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[rak72]

I think Starhaven would need to be an expansion, not a DLC

Argh, top.  here is an oldie

Modifié par rak72, 16 septembre 2011 - 12:59 .

[Monica21]

rak72 wrote...

I think Starhaven would need to be an expansion, not a DLC.

Agreed. Which, seriously? More Sebastian time.

And I have no idea who Tallis is, so I'm going to have to find that out.

[Chignon]

I doubt that BioWare would make an expansion for an optional DLC character, though.

Giggles_Manically wrote...

As long as FemHawke gets a dress absolutely festooned with ruffles I am good.

God when I heard that I almost died.

http://www.tumblr.co...uiefPiC31qcm0i5

This would get my vote!

[Giggles_Manically]

If it is as good as Legacy I will be happy.

Not like there are any other games I want to play then really.

[Chignon]

After watching the trailer, it reminds me very much of ME2's Stolen Memories.

[Meyne]

Such a hard choice. I felt bad leaving Varric behind because I decided to take sis, Aveline, and Seb for Legacy on my Recene, but Aveline would be good for this DLC if her father's days as a chevalier are mentioned, and... well, either Varric or Sebastian would make a good escort to the party I guess but, well... choices! Arrrggg!

[syllogi]

Mark of the Assassin will be difficult to decide on a party for, mostly because of Tallis taking up a precious spot. My rogue who is saving herself for Sebastian is either going to end up with at least three rogues or leave him behind...bah. Of course, if it's like Legacy, and there's no acknowledgement of staying single for Sebastian and rivalry flirting, (I can't bring myself to call it a rivalmance, because it's SO not, I wish there was a term for whatever it actually is...), I will be a sad Mother of Dragons.

[Xilizhra]

Why can't you bring yourself to call it a rivalmance?

[syllogi]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why can't you bring yourself to call it a rivalmance?

That would make it sound like I believe there's a romance in there somewhere, and there's not.  Of course you can get the "political arrangement" conversation, but during the endgame conversation, he makes it sound like there could have been something, but there isn't anything.  Even David Gaider said that there was no actual Sebastian romance when the game came out.  Legacy legitimizes the chaste marriage, and thus the Friendmance isn't all in Hawke head, but rivalry-wise, unless there's new content down the road, I consider my Hawke who sided with the templars and had the "prince needs a princess" conversation with Sebastian to be single, even if she's interested in him.  

Of course, that's my interpretation, I don't mean to tell anyone else how to see it.  I just can't call it a rivalmance.

[Xilizhra]

You know, I think the people I feel most sympathetic to in this Sebastian romance business are the gay/bi men who were attracted to him. Bad luck there...

[syllogi]

Xilizhra wrote...

You know, I think the people I feel most sympathetic to in this Sebastian romance business are the gay/bi men who were attracted to him. Bad luck there...

If he had been a full party member, and fully romanceable, I'm sure they would have made it work.  As it is, we really don't know much at all about the Chantry's stance on homosexuality.  They don't condemn it, but they must have *some* opinion on it.  Even if Sebastian isn't interested in men, I wonder if Leliana, for instance, could marry her female Warden lover within the Chantry.  I can see how it could be controversial, but it would be really interesting to explore.

[Ellyria]

Monica21 wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think Starhaven would need to be an expansion, not a DLC.

Agreed. Which, seriously? More Sebastian time.

And I have no idea who Tallis is, so I'm going to have to find that out.

Tallis is the main character from the webseries Dragon Age Redemption, which isn't out yet.

I'd love it if Starkhaven was an expansion, but I doubt it's going to happen. So I'm hoping it's a longer DLC than the subpar stuff that was DAO's DLC, and it's not just a dungeon crawl like Legacy.

[Jackalope]

Chignon wrote...

I doubt that BioWare would make an expansion for an optional DLC character, though.

This would get my vote!

Awesome picture!  Much darker than the usual ones.  Reminds me of the art for the DLC.



Still my favorite picture so far.

[Chignon]

I don't think I've seen the larger version of this picture yet. Thanks, Jackalope!

[LessThanKate]

TeenZombie wrote...

Mark of the Assassin will be difficult to decide on a party for, mostly because of Tallis taking up a precious spot. My rogue who is saving herself for Sebastian is either going to end up with at least three rogues or leave him behind...bah. Of course, if it's like Legacy, and there's no acknowledgement of staying single for Sebastian and rivalry flirting, (I can't bring myself to call it a rivalmance, because it's SO not, I wish there was a term for whatever it actually is...), I will be a sad Mother of Dragons.

In every game so far, I've never been big on melee rogues unless I was one myself (Sigrun being the main exception because she's cute and stuff), so...I don't know what I'll be doing for this DLC. I need a supporting mage, so...I suppose I'll leave either Varric or Sebastian, depending on whether Tallis is dexterity or cunning based.

