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[Phaedon]

Admiral Steven Hackett

]ME Wiki wrote...
Admiral Steven Hackett is a top-ranking official of the Alliance Navy and commanding officer of the Fifth Fleet. He is based at Arcturus Station.On relatively equal political status with both Ambassador Udina and Captain Anderson, Hackett was one of the three officers who recommended Commander Shepard as the first human Spectre. During the mission to track down Saren Arterius, Hackett frequently contacts Shepard with key assignments, especially those vital to theSystems Alliance security, and is generally more accepting of Shepard's decisions than Udina.Admiral Hackett is voiced by Lance Henriksen.

Jack Harper, also known as the Illusive Man

ME Wiki wrote...
The Illusive Man is the elusive, secretive, and well informed leader of Cerberus. He has close-cropped silver-grey hair with "steely blue" eyes which appear to be prosthetic. The Illusive Man's real name and his life before Cerberus are both long forgotten. For years, the Illusive Man has been using Cerberus and his immense network of contacts to achieve his goal - that of making humanity ascendant above all otherraces. He is described as having the best and worst traits of humanity rolled into one man.The Illusive Man is voiced by Martin Sheen.

The roles
Admiral Hackett is one of the top-ranking officials in the Alliance, lead the Alliance during the Battle of the Citadel, helped Shepard becoming a Spectre, assigned various duties to him during ME1, and kept him safe from a part of the Alliance which wanted to apprehend him during ME2.

TIM is the leader of the pro-human group, Cerberus. He funded the Lazarus Project, rebuilt the Normandy and recruited Shepard in the fight against the Collectors. He seems to have some knowledge concerning the Reapers himself, and has given the order for several illegal Cerberus projects.

The voices
Admiral Hackett is voiced by Lance Henriksen, known for Aliens,Terminator and Alien vs Predator.

TIM is voiced by Martin Sheen, known for Apocalypse Now, The Departed, and the West Wing. 

The faces
Determined and focused, Hackett's face bears enough evidence of his earlier action-packed life.

TIM is emotionless but focused on his target as well, the perfect businessman.

The morality
Hackett's morality appears to be paragon, or at least paragade, as can be observed from his ME1 dialogue on the choices you make.

Ruthless and of very questionable morality, TIM is an obvious renegade.

The thoughts on the other side
Hackett despises renegades. That can be seen in his cold responses to Shepard's renegade dialogue choices, Shepard's full renegade-only mission and the fact that he orders no arrests to be made when the flame of the Shepard Memorial Torch is extinguished, if you make renegade choices in ME1.

The power
Hackett is one of the top-ranking officials in the Alliance, and he has great influence in all things concerning it.

TIM, although took a very serious blow from the Turian Hierarchy in Retribution, has the assets to rebuild Cerberus from scratch.

Discuss, do you agree with me? Do you think that ME3 will feature a moral conflict, concerning these two men? Will you choose siding with the Alliance or Cerberus? Which one do you think that is more likely to be an antagonist in ME3?

Modifié par Phaedon, 19 mars 2011 - 07:23 .

[Ty2011]

I understand the focus on Hackett due to his upcoming roll in Arrival, but I think I'd go with Anderson VS Tim. It makes more sense to me. Still.. interesting points.

[CroGamer002]

I really want 3rd option to be independent but now Admiral Hackett will change my mind on that, I think.

[DocGriffin]

Anyone think the interaction with Hackett won't go great if you sided with Cerberus?

And for people like me who destroyed the base, maybe a chance to officially reunite with the Alliance?



EDIT: Oh I suppose that's what the OP is asking, sorry OP

Modifié par DocGriffin, 19 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[Dionkey]

I totally agree. Hackett is the only human that has any bearing in the ME Universe at this point considering the councilor is only a piece in a set of 4 while Hackett is the leader of the muscle, he has the final word. The point of ME3 is the struggle for Earth, whether it be the reapers or beyond. TIM's methods will certainly be put to question by the Alliance and you will have to choose eventually, at least thats my thoughts.

[Bad King]

I don't like the Alliance much but Hackett seems to be a good man. He allowed Shepard to contiune his operations when many inept Alliance officials wanted to capture and interrogate him. If it wasn't for Hackett perhaps there would be no human colonies left!

Hopefully neither man will be an antagonist- it would be an epic fail if humanity started infighting during a Reaper invasion.

Modifié par Bad King, 19 mars 2011 - 07:39 .

[Phaedon]

Ty2011 wrote...

I understand the focus on Hackett due to his upcoming roll in Arrival, but I think I'd go with Anderson VS Tim. It makes more sense to me. Still.. interesting points.

