sebastian is not. Emotional, yes. Decisive, no. More often than not, most of the important dialogue choices are not one of the three personality types and only a few are Aggressive, although in Sebastian's case, as I said earlier, those choices are just decisive. Instead of steering him to stay content, we give him purpose beyond the simple life he's merely accepted.

Modifié par Illusionary Ennui, 03 septembre 2011 - 09:06 .

[Chignon]

sagequeen wrote...

ooh!

seriously wish there was a little more sebastian to this romance, much as i love it. more cutscenes and so on.

though i am seriously loling (<-- a word?) at having him in party with my warrior. on auto-level he's a little...delicate. i keep having to run over and keep the mobs off of him with hawke's biga** sword. it's pretty hilarious, really.

and seriously, chig, i am loving the renegon path (relatively speaking). i'm playing this hawke as a 'take no stupid chances' kind of gal and she manages to be noble in a very ruthless way. it's very mediveal. or machiavellian. or both, really, sort of the same thing. i'm thinking she could be a medici. anyhow...

so yeah! thanks for noah and the inspiration.

Trust me, most of us wish that. I was a bit disappointed that the rivalry and friendship romance had essentially the same dialogue with little to no variation except for the end.

I can see why that would be funny! My mage is nearly as squishy as Sebastian so I always take Fenris, Carver or Isabela along.

You're most welcome! I'm so glad you like the Renegon path and you make an interesting comparison.

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[LessThanKate]

Jackalope wrote...
Now that I think about it, Garrus and Sebastian aren't too different...good snipers, nice voices, don't handle grey zones very well...

Don't forget the urge to do right and seek vengeance!

But yeah, I had that thought, too! Throw in Nathaniel and we got ourselves a party.

Illusionary Ennui wrote...

@Jackalope - It's just a mattering of being tactful, to be honest. I wrote my rivalmance guide because I usually play a Displomatic/Helpful mage Hawke who tries to please everyone, but she understands that not everyone is cut out to be an apostate nor does she accept blood magic and she knows that sometimes you need to be forceful to do what's right.

With regard to the prince and his quests, you need to be decisive - something Sebastian is not. Emotional, yes. Decisive, no. More often than not, most of the important dialogue choices are not one of the three personality types and only a few are Aggressive, although in Sebastian's case, as I said earlier, those choices are just decisive. Instead of steering him to stay content, we give him purpose beyond the simple life he's merely accepted.

Indeed. I never agreed with the notion that you had to play one personality all the time (just most of the time...yes, consistency, but no one is nice or rude every waking moment), nor did I ever care for the idea that the rival path is simply being a jerk to that character. Depending on what kind of person your Hawke is, he/she will definetely see some companions need some guidance. It's like Hawke even says in the Long Road, "Sometimes friends push,". Sebastian most definetely needs a push.

I try to reason it by thinking a Helpful Hawke that rivalmances Sebastian is a more down to earth, stable woman. Someone to be his anchor when emotions sway and tempers flare. Someone who knows that while the clergy is a noble cause, you don't need to commit yourself to a cloister to do good in the world. Plus, as an eldest sibling (maybe even as a soldier for a non-mage Hawke) she might see the need to do right by family and...country (for lack of a better word). Keeping those things in minds help, but...it all comes down to picking your battles. 

Chignon wrote...

Super awesome pictures

He pulls off the ribbon tie quite nicely. And I always was fond of the boyfriend look.

Wearing Sebastian fluffy hoody and drinking coffee...what dreams are made of.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 04 septembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[sagefic]

love the middle one, with the belt buckle. just heard the anders+sebastion companion banter about the belt buckle and nearly laughed coffee out of my nose

[Jackalope]

LessThanKate wrote...

Jackalope wrote...
Now that I think about it, Garrus and Sebastian aren't too different...good snipers, nice voices, don't handle grey zones very well...

Don't forget the urge to do right and seek vengeance!

But yeah, I had that thought, too! Throw in Nathaniel and we got ourselves a party.

Dear Bioware, please make Garrus say something about "Duty" or "Murder" in Mass Effect 3.  This is such a better idea than Sebastian saying "The Lyrium must flow" at some point in Dragon Age 3.

Indeed. I never agreed with the notion that you had to play one personality all the time (just most of the time...yes, consistency, but no one is nice or rude every waking moment), nor did I ever care for the idea that the rival path is simply being a jerk to that character. Depending on what kind of person your Hawke is, he/she will definetely see some companions need some guidance. It's like Hawke even says in the Long Road, "Sometimes friends push,". Sebastian most definetely needs a push.

