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[xboxlivegamer]

I'm sorry but I couldn't finish watching that. He brings up some good points but seriously, a lot of the stuff he mentions borders on either too much, personal opinion or just plain idiotic. The concept of having to prepare your team by making them train in certain things is cool and so is the tech expert hacking for you. His other ideas on their own is cool too but once they start to add up they become too much and it either becomes a mess or a lot of micromanaging. He's on the right track though.

[Dionkey]

I think he brought up some great points, but he sounds like a overconfident child at many times. You can't fit all this in a game, some points were well made, but others sounded like one of those text games with enough content to last you for months, you can't do that with a full fledged game.

[Count Viceroy]

Oh look, it's him. Again.

[johannes1212]

Is it wrong that I agree with all his improvements 100%?

[Bourne Endeavor]

Dionkey wrote...

I think he brought up some great points, but he sounds like a overconfident child at many times. You can't fit all this in a game, some points were well made, but others sounded like one of those text games with enough content to last you for months, you can't do that with a full fledged game.

I would beg to differ to a certain extent. Dragon Age and Fallout had a plethora of content and is more convoluted than many of these suggestions. Then there are games such as Civilization, which offer an immense amount of micromanagement yet integrate them exceptionally well, or so I have heard. Furthermore, we must acknowledge what he has presented would replace existing content. Approximately half the cast of active characters were cut, and thereby allotting for different level design, extended character depth and exposition, elimination of inconsistency in the narrative or glaring retcons.

If even only his character and plot alterations were applied. The are superior to what exists simply because the characters are made relevant to the plot and our prior decisions from Mass Effect have a noticeable impact. In addition, it would be nice if the Alliance and Council did not continuously vie for the most inept and incompetent organization known to man.

I would rather have left Mass Effect in development for two years longer and seen something similar to smudboy's suggestion. Keep in mind I do not dislike ME2. I just feel it could be significantly better.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 20 mars 2011 - 07:46 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

johannes1212 wrote...

Is it wrong that I agree with all his improvements 100%?

No, not at all. In a way, I believe this is how ME2 should have been if it were to live up to its declared status as a direct sequel to ME1. But the wind tends to blow against a pirate's wish.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 20 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[johannes1212]

But seriously, is this guy a game designer by profession? The way he articulates his ideas, classifies each groups of improvements and utilizes visual icons to place emphasis makes some professional design presentations cry in shame. Props to this guy!

[CroGamer002]

squee913 wrote...

While I don't think ME2 plot needs fixing, the game would have been awesome with a lot of those features added! I think it would be too difficult to put all of that into one game, but I will say this, if Smud had the money and power, I think he would make a fantastic game! I would probably even spend the 300 dollars it would cost to buy something that complex.

It should be pointed out however, that creating his image of how ME2 should have been (as cool as that image was) does not make it better than Bioware's image of ME2

What?!
You enjoyed his video?

It's still not April 1st nor is apocalypse among us.

That's disturbing to know.
Now you will make me watch him.

Modifié par Mesina2, 20 mars 2011 - 08:31 .

[CroGamer002]

squee913 wrote...

TelexFerra wrote...

Hey squee, I'm watching your counter-arguments to his plot analysis videos.

Coolieos! Don't hesitate to give me thougts and opinons! Debates are whats makes the vids worth while! I have to say, I did enjoy these new vids of his. I never had a problem with the guy, and I feel he is an intellegent person. Just felt his arguemtns for why ME2 sucked were so ill-logical...

Until you start to disagree with him, he starts to swear and insult everyone who disagree with him.
That's why he got temp-ban few times and later got perma-banned.

[Kronner]

Mesina2 wrote...

What?!
You enjoyed his video?

It's still not April 1st nor is apocalypse among us.

That's disturbing to know.
Now you will make me watch him.

Not everyone is a troll like you. Your video response to his original video series was ROFL worthy.

[CroGamer002]

Kronner wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

What?!
You enjoyed his video?

It's still not April 1st nor is apocalypse among us.

That's disturbing to know.
Now you will make me watch him.

Not everyone is a troll like you. Your video response to his original video series was ROFL worthy.

A troll?
Do you even know what troll means?

[Kronner]

Mesina2 wrote...

A troll?
Do you even know what troll means?

Someone who does something like this:


Does it ring a bell for you?

[CroGamer002]

Kronner wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

A troll?
Do you even know what troll means?

Someone who does something like this:


Does it ring a bell for you?

So in that video I was going to see reaction of people?