To be quite honest, I don't think that Anderson's morality is as strong in his personality as Hackett's. He seems to be quite a passive person anyway, although he did attack Cerberus, he didn't have any strong emotions against them, he did for Kahlee Sanders. After all, he didn't kill Kai Leng on the spot.

I don't think that our poor assasin would be as lucky if Hackett was there.

[Zulu_DFA]

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 mars 2011 - 07:48 .

[johnbonhamatron]

Good analysis, phaedon!

In a meta sense, I tend to think that they wouldn't get a big name like Henriksen just for a DLC, and it's not too unreasonable to assume they'd be doing the voice recording for ME3 while they were recording the voice work for Arrival.

Based on that, and what you said above, I'm reeeeeeeeeally hoping to see Hackett vs TIM being a nice, central moral conflict in the final game.

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests you in the end of the Arrival DLC.

Played the mission and I only got pissed by some drug dealing douchebag.

And Admiral is renegade and not paragade because?

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

You realize that it's pretty much the other way around?
He treats Shepard like sh*t, because that's what he thinks that he is. A full renegade.

[Ahriman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

Is that mission about Asteroid with eezero? Very informative mission actually. But no, he isn't renegade in it's usual meaning. Strategist, psychologist, military. Very effective combination if you want to solve some problem.
P.s Don't let shine of alliance uniform to blind you.

[Phaedon]

After all, what he did was paragon. Negotiating with a drug dealer and giving him a legal shield? "You won't get charged if you stop attacking people". That's paragon? I think not.

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

You realize that it's pretty much the other way around?
He treats Shepard like sh*t, because that's what he thinks that he is. A full renegade.

Does TIM treat Shepard like sh*t? Nope. "You're unique," "You're a natural leader," "I have full confidence your abilities," "I envy you..." and then sends him to places that need to be smashed. Just like Hackett, really.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 mars 2011 - 08:14 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Hackett arresting Shepard at the end of Arrival... sounds interesting, Zulu!

[jojon2se]

I'm fearing Hackett, due to cliche' complaisance, is likely to be the one to make "the ultimate sacrifice" in The Arrival and therefore won't be in ME3 either way.
It always happens: the old veteran, who is the hero's only friend with any influence and who keeps the bureaucrats off him goes: "You go on ahead, son, I'll stay behind and activate the McGuffin/hold the bastards back to buy you time".

Hopefully not, though.

[Zulu_DFA]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Hackett arresting Shepard at the end of Arrival... sounds interesting, Zulu!

If that happens, I'll make a small semi-humorous theory. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

[Annihilator27]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Hackett arresting Shepard at the end of Arrival... sounds interesting, Zulu!

If that happens, I'll make a small semi-humorous theory.

He's going to hand him over to the Batarians.

[Bad King]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

Agreed, he does whatever it takes to protect the Alliance's interests. I wouldn't put him as far as being an uber-renegade, but he's certainly not a goody goody clear cut paragon.

Modifié par Bad King, 19 mars 2011 - 08:46 .

[CroGamer002]

Bad King wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

Agreed, he does whatever it takes to protect the Alliance's interests. I wouldn't put him as far as being an uber-renegade, but he's certainly not a goody goody clear cut paragon.

When on Earth does Admiral Hackett say to you kill those guys?!

[Bad King]

Mesina2 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

Agreed, he does whatever it takes to protect the Alliance's interests. I wouldn't put him as far as being an uber-renegade, but he's certainly not a goody goody clear cut paragon.

When on Earth does Admiral Hackett say to you kill those guys?!

After you finish the mission he tells you that he's glad you killed Darius but claims that he could not officially condone you killing him.

Check here: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/UNC:_The_Negotiation

Modifié par Bad King, 19 mars 2011 - 09:21 .

[Legion 2.5]

I would laugh if they are related. Maybe brothers? Hackett is the older and more alliance brother while The Illusive Man (Jack Harper in Evolution) disagrees with him and aliens and forms cerberus.

[Bad King]

scyphozoa wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if Hackett and TIM saw eye to eye on some things. They are approximately the same age, saw the First Contact war first hand and both served the Alliance. I wouldn't be surprised if Hackett privately supports Cerberus. Cerberus was a black-ops Alliance team, so I wouldn't be surprised if Hackett even had his fingers in a few Cerberus pies.

Well he did prevent Shepard's arrest while Shepard was working for Cerberus. You can interpret that either as a personal action highlighting Hackett's trust of Shepard, or Hackett secretly being in league with Cerberus.

[Kane-Corr]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

Well...sometimes you can be tooooo radical in your theories Zulu haha. And, Hackett really isn't an "uber renegade".  First off...an uber renegade wouldn't thank people, or try to keep the peace in certain settings...or wouldn't stand up for Shepard when he joined Cerberus...so, your making claims that are a tiny bit off based or...rather, a tiny bit exaggerated.