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#51
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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Admiral Steven Hackett
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I assume that a Bioware rep posted this and I missed it, but has it been confirmed that this ^ pic is indeed Admiral Hackett, and that Admiral Hackett does indeed make an appearance in the DLC?




Chris said that's him.

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Ok, thanks Messina.

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TIM needs a kick in the face and all his credits confiscated so that he can get in touch with his soul again.

its easy to think your a demigod when you have too much money and zero moral judgment.

in short TIMMY needs a lesson in humility

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It seems like both Hackett and TIMmy likes to make their own rules and have their own hidden agendas. The difference is that Hackett works within the system that supports the powers that be (well usualy) and TIMmy has isolated himself from it.

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I prefer TIM.Unlike Hackett,he is ready to do what is necessary,even if it's morally questionable

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

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Yep. It's pretty much the story of Saddam and the NeoCon America. They supported him to counterbalance Iran in the region, and to sabotage the oil prices to screw up the Soviet Union. Then the Soviet Union got screwed and Saddam got greedy, attacked Kuwait and whatnot. So they squashed him but not completely. Kept him around for "just in case". Finally he outlived his usefulness, got toppled and hanged.

But the Alliance never had a deal with Sa-um Darius, that's the whole point of negotiating in the first place.

So, supplying arms to somebody isn't now counted as having a deal? Interesting. I guess the Alliance paid tribute to Darrius then...

UNC: The Negotiation

???

All seems to indicate that they have never negotiated with Darius before?

Ghost Warrior wrote...

I prefer TIM.Unlike Hackett,he is ready to do what is necessary,even if it's morally questionable

Well the problem is, most things TIM does, are about making Cerberus more powerful, not defeating the Reapers, so they are definitely not necessary.

If I killed Udina and became an ambassador would I be cooler because I do everything necessary for me becoming an Ambassador?

Modifié par Phaedon, 20 mars 2011 - 07:05 .


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How about some posting on this thread?

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Almostfaceman wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.


Been there, done that.  Shepard's renegade attitude obviously offends Hackett since he rubs it in Shepards' face.

Shepard: You used me!
Hackett: Did you think you're the only one who can bend the rules?


Hackett is obviously no full-blown Renegade, he requests several times in several missions that you save human lives if at all possible and he smooches your butt when you do Paragon stuff.  He's an Admiral for Christ's sake.  In a modern military, you can't be flyin' solo and be an Admiral.  You'll have shown repeatedly that you're a team player who works within the rules and is politically savvy. Like Jacob says, the Alliance is always on the lookout for people who rock the boat.  The renegade is clearly modeled after someone like Riddick in the Pitch Black series - a loner who works with people only when he has to, a person with little patience who gets the job done but doesn't make friends along the way.


I  laughed so hard when I played my renegade playthrough in ME1.  I  was sort of ticked I got used but at the same time I  was thinking, "Well played Admiral."


:devil:

As for Hackett being a Renegade, no freakin' way.  He's too complimentary of all my Paragon Sheps for getting missions done without losing any hostages and such.  The man shows too much appreciation for getting the job done in the most moral and ethical way possible to be a renegade.  There was one mission where I  didn't lose any hostages and I  replied, "Just doing my job" and the Admiral expresses he wishes he had more officers who shared my definition of "just doing my job"... or something like that.

Hackett is a Paragade at worst. 

Modifié par Yakko77, 21 mars 2011 - 07:00 .


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Anyway, as I said, the Alliance didn't have any deal with Darius.

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Phaedon wrote...

Anyway, as I said, the Alliance didn't have any deal with Darius.


Of course it didn't. Just like the Alliance never had anything to do with Cerberus, or the Corsairs, of the BAaT, or any other stuff they outsourced to go rogue. Nevermind they'd gone rogue themselves when they kicked the Turian butt at Shanxi without the earthworms' permission.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...
Of course it didn't. Just like the Alliance never had anything to do with Cerberus, or the Corsairs, of the BAaT, or any other stuff they outsourced to go rogue. Nevermind they'd gone rogue themselves when they kicked the Turian butt at Shanxi without the earthworms' approval.

Keep your theories to your threads, if you don't have facts, then don't even bother.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Anyway, as I said, the Alliance didn't have any deal with Darius.


Of course it didn't. Just like the Alliance never had anything to do with Cerberus, or the Corsairs, of the BAaT, or any other stuff they outsourced to go rogue. Nevermind they'd gone rogue themselves when they kicked the Turian butt at Shanxi without the earthworms' permission.


You mean apart from the fact that Cerberus was part of the Alliance at some point?

Taken directly from the wiki: 'Cerberus was in fact a rogue black ops group that broke away from the Alliance.'

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Phaedon wrote...

Keep your theories to your threads, if you don't have facts, then don't even bother.

But I do! Nothing but facts in my last post!