Dude, that channel is pretty much dead do to strike on my account( Hitler Downfall Parody) and I made another.

True I could and should have made is much, much better but I still fail to see how am I a troll.

[Annie_Dear]

...I'm sorry, but how much spare time does he have?

He could have made his own "perfect" video game by now.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

This again? I'm gonna assume this contains the same arguments as last time.

No, I guess there are a few different ones.

You glossed over it this time, but the breather masks should be adequate for vacuums if you depressurize first, which would probably be done in the shuttle. Yes a helmet would be more realistic because it's more realiable and provides amor, but as long as it works, some license can be taken for aesthetics in a video game.

All the gun powers are stored in a... black box? ...A data recorder? A tranquilizer "bullet" might be cool, but if it travels fast enough to pass through a kinetic barrier and armor, it'd kill the person hit by it anyway, even if there's tranquilizer loaded into it. Maybe if their barriers had to be down before they took effect, AND their armor, AND you had to aim for weak points, that'd be pretty awesome. But the question is why? You're coming up with a tool for a completely new set of missions. That's a cool addition, but not a "fix."

Harbringer general is struggling with indoctrination... after 10,000 years? Eh, I don't think so. Usually a week or two is long enough to be put under complete control. You want to grip about plot holes...?

Logos should be decided by the player. But it makes perfect sense that Cerberus logos are everyhwere: they paid for everything. Besides, you are just assuming it's wel known that is the Cerberus logo. The best I've heard is that it is actually the logo for the ship's manufacturer, which is owned by Cerberus (but that info is kept on the D-L). And Shepard has still completed N7 training, so why not wear the N7 logo?

Hammerhead is tight, it's just a bit too lightly armored and most importantly, the hit detection is terrible. You really can avoid shots and yet still get hit by them somehow.

The seeker swarms are fine. Most military radars aren't set up beware of pests, I would think. The data could be wiped from the records by collector technicians later.

People already complain about getting locked out of certain choices for not making enough paragon/renegade choices, saying you can't play "paragade" or "renegon" effectively. Your plan would out them even more, not that I really stand up for them all that much.

Mordin's rewrite is unnecessariy. Combining two characters is unnecessary also. Jacob and Zaeed are both fine as-is. Jeese, it just gets worse and worse. This goes beyond egotistical. You've changed everything about the game's story and characters and say that's "how it should have been." This is even worse than I thought it'd be. I thought you'd just make ignorant statements that show you don't really understand some of the concepts you are talking about, and gameplay suggestions. But no, you are rewriting everything.and expecting a team of hundreds of go with it.

I do like some of the gameplay ideas, but most of them are really just "add more content," which clearly isn't an option. They already put their all into the game, you can't just  say "add more and assume that just because you changed the story radically, it would happen." IRL there is such a thing as limited resources.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 20 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[Whatever42]

I don't see how most of those are "fixes" but simply the game as he would have designed it. Some of the ideas are interesting but I'm not sure they would all mesh into a good game. He certainly prefers a different type of game than the Bioware designers. That's fine but I'll stick with my ME until I see what he produces.

It's clear Smud wants to be a game designer. He obviously has an abundance of passion and vision. I wish him luck in his career goals.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Mesina2 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

A troll?
Do you even know what troll means?

Someone who does something like this:


Does it ring a bell for you?

So in that video I was going to see reaction of people?

Dude, that channel is pretty much dead do to strike on my account( Hitler Downfall Parody) and I made another.

True I could and should have made is much, much better but I still fail to see how am I a troll.

You hosted a video for the sole intention to provoke and cause irritation. It was neither factual, well crafted nor warranted and did not refute any claims made. You merely presented your opinion as fact and in many instances attempted to justify gameplay elements as a rebuttal. Frankly, it was a disaster and the epitome of trolling. I would not mention it under any circumstances if I were you.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 20 mars 2011 - 09:26 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

The written scripts can be downloaded from here:

> Character Rewrite
> Plot Fixes

[GuardianAngel470]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

A troll?
Do you even know what troll means?

Someone who does something like this:


Does it ring a bell for you?

So in that video I was going to see reaction of people?

Dude, that channel is pretty much dead do to strike on my account( Hitler Downfall Parody) and I made another.

True I could and should have made is much, much better but I still fail to see how am I a troll.