And your sentiments on the "rivalmance" are understandable. While Sebastian never flat out rejects Hawke...the pursuit never goes anywhere, either. And apparently a rivaled Sebastian suggests "a more formal alliance" to any Lady Hawke, whether she showed interest in him or not. Surely it's not asking too much for this to be rectified..I really, really don't want to settle this time.

Also...this isn't usually my deal, but...



(by http://domirine.tumblr.com/)

I'll, uh...be in my bunk.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 17 septembre 2011 - 10:13 .

[VampOrchid]

I too am hoping for Starkhaven to be more along the lines of an expansion like Awakenings and not DLC, because I never by DLC. Sad but true. Also, if he was an LI, I am hoping that they expand with that in an expansion, because I don't want that to be a dissapointment chatter like in Awakenings.

[Jackalope]

LOL at that picture...I never had Nat come up and give pointers in my archery class.

Seriously, it wasn't until just now I remembered I took an archery class in college. I was horrible at it, but I always like my three-fingered gloves. And I did slaughter an entire village of watermelons.

Personally, I wish there had been college credit for two-handed swords...

[Illusionary Ennui]

VampOrchid wrote...

I too am hoping for Starkhaven to be more along the lines of an expansion like Awakenings and not DLC, because I never by DLC. Sad but true. Also, if he was an LI, I am hoping that they expand with that in an expansion, because I don't want that to be a dissapointment chatter like in Awakenings.

I've been imagining for some time now in how they could go about it as an expansion with regards to the retaking of Starkhaven...

For those without The Exiled Prince DLC, the opening would have to include an introduction to his character, but it's doable - just tying in what would have happened and possibly go about the notion that he was trying to build up support during his time in Kirkwall.

For those who already have The Exiled Prince DLC, the expansion recognizes the relationship (if there was one) and include the scenes we would enjoy for the conclusion of the romance. For the friendmancers, he saw Starkhaven as his only option left after the loss of Elthina and the Chantry in Kirkwall. For the rivalmancers, it has become a goal, a drive.

Throughout the storyline, it would be Sebastian and the group trying to build up support by helping out various nobles/groups/people/etc and then some kind of final confrontation with Goran and whoever is pulling the strings (To be honest, I'm leaning towards that belief that the misfortune of Starkhaven isn't  because of Lady Harriman - there's something else going on... I've a monster of fanfic on backburner right now because of school, but this is something I'm trying to work with for the plot... so... spoilers... *shrugs*

Any road, it can be done - the main difference would be dialogue/proper referencing and of course, the overall conclusion and fate of the Prince and/or Hawke.

*shrugs*

Modifié par Illusionary Ennui, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:42 .

[Eranelle]

A little NSFW of Sebastian.



http://diwafernandez...-chantry-secret

Modifié par Eranelle, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:10 .

[Ellyria]

TeenZombie wrote...

Mark of the Assassin will be difficult to decide on a party for, mostly because of Tallis taking up a precious spot.

For my Sebastianmancing Hawke it won't be so bad, as she's a 2H Warrior Goddess, so I'll just swap out Fenris for Tallis. Not too sure about my Rogue or Mage though, I'm not really a fan of the Dual Wielding Rogue Companions, Leliana and Zevran got bows and Isabela sat in the Hanged Man all game. 

[LessThanKate]

Jackalope wrote...

Seriously, it wasn't until just now I remembered I took an archery class in college. I was horrible at it, but I always like my three-fingered gloves. And I did slaughter an entire village of watermelons.

Personally, I wish there had been college credit for two-handed swords...

I take it archery is one of those things that's a lot harder than it appears to be. Not that wielding a greatsword is super easy...our warrior Lady Hawkes must have callouses. Of course, I also imagine both require a lot of...arm strength.

Illusionary Ennui wrote...

I've been imagining for some time now in how they could go about it as an expansion with regards to the retaking of Starkhaven...

For those without The Exiled Prince DLC, the opening would have to include an introduction to his character, but it's doable - just tying in what would have happened and possibly go about the notion that he was trying to build up support during his time in Kirkwall.

For those who already have The Exiled Prince DLC, the expansion recognize the relationship (is they was one) and include the scenes we would enjoy for the conclusion of the romance. For the friendmancers, he saw Starkhaven as his only option left after the loss of Elthina and the Chantry in Kirkwall. For the rivalmancers, it has become a goal, a drive.

Sounds reasonable to me. They're usually able to work around where the player is in the game. For those who didn't get it, there would have to be some filling in as to how Sebastian dealt with his problems (the Flint Company Mercernaries, Allure) if at all. Then there's the question of how he survived/witnessed/learned about the Chantry explosion. I suppose all he needs is to be conveniently elsewhere...perhaps even on the horizon, leaving for Starkhaven, when he sees an eerie purple and white blaze over the hillside...

