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[Chignon]

LessThanKate wrote...

Also...this isn't usually my deal, but...

/picsnip

(by http://domirine.tumblr.com/)

I'll, uh...be in my bunk.

The artist does some really nice work:

http://www.tumblr.co...kztmV2JN1qeqqnz

http://www.tumblr.co...378wKIwL1qeqqnz



Thanks for sharing, Kate!

[Rafficus III]

Sebastian and Varric were about the only male companions I could tolerate having in my squad in DA2. He definitely is my favorite rogue in DA2 and character. I'd like to see more of him in upcoming DLC and maybe DA3.

[BlackLotus30]

Chignon wrote...

I doubt that BioWare would make an expansion for an optional DLC character, though.

Giggles_Manically wrote...

As long as FemHawke gets a dress absolutely festooned with ruffles I am good.

God when I heard that I almost died.

http://www.tumblr.co...uiefPiC31qcm0i5

This would get my vote!

I APROVE THIS!!!

[Jackalope]

So, I actually had the volume cracked up pretty high and heard some of the battle dialogue better.  My thoughts:

"Andraste forgive me!"
(Seriously, dude, it's a Pride Demon, I think you get a free pass on killing those.  You get brownie points with the Maker for that sort of thing.)

"I AM good, aren't I?"
(Okay...that did not sound like a battle-cry.)

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Sebastian and Varric were about the only male companions I could tolerate having in my squad in DA2. He definitely is my favorite rogue in DA2 and character. I'd like to see more of him in upcoming DLC and maybe DA3.

They bounce off each other quite well.  Or at least, Sebastian puts up with Varric's taunting with some level of grace.

"You know, Choir Boy, I wouldn't normally say this, but—the shiny white armor? It works for you."
"That's uncharacteristically kind of you, Varric."
"Makes you look like a lacquered pilot whale."
"Ah, now that was much more in-character."

[Rafficus III]

Jackalope wrote...
Or at least, Sebastian puts up with Varric's taunting with some level of grace.

Which is why Sebastian is my favorite companion in DA2 lol. 

[VampOrchid]

You know, I didn't really like Sebastian at first, but he's grown on me alot. I really enjoy his character more. I just wish they would have done more with him.

[Chignon]

Jackalope wrote...

They bounce off each other quite well.  Or at least, Sebastian puts up with Varric's taunting with some level of grace.

"You know, Choir Boy, I wouldn't normally say this, but—the shiny white armor? It works for you."
"That's uncharacteristically kind of you, Varric."
"Makes you look like a lacquered pilot whale."
"Ah, now that was much more in-character."

My favourite banter between the two. Sebastian takes all the teasing about his armour quite gracefully. Considering that his father had it made for him, I had thought he'd get more defensive.

Modifié par Chignon, 20 septembre 2011 - 03:52 .

[VampOrchid]

I wonder why someone would get armor made as a gift for someone for when they become a brother? That doesn't really seem like the type of thing to get someone who is suppose to be all peaceful.

[VampOrchid]

Here's a weird question. Leliana was a sister, why was it ok that she slept with the warden, but Seb won't even so much as kiss or comfort Hawke?

[randomcheeses]

Leliana was a lay sister. She lived and worked in the Chantry, but she didn't take any vows beyond a symbolic 'affirming her belief in the maker'. Sebastian on the other hand, did take vows. True he subsequently broke them, but he feels guilty about that and doesn't want to break them any further if there's still a chance of remaining in the Chantry.

[VampOrchid]

Hmm, I think no matter what he's going to end up returning to Starkhaven. Regardless of what happens, those ppl still need a leader, and since there is still part of the blood line alive, guaranteed most would vote for that option.

[VampOrchid]

I keep seeing ppl say that they saw a dev type that his story was far from over yet. I am hoping that means he will either be in the expansion or a full romancable char in da3. I would prefer the second option.

[Nhadalie]

The problem with Sebby being romanceable in DA3 is that Hawke won't be the main character in it. The devs have said that they aren't going to keep a main character going through each game like they did in Mass Effect. The warden's story is over, and once all the DLC and stuff for DA2 is done, Hawke's is too.


It's more likely that Starkhaven and Sebby's story will be covered by DLC or an expansion.


Also, according to Sebastian, sending one of your children to serve in the Chantry is standard practice in Starkhaven's ruling family.(I think anyway.. I don't remember if that's actually stated in game or not. I think a codex mentioned it.) They've always been very devout.