You hosted a video for the sole intention to provoke and cause irritation. It was neither factual, well crafted nor warranted and did not refute any claims made. You merely presented your opinion as fact and in many instances attempted to justify gameplay elements as a rebuttal. Frankly, it was a disaster and the epitome of trolling. I would not mention it under any circumstances if I were you.

Bourne, I don't even agree with Mesina2's video but I still think you're wrong. YOUTUBE IS FOR SELF-CREATION. Mesina created a video that contained his honest opinions. I have seen him argue these on these forums for months. I don't agree with him, but they are his opinions.

Unlike Smudboy, he doesn't spam them at every conceivable opporunity and is, in fact, a fairly polite member of the forums.

There is nothing that says a person's opinion must be logical or well grounded but, just from the video, his are. The main character dying IS a major flaw in the storytelling of this game. Though his science needs some work (Absolute Zero doesn't actually exist in space and Miranda said subzero thus using Celcius or Farenheit) his points make sense.

Also, even if an opinion IS stupid and illogical that doesn't make it a troll post. As the old addage goes, never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

[CroGamer002]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

You hosted a video for the sole intention to provoke and cause irritation. It was neither factual, well crafted nor warranted and did not refute any claims made. You merely presented your opinion as fact and in many instances attempted to justify gameplay elements as a rebuttal. Frankly, it was a disaster and the epitome of trolling. I would not mention it under any circumstances if I were you.

Not denying it isn't very good after I watch it again.
I should done way better job and make swearing at the minimum.


But I defiantly DID NOT went to provoke and cause irritation.

Modifié par Mesina2, 20 mars 2011 - 09:49 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

A troll?
Do you even know what troll means?

Someone who does something like this:


Does it ring a bell for you?

So in that video I was going to see reaction of people?

Dude, that channel is pretty much dead do to strike on my account( Hitler Downfall Parody) and I made another.

True I could and should have made is much, much better but I still fail to see how am I a troll.

You hosted a video for the sole intention to provoke and cause irritation. It was neither factual, well crafted nor warranted and did not refute any claims made. You merely presented your opinion as fact and in many instances attempted to justify gameplay elements as a rebuttal. Frankly, it was a disaster and the epitome of trolling. I would not mention it under any circumstances if I were you.

Bourne, I don't even agree with Mesina2's video but I still think you're wrong. YOUTUBE IS FOR SELF-CREATION. Mesina created a video that contained his honest opinions. I have seen him argue these on these forums for months. I don't agree with him, but they are his opinions.

Unlike Smudboy, he doesn't spam them at every conceivable opporunity and is, in fact, a fairly polite member of the forums.

There is nothing that says a person's opinion must be logical or well grounded but, just from the video, his are. The main character dying IS a major flaw in the storytelling of this game. Though his science needs some work (Absolute Zero doesn't actually exist in space and Miranda said subzero thus using Celcius or Farenheit) his points make sense.

Also, even if an opinion IS stupid and illogical that doesn't make it a troll post. As the old addage goes, never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

It is not the content of his video that equates to trolling but the manner by which it is presented. The entire series is an attempt to 'smugly' mock smudboy with instances where he directly attacks him. Likewise, the majority does not actually refute what smudboy put forth. I may disagree mostly with Squee's counterargument to smudboy but his approach was respectful and challenged his claims. Mesina accomplished neither, hence why he received heavy criticism. Being polite on the forums is irrelevant, unless you mean to insinuate the videos were simply a moment of poor judgment.

[squee913]

Yeesh! Why is everyone always so negative on these forums? Mesina2 makes a simple comment about what I said surprising him and people start shooting him down for being a troll? He saw Sumd's videos, did not agree with them, and made a video trying to argue the point. Whether or not is was a good attempt has nothing to do with the motivations behind it. So, is smud a troll for make a video stating why he thought ME2's plot was bad? Am I a troll for making a video to rebuttal it? You could say that both of us made our videos to provoke a response. Under that definition, you could claim that anyone on this forum who ever wrote a post in an attempt to refute someone else is a troll. I don't see why it should matter anyway. When I first posted my Video and found that someone had posted it here, I saw that the first 2 pages were nothing but Smud sucks or, you suck for saying he sucks. It made me sad. Where is the love people? 