I try to reason it by thinking a Helpful Hawke that rivalmances Sebastian is a more down to earth, stable woman. Someone to be his anchor when emotions sway and tempers flare. Someone who knows that while the clergy is a noble cause, you don't need to commit yourself to a cloister to do good in the world. Plus, as an eldest sibling (maybe even as a soldier for a non-mage Hawke) she might see the need to do right by family and...country (for lack of a better word). Keeping those things in minds help, but...it all comes down to picking your battles. 

I think I'm still waiting for a "Paragon/Renegade" icon to appear.  I had trouble with that in DA1 as well.  Sometimes I wish I had that icon in real life as well.

[LessThanKate]

Jackalope wrote...


Dear Bioware, please make Garrus say something about "Duty" or "Murder" in Mass Effect 3.  This is such a better idea than Sebastian saying "The Lyrium must flow" at some point in Dragon Age 3.

Funny thing...I actually have a dude Shepard named Bastian (what can I say? I've always liked the name...even though mine is in no way like our dear Prince), so now I can't help imagine him saying, "Those Bahtahrians muhrrduhrred mah coloneh!"

Also, very....interesting fanart:



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Dat cape:wub:

...Although this is supposed to depict a hypothetical Sebastian who never got sent to the Chantry. While I'm curious about who Sebastian was before, nothing has convinced me he'd make a good ruler.

[Jackalope]

LessThanKate wrote...
Dat cape:wub:

...Although this is supposed to depict a hypothetical Sebastian who never got sent to the Chantry. While I'm curious about who Sebastian was before, nothing has convinced me he'd make a good ruler.

Kind of like the concept art for Alistair -- sometimes, capes just look damn good...

I think a Sebastian that was never sent to the Chantry would have been a horrible ruler.  Post DA2...I could see it going either way.  I'm not sure if there are any 'good' rulers in Dragon Age.  Being a king/prince/viscount in Thedas seems to put you on the fast track for getting killed.

[LessThanKate]

Jackalope wrote...

I think a Sebastian that was never sent to the Chantry would have been a horrible ruler.  Post DA2...I could see it going either way.  I'm not sure if there are any 'good' rulers in Dragon Age.  Being a king/prince/viscount in Thedas seems to put you on the fast track for getting killed.

The epilogues would have you believe that Alistair--hardened or no, married or single--is always a good ruler and nothing goes wrong, which I always found annoying (sorry, I'm not exactly his biggest fan). If I recall correctly, the Alistair/female Cousland rule is as close to a fairy tale as this dark fantasy world will allow. At least Anora and a male Cousland would argue.

But if we're just talking about the Free Marches, then yes, very much so. It seems if you're in any position of authority and try to be fair minded...you die. Interestingly enough, there always seems to be an extremist involved (Petrice, the Qunari, Anders, Meredith could probably be counted for Orsino, though she was more in power than he...in the case of her own death, I would say her extremism defeated herself). So with that in mind...I can see Sebastian's friendmance would have some appeal.

At least with a Hawke viscount, his chances of survival are pretty high. As for competence...I give him the benefit of the doubt. Might be too soon to say, but once he has that push, I think his efforts with be genuine.

However, I'm not crazy about the Machiavellian approach a lot of people seem to think he'll take. As preiously mentioned, things seem to go bad when extremism is involved. And just because a rivalry pushes him away from the Chantry doesn't mean he should forget what he learned there. His metamorphosis should be fluid; not an abrupt change, but taking in all past experiences.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 05 septembre 2011 - 04:26 .

[Illusionary Ennui]

LessThanKate wrote...

And just because a rivalry pushes him away from the Chantry doesn't mean he should forget what he learned there. His metamorphosis should be fluid; not an abrupt change, but taking in all past experiences.

Agreed - I think it would be best for him to take those teachings, at least as a guide, to become a better ruler than just ruling by emotion.

Modifié par Illusionary Ennui, 05 septembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[Jackalope]

LessThanKate wrote...

The epilogues would have you believe that Alistair--hardened or no, married or single--is always a good ruler and nothing goes wrong, which I always found annoying (sorry, I'm not exactly his biggest fan). If I recall correctly, the Alistair/female Cousland rule is as close to a fairy tale as this dark fantasy world will allow. At least Anora and a male Cousland would argue.

I love Alistair, but I always figured he had help between the Arl, Tegan, and Queen Cousland.  And maybe even the dog.   I'm pretty sure my Amell Warden was the real power behind the throne.

But if we're just talking about the Free Marches, then yes, very much so. It seems if you're in any position of authority and try to be fair minded...you die...At least with a Hawke viscount, his chances of survival are pretty high.

