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[syllogi]

randomcheeses wrote...

Male Hawke says exactly the same thing in response to Varric's 'you're still celibate' line so that dialogue is not romance specific, just like the line about the Qun. Male Hawke also asks if Sebastian is leaving him for it and gets 'never' in reply. I think the difference in Bethany's MotA scene with Sebastian depends on whether Hawke is male or female. If female you get the 'lucky bit*h' line, if male you get Bethany's 'oh maker'

So, yeah. No romance specific dialogue for Sebastian at all in MotA. Which really sucks.

So there's still no confirmation that there is any carryover flag for a rivalry romance.  

Welp, at least I know there's no point in bringing Sebastian through MotA.

[Chignon]

Great.

[Nyreen]

After reading about how little action Hawke gets, Sebastian flirting with her own SISTER, and the overall lack of Sebastian romance-related banter, I am beginning to lose interest in romancing him in my newest playthrough. Is it even worth it? I've already coupled with Anders once, and Fenris's bug eyes creep me out...if only 360 mods existed...

[Ellyria]

Celestina wrote...

After reading about how little action Hawke gets, Sebastian flirting with her own SISTER, and the overall lack of Sebastian romance-related banter, I am beginning to lose interest in romancing him in my newest playthrough. Is it even worth it? I've already coupled with Anders once, and Fenris's bug eyes creep me out...if only 360 mods existed...

I think "worth" is dependent on the person. I prefer romancing Sebastian over all the other LIs, even with his lack of romantic content. Even when I make a Hawke to romance Fenris/Anders, I still can't help but flirt with him. 

[BunnyisCthulhu]

TeenZombie wrote...

randomcheeses wrote...

Male Hawke says exactly the same thing in response to Varric's 'you're still celibate' line so that dialogue is not romance specific, just like the line about the Qun. Male Hawke also asks if Sebastian is leaving him for it and gets 'never' in reply. I think the difference in Bethany's MotA scene with Sebastian depends on whether Hawke is male or female. If female you get the 'lucky bit*h' line, if male you get Bethany's 'oh maker'

So, yeah. No romance specific dialogue for Sebastian at all in MotA. Which really sucks.

So there's still no confirmation that there is any carryover flag for a rivalry romance.  

Welp, at least I know there's no point in bringing Sebastian through MotA.

Actually, Bethany has said "Oh Maker" to Sebastian when I used my female playthroughs and hadn't flirted with Sebastian yet.

I was also quite surprised that in my Fenris and Isabela romance PT's (in which I had flirted shamelessly with Seb (he's only ever rejected me in my Andersmance PT's)), the romance dialogue still triggered in both Legacy and MotA. I wonder if Seb just overlooks those two as if they're 'temporary' whereas Merrill and Anders' are more permanent.

[Chignon]

Chylise wrote...

I think "worth" is dependent on the person. I prefer romancing Sebastian over all the other LIs, even with his lack of romantic content. Even when I make a Hawke to romance Fenris/Anders, I still can't help but flirt with him. 

I have to agree with you. Even knowing what I do now, I still prefer him over Anders, Merrill and Fenris.

Sebastian and Isabela are always going to be my favourites.

[Blessed Silence]

Jackalope wrote...

Chylise wrote...

It just seems lazy and awkward, IMO.

But not as awkward as Seneshal Bran and Serendipity.

That was beyond akward .. that is just plain messed up!

Oh!  And Dana has more lines when you have to rescue Hawke ... Sebby is in there if anyone wants to see!

www.youtube.com/watch Part 1 -- www.youtube.com/watch  Part 2

[randomcheeses]

Blessed Silence wrote...

Jackalope wrote...

Chylise wrote...

It just seems lazy and awkward, IMO.

But not as awkward as Seneshal Bran and Serendipity.

That was beyond akward .. that is just plain messed up!

Oh!  And Dana has more lines when you have to rescue Hawke ... Sebby is in there if anyone wants to see!

www.youtube.com/watch Part 1 -- www.youtube.com/watch  Part 2

About the Serendipity thing - the devs have stated it's a bug. Tallis' 'awkward' comment is only supposed to be triggered if Hawke has previously slept with Serendipity at the Blooming Rose and Serendipity comments on that. However the bug causes the line to trigger automatically. It was an honest accident and the writer who wrote the scene apologised for the bug on the forums once it was brought to her attention.

[Vlad_Dracul]

I dunno why so many players hate Sebastian. Yes, he is a little annoying, but he was a monk, and with rivalry points he shall bacame more reasonable, and Hawke could convince him in the end that relationship between Chantry and Circles must be different and be ruler is more important for good of all people than monk. Fenris is an ass no matter what as much as Anders.
By my opinion, he is actually better companion than both of them.

[Xilizhra]

Sebastian's religious leanings stay the same no matter what; all that changes is how he expresses them.

[Chignon]

Blessed Silence wrote...