[ReiSilver]

I like it mostly, but some of the character 'fixes' strike me as leaning too far in personal character preferences. For example Smudboy is REALLY into Samara, that much is obvious, but what he basically does in his 'fix' is take a character that was completely peripheral, maybe even more so then Kasumi (Grey box has some alliance secret info) and makes her even more tightly bound to Shepard and shoe horns her into being important. In ME2 she's really just a powerful biotic who is also a mother. Now just because he likes some of the possibilities of her personality in ME2 and has wild theories left over from before the game came out he wants to ditch Thane and have her move into a pivotal role. I could do the same with any other character.
Garrus could just as easily become hugely important with a few tweaks. In ME1 he was established as having a mentor/student relationship with Shepard, because of this Garrus could easily become a reflection or foil to Shepard, trying to carry on their ideals after they go MIA and continue their work in his own way. He's the only turian we've ever seen Shepard working with (who is still alive) and there has been wild theories about just how important his father was. He could easily have become a spectre to fill the gap left by Shepard and Sarren giving him a lot of resources. He's also become a great leader like his mentor and in smudboy's ME2 could be vitally important as someone you need to lead secondary teams or someone Shepard can talk to on a deeper level (no mind control head wear required)

[GuardianAngel470]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

A troll?
Do you even know what troll means?

Someone who does something like this:


Does it ring a bell for you?

So in that video I was going to see reaction of people?

Dude, that channel is pretty much dead do to strike on my account( Hitler Downfall Parody) and I made another.

True I could and should have made is much, much better but I still fail to see how am I a troll.

You hosted a video for the sole intention to provoke and cause irritation. It was neither factual, well crafted nor warranted and did not refute any claims made. You merely presented your opinion as fact and in many instances attempted to justify gameplay elements as a rebuttal. Frankly, it was a disaster and the epitome of trolling. I would not mention it under any circumstances if I were you.

Bourne, I don't even agree with Mesina2's video but I still think you're wrong. YOUTUBE IS FOR SELF-CREATION. Mesina created a video that contained his honest opinions. I have seen him argue these on these forums for months. I don't agree with him, but they are his opinions.

Unlike Smudboy, he doesn't spam them at every conceivable opporunity and is, in fact, a fairly polite member of the forums.

There is nothing that says a person's opinion must be logical or well grounded but, just from the video, his are. The main character dying IS a major flaw in the storytelling of this game. Though his science needs some work (Absolute Zero doesn't actually exist in space and Miranda said subzero thus using Celcius or Farenheit) his points make sense.

Also, even if an opinion IS stupid and illogical that doesn't make it a troll post. As the old addage goes, never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

It is not the content of his video that equates to trolling but the manner by which it is presented. The entire series is an attempt to 'smugly' mock smudboy with instances where he directly attacks him. Likewise, the majority does not actually refute what smudboy put forth. I may disagree mostly with Squee's counterargument to smudboy but his approach was respectful and challenged his claims. Mesina accomplished neither, hence why he received heavy criticism. Being polite on the forums is irrelevant, unless you mean to insinuate the videos were simply a moment of poor judgment.

Again, the addage goes, NEVER ATTRIBUTE TO MALICE THAT WHICH CAN BE EXPLAINED BY STUPIDITY.

I can't even tell you the number of posts I regret posting on these forums because they were poorly thought out. Heck, just talk to the Liara fans about me. I still feel embarrased about that one when I think about it; no matter how much I agree with my intentions my execution was terrible.

Mesina2 may have used a pretty bad title and he may have made jabs at Smudboy but since I haven't seen any of Smudboy's videos I can give you an unbiased assessment:

His jabs were subtle enough that I didn't notice them. You may have seen a connection between the two topics but I didn't. He never said "Smudboy is an idiot for thinking like he does" in his video. Thus it wasn't specifically designed to incite.

Rather, to me it comes across like a guy trying to put his own ideas out there and express his own opinion. His feelings about another video may have come out once or twice but that's all. It happens; it's human.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 20 mars 2011 - 10:12 .

[CroGamer002]

squee913 wrote...

Yeesh! Why is everyone always so negative on these forums? Mesina2 makes a simple comment about what I said surprising him and people start shooting him down for being a troll? He saw Sumd's videos, did not agree with them, and made a video trying to argue the point. Whether or not is was a good attempt has nothing to do with the motivations behind it. So, is smud a troll for make a video stating why he thought ME2's plot was bad? Am I a troll for making a video to rebuttal it? You could say that both of us made our videos to provoke a response. Under that definition, you could claim that anyone on this forum who ever wrote a post in an attempt to refute someone else is a troll. I don't see why it should matter anyway. When I first posted my Video and found that someone had posted it here, I saw that the first 2 pages were nothing but Smud sucks or, you suck for saying he sucks. It made me sad. Where is the love people? 

lol

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