Sebastian probably read the "Being Good Sucks" and "Death by Pragmatism" pages on tvtropes.org and decided having Hawke as Viscountess is a pretty good backup plan.  Not that I think that is the reason he mentions an alliance.  I'll assume there's some affection there.

As for competence...I give him the benefit of the doubt. Might be too soon to say, but once he has that push, I think his efforts with be genuine...However, I'm not crazy about the Machiavellian approach a lot of people seem to think he'll take. As preiously mentioned, things seem to go bad when extremism is involved. And just because a rivalry pushes him away from the Chantry doesn't mean he should forget what he learned there. His metamorphosis should be fluid; not an abrupt change, but taking in all past experiences.

I don't see him as going Machiavellian either.  Had he become prince and not gone into the Chantry, I could see him bankrupting Starkhaven on some of his vices (George IV did that all the time).  I'm learning to appriciate the 'Rivals' more and more.  This current playthrough both Aveline and Sebastian have pretty much said to my Hawke, "You're methods are a little shifty but you're at least trying."  And they still stick by you.  That's a friend right there.

I am sort of curious how his entire family was murdered so efficiently.  I mean, his parents seemed bright enough to be 'prudent' with their nobles.  So what could have happened to result in the assassination of four royals?  Sebastian seems like a smart cookie.  He would probably not allow himself to get into a position where he could be betrayed.

[randomcheeses]

Jackalope wrote...
I am sort of curious how his entire family was murdered so efficiently.  I mean, his parents seemed bright enough to be 'prudent' with their nobles.  So what could have happened to result in the assassination of four royals?  Sebastian seems like a smart cookie.  He would probably not allow himself to get into a position where he could be betrayed.

This is explained in-game. Sebastian describes the Harimanns as his family's closest allies in Kirkwall. His family had no reason to think they would be a threat, and if not for Allure warping Lady Harimanns mind so that all she could think about was her petty jealousy, they never would have. Further, from the way Sebastian reacts to the Harimanns, they seem to have been close personal friends of his family as well as allies.

The way I see it, the attack by the Flint Company caught the Vaels utterly by surprise. They had prudently managed their own nobles in Starkhaven, as Seb puts it, and had absolutely no reason to suspect anyone from Kirkwall was plotting anything. It's possible the Flint Company got inside the Vael's keep/castle/stronghold/whatever by having someone dress up as a messenger with letters from their old and trusted allies the Harimanns, complete with proper seal and Lady Harimann's handwriting. Then all the messenger has to do is request a bed for the night and let in the rest of the mercenaries while everyone is sleeping. Voila, dead Vaels.

[Monica21]

 Just wondering, have I missed the proposal somehow? I'm almost done with Act II and I thought he proposed sometime during it.

[randomcheeses]

Nope, he proposes in Act 3.

[Jackalope]

And the belt comes off in Act IV...except I have yet to find Act IV...

[Monica21]

Thanks, randomcheeses! 

Jackalope wrote...

And the belt comes off in Act IV...except I have yet to find Act IV...

Yeah, I'm waiting for that too. :/

[Eranelle]

 

[Ellyria]

 Awwww, that is too adorable Eranelle. 

[Eranelle]

If and when bioware decides to continue Sebastian's story... fans will be fighting over him; more than what is happening right now.

[sagefic]

 so i finished my sebastian rivalmance. i was so bummed that there is so little content there and yet so much to like about sebastian.  anyhow, i really enjoyed playing a tough pragmatist Hawke to his idealism. 'twas fun.



"Next time, let's have MORE KISSING!"

Modifié par sagequeen, 07 septembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[Captain Crash]

Hey Seb fans.  Hoping you can clarify this for me 

Right, well I tried the Romance path and unfortunately I discovered I have the romance bug  

I was waiting for the kiss to happen and carried on waiting.  I just thought it will probably happen during the end game scene but it never did.  Much to my Hawkes dismay.

Anyway needless to say this frustrated me a bit.   Im sure my Lady Hawke is sulking too!!  Anyway what effect will this have?   Im wanting to play Legacy at some point, im assuming the dialogue will be along the lines of I havent romanced him.  

Is there an easy fix, or is she doomed to be without her Prince for the foreseeable future? 

[sagefic]

^ is there a kiss? if so, i didn't get one and i'm pretty sure i romanced him right. got the 'i won't offer you less than a prince' line at the end of the final dialog. however, i did get only a 'had we met in different times' line right before the final battle.

hmm... so yeah, i have the same question as crash there.

[rak72]

There is no kiss :-(

[Captain Crash]

ahhh I was told me there was a kiss (but nothing more) no wonder im so confused!!  

Guess theres nothing to worry about then.  phew!!    

[sagefic]