Oh!  And Dana has more lines when you have to rescue Hawke ... Sebby is in there if anyone wants to see!

www.youtube.com/watch Part 1 -- www.youtube.com/watch  Part 2

Thanks for posting these!

[Vlad_Dracul]

Xilizhra wrote...

Sebastian's religious leanings stay the same no matter what; all that changes is how he expresses them.

Nope. Before Anders attack on the Chantry, he thought that mage resistance is idealistic madness. After youll kill Anders, he will tell you that Chantry cannot tolerate oppressing by their own Templars and even Andraste is with victims of  oppression.
He seems very reasonable in Gallows, still angry from Elthinas murder, but after all, he knows that this is only Anders fault, not all mages, and Templar tyranny is cause as well.
Its logic, that he still didnt agree with absolute freedom for all mages, but this is not only his opinion, but probably opinion of majority population.

Modifié par Vlad_Dracul, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:55 .

[Jackalope]

Vlad_Dracul wrote...

I dunno why so many players hate Sebastian. Yes, he is a little annoying, but he was a monk, and with rivalry points he shall bacame more reasonable, and Hawke could convince him in the end that relationship between Chantry and Circles must be different and be ruler is more important for good of all people than monk. Fenris is an ass no matter what as much as Anders.

I think that's why I like Sebastian in pretty much a favorite in all my playthroughs.  It reminds me more of the Mass Effect companions.  He pretty much sticks by and justifies siding with templar or mages no matter what.  ("Stop these blood mages" versus "Tyranny of Templars" and "Both sides are dispicable"...for a guy who doesn't have the luxery of replaying the game, he has an amazing view on both sides.)

Sure, Grunt and Garrus might complain you're going soft of Thane and Tali might mention you're a little cutthroat, but they still have your back.  The only time Sebastian draws the line in that one little scene in the end, and it's justified.

Anders and Fenris are great for certain playthroughs, and I love the irony that the rival-mances can give those two...but only half of the time.

randomcheeses wrote...

About the Serendipity thing - the devs have stated it's a bug. Tallis' 'awkward' comment is only supposed to be triggered if Hawke has previously slept with Serendipity at the Blooming Rose and Serendipity comments on that. However the bug causes the line to trigger automatically. It was an honest accident and the writer who wrote the scene apologised for the bug on the forums once it was brought to her attention.

It's still kind of awkward (and funny).  The man is awkward half of the time you meet him.  Like when you go to Ander's clinic and Anders warns Bran about going to the docks.

I bet Bran, Udina, and the Turian councilor all meet up in the Bioware breakroom and complain about everyone.  "Damn Hawke."  "Damn Shepard."

[rak72]

^ I just played through the part where Ser Varnell has the Qunari held captive. I played it very much like - Rawr, this is wrong, you must die NOW Varnell. I got +10 friend points from Seb for that. He doesn't blindly go along with whatever the chantry says, he just wants to do what he feels is right.

[LessThanKate]

Chignon wrote...

Chylise wrote...

I think "worth" is dependent on the person. I prefer romancing Sebastian over all the other LIs, even with his lack of romantic content. Even when I make a Hawke to romance Fenris/Anders, I still can't help but flirt with him. 

I have to agree with you. Even knowing what I do now, I still prefer him over Anders, Merrill and Fenris.

Sebastian and Isabela are always going to be my favourites.

I have to third this notion. I'm sure all the real romances (most of which I will get to...eventually) have their perks and...well, they'd have to more fulfilling, since there's actual content to be had. But there are parallels to Sebastian and Hawke that I enjoy, and I'm willing to wait it out. Still...moderately optimistic.

It's cool, Bioware. I'll wait.

rak72 wrote...

I just played through the part where Ser
Varnell has the Qunari held captive. I played it very much like -
Rawr, this is wrong, you must die NOW Varnell. I got +10 friend points
from Seb for that. He doesn't blindly go along with whatever the
chantry says, he just wants to do what he feels is right.

I faintly recall towards the end of Act II, I think during "To Catch a Thief", Sebastian will say the Qunari are heretics, but...something else. It's not worth the bloodshed, something like that. He doesn't like lying or hiding things, to be sure. That's why you get rivalry points if you give the Tome to Isabela.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 24 octobre 2011 - 01:27 .

[Jackalope]

So, I was bored, and doodled this...

fav.me/d4dft1q

I call it "Please Insert Disc 2"

Edited because it's...big...

Modifié par Jackalope, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:34 .

[Chignon]

Dragon Age 2: King of Spades  by `poetess

[Xilizhra]

So, what are the odds of a friended Sebastian really trying to retake Starkhaven?

[Jackalope]

Chignon wrote...



Dragon Age 2: King of Spades  by `poetess

Very clean lines!  Really nice.

[Knight of Dane]

Xilizhra wrote...

So, what are the odds of a friended Sebastian really trying to retake Starkhaven?