Modifié par Nhadalie, 21 septembre 2011 - 12:31 .

[Jackalope]

Now that I think about it...Sebastian's father must have been pretty annoyed at his son's drinking and womanizing.

Starkhaven's version of Wade: Anything you want in particular for this armor?
Papa Vael: Bend some of the metal into the shape in Andraste's face, and use it at the buckle.
Mama Vael: What?
Papa Vael: Brilliant, isn't it?

At least his father had a great sense of irony.

[Illusionary Ennui]

Jackalope wrote...

Now that I think about it...Sebastian's father must have been pretty annoyed at his son's drinking and womanizing.

Starkhaven's version of Wade: Anything you want in particular for this armor?
Papa Vael: Bend some of the metal into the shape in Andraste's face, and use it at the buckle.
Mama Vael: What?
Papa Vael: Brilliant, isn't it?

At least his father had a great sense of irony.

I read "Brilliant" and all I could hear was David Tennant...

[Jackalope]

I can't see David Tennant as Papa Vael. Strangely, I mostly think Simon Templeman would be a good pick...mostly because he does ANGRY FATHER so damn well.

[VampOrchid]

think i found the perfect seb/ hawke song...

[Huntress]

VampOrchid wrote...

Here's a weird question. Leliana was a sister, why was it ok that she slept with the warden, but Seb won't even so much as kiss or comfort Hawke?

Leliana is an afirm ( sp) i think, she is not actually a priest, she just stay in the chantry for enlightment and trying to scape her ex lover.  Seb.. well he sworn not to be involve with materials things, leliana never did that or she would have been sent to the mages prision with lily who was a sworn priest. Remember Lily?

[syllogi]

Huntress wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...

Here's a weird question. Leliana was a sister, why was it ok that she slept with the warden, but Seb won't even so much as kiss or comfort Hawke?

Leliana is an afirm ( sp) i think, she is not actually a priest, she just stay in the chantry for enlightment and trying to scape her ex lover.  Seb.. well he sworn not to be involve with materials things, leliana never did that or she would have been sent to the mages prision with lily who was a sworn priest. Remember Lily?

Leliana was a lay sister, and Sebastian is a lay brother, meaning they are not part of the hierarchy of the Chantry, and are instead "volunteers" who assist with administrative or menial tasks, and as Elthina said, Sebastian even leads the Chant.

I think the difference between the two was a choice of vows that Sebastian made:  he was coming from a lifestyle of promiscuity, so taking a vow of celibacy actually meant a lot.  Leliana was hiding in the Chantry, but I don't think that means she doesn't take it as seriously.  She just has an unorthodox view of the Maker's role in Thedas, and is probably more liberal than most who would become a lay sister.  

Lily, from the Mage Circle origin in DA:O, is an ordained sister, who has taken stricter vows, most likely, than either Sebastian or Leliana would be asked to take.  Lily wasn't sent to the mages tower simply because she wanted to run away with Jowan, she was sent there because she was involved with a blood mage.  That's very, very serious.  I really doubt that a non-mage would ever be sent there for anything less grave than that.

[randomcheeses]

TeenZombie wrote...

Huntress wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...

Here's a weird question. Leliana was a sister, why was it ok that she slept with the warden, but Seb won't even so much as kiss or comfort Hawke?

Leliana is an afirm ( sp) i think, she is not actually a priest, she just stay in the chantry for enlightment and trying to scape her ex lover.  Seb.. well he sworn not to be involve with materials things, leliana never did that or she would have been sent to the mages prision with lily who was a sworn priest. Remember Lily?

Leliana was a lay sister, and Sebastian is a lay brother, meaning they are not part of the hierarchy of the Chantry, and are instead "volunteers" who assist with administrative or menial tasks, and as Elthina said, Sebastian even leads the Chant.

I think the difference between the two was a choice of vows that Sebastian made:  he was coming from a lifestyle of promiscuity, so taking a vow of celibacy actually meant a lot.  Leliana was hiding in the Chantry, but I don't think that means she doesn't take it as seriously.  She just has an unorthodox view of the Maker's role in Thedas, and is probably more liberal than most who would become a lay sister.  

Lily, from the Mage Circle origin in DA:O, is an ordained sister, who has taken stricter vows, most likely, than either Sebastian or Leliana would be asked to take.  Lily wasn't sent to the mages tower simply because she wanted to run away with Jowan, she was sent there because she was involved with a blood mage.  That's very, very serious.  I really doubt that a non-mage would ever be sent there for anything less grave than that.