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Keep your theories to your threads, if you don't have facts, then don't even bother.

But I do! Nothing but facts in my last post!


Aren't you the guy who made a thread about how Cerberus is part of the Alliance still?

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Yakko77 wrote...
As for Hackett being a Renegade, no freakin' way.  He's too complimentary of all my Paragon Sheps for getting missions done without losing any hostages and such.  The man shows too much appreciation for getting the job done in the most moral and ethical way possible to be a renegade.  There was one mission where I  didn't lose any hostages and I  replied, "Just doing my job" and the Admiral expresses he wishes he had more officers who shared my definition of "just doing my job"... or something like that.

And that's why he isn't just glad you finish missions in a paragon way because they tend to be less messy.

candidate88766 wrote...
Aren't you the guy who made a thread about how Cerberus is part of the Alliance still?

Just ignore him.

Modifié par Phaedon, 21 mars 2011 - 07:32 .


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Jack Harper is TIM, I wish people would stop pretending he wasn''t

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candidate88766 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Keep your theories to your threads, if you don't have facts, then don't even bother.

But I do! Nothing but facts in my last post!

Aren't you the guy who made a thread about how Cerberus is part of the Alliance still?

Yes I am.

But you seem to be missing the point of the debate. Phaedon disputes that Lord Darrius had had any deal with the Alliance, and I'm pointing out that absense of a paper trail doesn't indicate the absense of a deal.

Lord Darrius clearly had ben one of Alliance's "shadow projects", as he unequivocally hinted during the "negotiation", and that wasn't even denied by Hackett when you called him out on it.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 mars 2011 - 07:48 .


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Cerberus is separate from the allaince, get over it dude.

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NKKKK wrote...

Jack Harper is TIM, I wish people would stop pretending he wasn''t

Tell that to the Mass Effect Wiki morons.


NKKKK wrote...

Cerberus is separate from the allaince, get over it dude.

Technically the Communist Party was separate from the state of the Soviet Union. Can you believe that?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 mars 2011 - 07:54 .


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NKKKK wrote...

Cerberus is separate from the allaince, get over it dude.

Dunno, it's pretty obvious that the point of negotiating with someone extorting you is obviously the fact that you already have a deal with him. Even though you need to negotiate in the first place to make a deal, and that person is angry to see that you sent a representative. :P

/sarcasm

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Phaedon wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

I prefer TIM.Unlike Hackett,he is ready to do what is necessary,even if it's morally questionable

Well the problem is, most things TIM does, are about making Cerberus more powerful, not defeating the Reapers, so they are definitely not necessary.

If I killed Udina and became an ambassador would I be cooler because I do everything necessary for me becoming an Ambassador?

Some might think so I suspect. In any case it doesn't work very well for TIMmy and Cerberus as they have managed to make themselves enemies with everyone. And having only enemies may make you look like a cool bully in some peoples eyes but it does also make you very weak.

Hackett on the other hand are allied or neutral to everyone. Except for small, isolated fringe groups like Cerberus, but then again so is everyone. This is because galactic stability and cooperation (<- always the winning strategy in the longer run) is his main agenda, something TIMmy couldn't care less about judging from his actions and conversations with Shepard.

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Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think, someone needs to go back to ME1 and play through the "UNC: Negotiation" mission. It'll help them realize that Hackett is, in fact, an uber-renegade (as any man in his position should be), and just as manipulative as TIM, and generally wake up. Maybe it will then come as less of a surprize when Hackett arrests them in the end of the Arrival DLC.

You realize that it's pretty much the other way around?
He treats Shepard like sh*t, because that's what he thinks that he is. A full renegade.


No, that's not really how it goes. Hackett is totally renegade. He sounds mad if you swallow your pride and go through with the negotiations, because the Alliance sent you under the pretense of negotiation but really expected (and indeed wanted) you to kill the warlord. If you negotiate with him and make concessions, Hackett is actually rather angry with you for defying their expectations.

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Mad? Might have to do with the Renegade Shepard proving useless and setting a deal with outrageous demands, something which you will notice that Hackett doesn't want. That was the point of sending Renegade Shepard and not any other Shepard...

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Mad? I remember good ol admirable (See what I did there) Hack being pleasantly surprised at renegade sheps ability to negotiate the deal.

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Phaedon wrote...

Mad? Might have to do with the Renegade Shepard proving useless and setting a deal with outrageous demands, something which you will notice that Hackett doesn't want. That was the point of sending Renegade Shepard and not any other Shepard...


Thus, he's ruthless. He sends you there under false pretense of negotiation because he expects you to snap and kill the guy. The fact that he didn't send you with orders to assassinate the man shows Hackett's Machiavellian tendencies. That could get back to the Alliance brass and create controversy, whereas its easier to pin the actions on a power mad Spectre who was sent with orders to do something else.