[Illusionary Ennui]

LessThanKate wrote...

Sounds reasonable to me. They're usually able to work around where the player is in the game. For those who didn't get it, there would have to be some filling in as to how Sebastian dealt with his problems (the Flint Company Mercernaries, Allure) if at all. Then there's the question of how he survived/witnessed/learned about the Chantry explosion. I suppose all he needs is to be conveniently elsewhere...perhaps even on the horizon, leaving for Starkhaven, when he sees an eerie purple and white blaze over the hillside...

He could even have been off trying to secure support from other nobles (in the absence of a Viscount) in the area or even looking for Hawke with the hopes of asking for his/her help, not realizing that he/his was in the middle of the Mage/Templar war. "I meant to seek you out, but you were already gone."

With regards to those who already possessed his DLC, it might start with "I've been meaning to ask for your help..." or something along those lines...

*shrugs* So many possiblitlies...

Modifié par Illusionary Ennui, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[Jackalope]

LessThanKate wrote...

I take it archery is one of those things that's a lot harder than it appears to be. Not that wielding a greatsword is super easy...our warrior Lady Hawkes must have callouses. Of course, I also imagine both require a lot of...arm strength.

Yes it is!  The toughest part was actually stringing the bow.  Bow strings have different weights, so you get more power, but it takes a lot more work to load the string on and then fire the bow.  I had no upper body strength at the time, so I stuck with the 20-pound the entire class.  That being said, most of the guys worked up to higher weights.  My shots bounced off the fruit, their shots would topple watermelons.

(As far as being harder than it appears...I make most sports look harder than they actually are.  Softball, volleyball, bowling...I'm like the Alistair of team sports.  Bad things happen.)

Sounds reasonable to me. They're usually able to work around where the player is in the game. For those who didn't get it, there would have to be some filling in as to how Sebastian dealt with his problems (the Flint Company Mercernaries, Allure) if at all. Then there's the question of how he survived/witnessed/learned about the Chantry explosion. I suppose all he needs is to be conveniently elsewhere...perhaps even on the horizon, leaving for Starkhaven, when he sees an eerie purple and white blaze over the hillside...

At least he's there to deal with Allure...the mercenaries are a totally different game.  I wonder if Elthina let the request stay on the Chanter's Board so someone else could do the dirty work.  If Sebastian didn't find help and had to do it himself...that would result in a different Sebastian by Act II.

To me, some of this raises a good question: should The Exiled Prince been included in the game, and not just DLC?  Too me, that final choice to side with Anders or Sebastian is a great moment in the game...I've done it both ways, and I think it's great conflict, no matter which way you go.  But if you didn't preorder or you didn't buy the DLC...you get nothing.

Shale and Kasumi are great characters, but they don't rock the plot boat.  They make saving Thedas and the galaxy more exciting, but they don't make a huge change in the storyline.

[syllogi]

Jackalope wrote...

Sounds reasonable to me. They're usually able to work around where the player is in the game. For those who didn't get it, there would have to be some filling in as to how Sebastian dealt with his problems (the Flint Company Mercernaries, Allure) if at all. Then there's the question of how he survived/witnessed/learned about the Chantry explosion. I suppose all he needs is to be conveniently elsewhere...perhaps even on the horizon, leaving for Starkhaven, when he sees an eerie purple and white blaze over the hillside...

At least he's there to deal with Allure...the mercenaries are a totally different game.  I wonder if Elthina let the request stay on the Chanter's Board so someone else could do the dirty work.  If Sebastian didn't find help and had to do it himself...that would result in a different Sebastian by Act II.

To me, some of this raises a good question: should The Exiled Prince been included in the game, and not just DLC?  Too me, that final choice to side with Anders or Sebastian is a great moment in the game...I've done it both ways, and I think it's great conflict, no matter which way you go.  But if you didn't preorder or you didn't buy the DLC...you get nothing.

Shale and Kasumi are great characters, but they don't rock the plot boat.  They make saving Thedas and the galaxy more exciting, but they don't make a huge change in the storyline.

Agreed, I think that the Exiled Prince was an experiment in making DLC that is relevant to the main plot.  Characters like Shale and Kasumi are fun, and add something to my experience of their games, but if I didn't have them, I wouldn't be missing anything, storywise.  

In Sebastian's case, if you have the DLC, you have another perspective on the main plot; Fenris may have a very good case for why mages are dangerous, but we're not in Tevinter, and it's easy to say that things are different in Kirkwall.  With Sebastian, we're seeing someone who has a very personal stake in the destruction of the Chantry, and I can't imagine not having him there.  Elthina would have a much smaller role without the DLC, also, and it's important that we get to know her.

I guess I'd have to see what they do with Starkhaven before deciding whether the DLC idea was a good one. 

[rak72]

I thought not including it in the main game was a pretty crappy thing to do.