I'm pretty sure Sebastian was an ordained Brother, not a lay one. If you talk to Elthina after the scene at the Chanter's Board, she says that he was 'affirmed here nearly a decade ago' and 'had just taken vows when we got the news about his family', which suggests that he is not just a lay brother. Hence enforced vow of celibacy/chastity that he feels he has to stick to (it's probably the only vow he didn't break, which is maybe why he clings to it) that Leliana doesn't. As a lay sister, she has not taken the more serious vows that Sebastian had.

[syllogi]

randomcheeses wrote...

I'm pretty sure Sebastian was an ordained Brother, not a lay one. If you talk to Elthina after the scene at the Chanter's Board, she says that he was 'affirmed here nearly a decade ago' and 'had just taken vows when we got the news about his family', which suggests that he is not just a lay brother. Hence enforced vow of celibacy/chastity that he feels he has to stick to (it's probably the only vow he didn't break, which is maybe why he clings to it) that Leliana doesn't. As a lay sister, she has not taken the more serious vows that Sebastian had.

Here's what Elthina calls him, the first time you meet her and you're talking about Sebastian, she calls him an "initiate":  

Males can't be ordained the same way women are in the Chantry, so I guess I assumed "lay brother" is the proper term, since Leliana called herself a lay sister of the Chantry.  I still believe that whatever vows Sebastian took are voluntary, since in his short story, Elthina was very clear in wanting him to choose to stay in the Chantry for himself.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 22 septembre 2011 - 12:03 .

[R2s Muse]

TeenZombie wrote...

randomcheeses wrote...

I'm pretty sure Sebastian was an ordained Brother, not a lay one. If you talk to Elthina after the scene at the Chanter's Board, she says that he was 'affirmed here nearly a decade ago' and 'had just taken vows when we got the news about his family', which suggests that he is not just a lay brother. Hence enforced vow of celibacy/chastity that he feels he has to stick to (it's probably the only vow he didn't break, which is maybe why he clings to it) that Leliana doesn't. As a lay sister, she has not taken the more serious vows that Sebastian had.

Here's what Elthina calls him, the first time you meet her and you're talking about Sebastian, she calls him an "initiate":  

Males can't be ordained the same way women are in the Chantry, so I guess I assumed "lay brother" is the proper term, since Leliana called herself a lay sister of the Chantry.  I still believe that whatever vows Sebastian took are voluntary, since in his short story, Elthina was very clear in wanting him to choose to stay in the Chantry for himself.

For what it's worth, the codex on Chantry Hierarchy, says there are three types of "rank and file" brothers and sisters, affirmed, initiates and clerics.
"Affirmed are the lay-brethren of the Chantry, those regular folk who have turned to the Chantry for succor. "
"Only those folk who take vows become initiates. "
"Clerics are the true academics of the Chantry, those men and women who have dedicated themselves to the pursuit of knowledge."
So, it sounds like Sebastian became an "affirmed" ten years ago, and now that he's taken his vows he's an initiate. What those vows actually are is a mystery. Of course, this is also the codex that says some initiaties get martial training and become Templars.

edit: But these rank and file still seem to be below "Mothers", according to the codex, so that would still fit with what Elthina says there about him being a man, and so not serving as  Mother would.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 septembre 2011 - 12:30 .

[syllogi]

R2s Muse wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

randomcheeses wrote...

I'm pretty sure Sebastian was an ordained Brother, not a lay one. If you talk to Elthina after the scene at the Chanter's Board, she says that he was 'affirmed here nearly a decade ago' and 'had just taken vows when we got the news about his family', which suggests that he is not just a lay brother. Hence enforced vow of celibacy/chastity that he feels he has to stick to (it's probably the only vow he didn't break, which is maybe why he clings to it) that Leliana doesn't. As a lay sister, she has not taken the more serious vows that Sebastian had.

Here's what Elthina calls him, the first time you meet her and you're talking about Sebastian, she calls him an "initiate":  

Males can't be ordained the same way women are in the Chantry, so I guess I assumed "lay brother" is the proper term, since Leliana called herself a lay sister of the Chantry.  I still believe that whatever vows Sebastian took are voluntary, since in his short story, Elthina was very clear in wanting him to choose to stay in the Chantry for himself.