I'm actually not sure, i would assume he would go to Starkhaven anyway, since the kirkwall chantry has been destroyed, or he might stay and help rebuild it.

If he's married to Hawke i assume he's with her.

[Xilizhra]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So, what are the odds of a friended Sebastian really trying to retake Starkhaven?

I'm actually not sure, i would assume he would go to Starkhaven anyway, since the kirkwall chantry has been destroyed, or he might stay and help rebuild it.

If he's married to Hawke i assume he's with her.

It's a shame that I highly doubt he'll be useful to the mage revolution.

[Quething]

Friended yeah, I don't think he'd of optimal use to the revolution. If he married Hawke and Hawke is taking an active role, he would help the way he's always helped - having Hawke's back in combat - but without that I imagine he'd head for the nearest Chantry and join up with the flock, and quietly do what's asked of him there (probably help out with refugees and other war victims on both sides, since the Chantry actually seems to be aiming for neutrality in the war). If you don't kill Anders he'd likely go to Starkhaven first and fail to have a meaningful or effective plan for revenge and stew for a bit and be aimless and frustrated and hurt, but the end result would be the same IMO, just a little slower in getting there.

Rivaled, he could be quite effective in making Starkhaven live up to its name. You're not going to win him over to any "destroy the Chantry" sort of goal, but I can see Hawke convincing him to put military might behind strong reforms.

[Chignon]

Quething wrote...


Friended yeah, I don't think he'd of optimal use to the revolution. If he married Hawke and Hawke is taking an active role, he would help the way he's always helped - having Hawke's back in combat - but without that I imagine he'd head for the nearest Chantry and join up with the flock, and quietly do what's asked of him there (probably help out with refugees and other war victims on both sides, since the Chantry actually seems to be aiming for neutrality in the war). If you don't kill Anders he'd likely go to Starkhaven first and fail to have a meaningful or effective plan for revenge and stew for a bit and be aimless and frustrated and hurt, but the end result would be the same IMO, just a little slower in getting there.

Rivaled, he could be quite effective in making Starkhaven live up to its name. You're not going to win him over to any "destroy the Chantry" sort of goal, but I can see Hawke convincing him to put military might behind strong reforms.

Good post, Quething.  I agree with you on all accounts, especially the last part.

[Sylvanpyxie]

what are the odds of a friended Sebastian really trying to retake Starkhaven?

I like to think friendly, non-romance Sebastian, would end up sitting in a Chantry in bugger knows where, tending to refugees and such..

Years would pass and Starkhaven would begin to fail under the rule of the simple-minded fool that took the throne, and Sebastian would hear rumours of it's dwindling power. I like to think he'd beat himself up over it, looking to the Maker for further guidance and becoming angry when no guidance is given. Maybe forsaking his vows to the Chantry and attempting to heal the wounds to his city. Only to fail, and become outcast, dishonoured, left to die.

Only to end up wandering from city to city, tavern to tavern, a no named ex-Prince/Priest. Angry at the world and himself. Blaming the Maker for "misguiding" him causing the downfall of his city, drowning his sorrows and self loathing in drink, gambling, bar brawls and possibly women. Learning to relish the chaos of battle over the serenity of religious contemplation.

What can i say? I've never been a huge fan of happy endings, and i like bitter former-religious type characters.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 28 octobre 2011 - 05:13 .

[Gervaise]

I've only had Sebastian available for two run throughs and both times I ended up his friend, because we seem to have too many values in common - he likes it when you help people, are merciful, etc. My first run was with a female mage who ended up in a spiritual marriage with him and orginally we were going on a pilgrimage to the Divine to get a better deal for mages - but Tallis queered our pitch with Orlais so now I'm considering what they would do.

My other run was with a male rogue Hawke who eventually realised that Sebastian just isn't ruthless enough for Thedas politics but there might be some mileage in visiting Starkhaven and offering their services "advising" the current incumbant: Seb spiritual, Hawke spy master, Bethany magical and Fenris counter-intelligence in the alienage (which could come in useful bearing in mind that scroll).

Failing that Sebastian can become his "Friar Tuck" to my Hawke's Robin Hood of the Seas, Bethany can be maid Marian but with a thing for Tuck instead of Robin, Fenris is Wil Scarlet, who does have a thing for Robin and Isabella is, well, Isabella, who supplies the ship and enjoys herself with the rest of the "merry men". Will do a lot of foiling slavers and devoting a share of the spoils to widows and orphans, so Seb should be reasonably happy.

The idea that poor Sebastian ends up an embitted, impovished hermit, doesn't reflect too well on Hawke's friendship, so I guess your Hawkes don't see him as such. If they don't have a place for him, he might join the Grey Wardens, he did seem to really enjoy being up to his knees in darkspawn. Mind you, his ancestor ended up being prince by virtue of organising a peaceful coup against the then ruler of Starkhaven, so why shouldn't Sebastian do the same if the current ruler isn't any good?