For what it's worth, the codex on Chantry Hierarchy, says there are three types of "rank and file" brothers and sisters, affirmed, initiates and clerics.
"Affirmed are the lay-brethren of the Chantry, those regular folk who have turned to the Chantry for succor. "
"Only those folk who take vows become initiates. "
"Clerics are the true academics of the Chantry, those men and women who have dedicated themselves to the pursuit of knowledge."
So, it sounds like Sebastian became an "affirmed" ten years ago, and now that he's taken his vows he's an initiate. What those vows actually are is a mystery. Of course, this is also the codex that says some initiaties get martial training and become Templars.

edit: But these rank and file still seem to be below "Mothers", according to the codex, so that would still fit with what Elthina says there about him being a man, and so not serving as  Mother would.

Thanks, I've never looked at this wiki page before, very interesting.  I'm curious now, though, would Sister Petrice (who becomes a Mother in Act 2) be considered a Cleric when she was a sister?  Or is she in another category?

[R2s Muse]

TeenZombie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

For what it's worth, the codex on Chantry Hierarchy, says there are three types of "rank and file" brothers and sisters, affirmed, initiates and clerics.
"Affirmed are the lay-brethren of the Chantry, those regular folk who have turned to the Chantry for succor. "
"Only those folk who take vows become initiates. "
"Clerics are the true academics of the Chantry, those men and women who have dedicated themselves to the pursuit of knowledge."
So, it sounds like Sebastian became an "affirmed" ten years ago, and now that he's taken his vows he's an initiate. What those vows actually are is a mystery. Of course, this is also the codex that says some initiaties get martial training and become Templars.

edit: But these rank and file still seem to be below "Mothers", according to the codex, so that would still fit with what Elthina says there about him being a man, and so not serving as  Mother would.

Thanks, I've never looked at this wiki page before, very interesting.  I'm curious now, though, would Sister Petrice (who becomes a Mother in Act 2) be considered a Cleric when she was a sister?  Or is she in another category?

Good question. The only example I have is that apparently Brother Genetivi was a cleric, and I imagine that priest lady in Denerim who curated relics.  But it does sort of imply that those are the steps you take to become a Mother. I wonder how different it is for women vs. men in the Chantry tho. I keep imagine reverse sexism, or whatever you'd call that, happening all the time.

[LessThanKate]

Jackalope wrote...

I can't see David Tennant as Papa Vael. Strangely, I mostly think Simon Templeman would be a good pick...mostly because he does ANGRY FATHER so damn well.

This may be a touch inappropriate and I'm sure it would never happen, but...in a flashback of the Vael family, or...perhaps a distant relative...voiced by Craig Ferguson. Just throwing that out there. Sebastian would be a little more awesome by association.

TeenZombie wrote...


Leliana was a lay sister, and Sebastian is a lay brother, meaning they are not part of the hierarchy of the Chantry, and are instead "volunteers" who assist with administrative or menial tasks, and as Elthina said, Sebastian even leads the Chant.

I think the difference between the two was a choice of vows that Sebastian made: he was coming from a lifestyle of promiscuity, so taking a vow of celibacy actually meant a lot. Leliana was hiding in the Chantry, but I don't think that means she doesn't take it as seriously. She just has an unorthodox view of the Maker's role in Thedas, and is probably more liberal than most who would become a lay sister.

In addition to actual rank, there is the matter of personal views and what it means to them. As mentioned, Leliana has a pretty radical view of things, the most notable point of that is her dream which she interprets as the Maker telling her to go with the Warden, even when it's taught the Maker abandoned the world. Even characters who have some faith, Alistair and Wynne, are skeptical. But the dream is what motivates the chatacter; even if you refuse to recruit her, I think she leaves Lothering all the same. I forget how that carries into DA2, though I can guess it's simply retconned...
 
Sebastian also shows he can be more broad-minded, as shown by his banter with Merrill about different names for the same force (just one of those little bits people love to ignore...), but he still seems traditional on the whole. Just with a little more leg room.  Even when contemplating taking back Starkhaven, his belief is still a factor. The final "questioning beliefs", he asks what Hawke think would be better to do the Maker's work, a prince or priest. Regardless of path, he will never stop believing...I've yet to harden Leliana, but I'm guessing she tries to repress or forget that part of her once it's done.

...See, it's things like this that make it all the more irritating when people say things like, "Oh Sebastian is just a male Leliana with chastity," because it's simply not true.

Also, was there something about him "renewing" his vows? I take it when he left the Chantry after his family's death, the vows were...voided, but since meeting Hawke, Elthina wouldn't allow him to redo it. 

Modifié par LessThanKate, 22 septembre 2011 - 04:07 .